2015 Ohio Highschool Football Season
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I don't have a problem with the Divisions, I just don't like how a lot of the bigger programs have jumped or been kicked from one league to another. Then there are the programs who are still playing teams from the leagues they use to be in and it just seems like by the time schools start fitting into where they belong it all changes again. Instead of classifying divisions, more effort should be in structuring leagues for long term competitiveness.
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I don't have a problem with the Divisions, I just don't like how a lot of the bigger programs have jumped or been kicked from one league to another. Then there are the programs who are still playing teams from the leagues they use to be in and it just seems like by the time schools start fitting into where they belong it all changes again. Instead of classifying divisions, more effort should be in structuring leagues for long term competitiveness.
I don't have a problem with the Divisions, I just don't like how a lot of the bigger programs have jumped or been kicked from one league to another. Then there are the programs who are still playing teams from the leagues they use to be in and it just seems like by the time schools start fitting into where they belong it all changes again. Instead of classifying divisions, more effort should be in structuring leagues for long term competitiveness.
Well, yep, that has happened with the league that the school my wife works at (and kids went to) is in. The Suburban League. Just this year, big changes have been made. Two schools, Green and Cloverleaf out.....and like 8 new schools in. Plus they went to a division format. Plus, they put Wadsworth in the division where all the schools are furthest away.....instead of being in the division with Barberton/Copley/Revere/Highland they are in with Stow/Aurora/Twinsburg/Brecksville/Nordonia.....ridiculous.
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Hoban and St. V may be the best teams around......each are D-III though.....but have beat up on their schedule of many D-1 schools.
And SVSM's only loss is to Hoban.
But, still 7 divisions are too many. I wouldn't mind if they went back to 3....or 4 at most.
But, still 7 divisions are too many. I wouldn't mind if they went back to 3....or 4 at most.
Why is 7 divisions too many? OHSAA realized that school sizes across the board were declining and added the DIvision's 6 and 7, because of smaller and smaller schools.
And does 7 divisions take away from the other divisions? Really?
Returning to three or four divisions would be "fair" (I know, no such thing) if small rural schools had some kind of forced consolidation. Some of these Division 7 schools have class sizes of 30 to 40 kids (girls and boys) combined.
My school/my children's school might be faced with not having a team next year - When my son and his class graduates this year, there will be a whopping thirteen boys left from this years JV and Varsity programs. And the 8th grade had to be combined with the 7th grade squad this year so maybe five to eight kids that played junior high ball will play high school ball.
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But, still 7 divisions are too many. I wouldn't mind if they went back to 3....or 4 at most.
Why is 7 divisions too many? OHSAA realized that school sizes across the board were declining and added the DIvision's 6 and 7, because of smaller and smaller schools.
And does 7 divisions take away from the other divisions? Really?
Returning to three or four divisions would be "fair" (I know, no such thing) if small rural schools had some kind of forced consolidation. Some of these Division 7 schools have class sizes of 30 to 40 kids (girls and boys) combined.
My school/my children's school might be faced with not having a team next year - When my son and his class graduates this year, there will be a whopping thirteen boys left from this years JV and Varsity programs. And the 8th grade had to be combined with the 7th grade squad this year so maybe five to eight kids that played junior high ball will play high school ball.
Why is 7 divisions too many? OHSAA realized that school sizes across the board were declining and added the DIvision's 6 and 7, because of smaller and smaller schools.
And does 7 divisions take away from the other divisions? Really?
Returning to three or four divisions would be "fair" (I know, no such thing) if small rural schools had some kind of forced consolidation. Some of these Division 7 schools have class sizes of 30 to 40 kids (girls and boys) combined.
My school/my children's school might be faced with not having a team next year - When my son and his class graduates this year, there will be a whopping thirteen boys left from this years JV and Varsity programs. And the 8th grade had to be combined with the 7th grade squad this year so maybe five to eight kids that played junior high ball will play high school ball.
Having 7 divisions smacks to me of it being basically a "participation trophy" for those smaller schools. Like I said, I think 4 divisions would suffice.
But....of course....you know it is all about money. The OHSAA gets the money from the gate fees of all those games.
Sure, it then divvies it out to the schools....but it keeps a fair portion of it.
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Unofficial Ohio High School Football D1, Region 1 playoff seeds:
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Mentor losing to Elyria (6-4) and Berea-Midpark losing to Westlake (3-7) in Week #10 ... ouch!
My Playoff Bitch:
Stow (2nd Seed) & Berea-Midpark (#15 seed) play a full schedule against D2 schools and get in. Stow played only TWO D1 schools and they had a combined record of (3-17), meanwhile Berea-Midpark played ONE D1 School with a record of (1-9) ... these two (Berea-Midpark @ Stow) will face each other in Round #1, so one of them will advance to second round, meanwhile St. Ignatius who could beat 15 of the 16 teams in the playoffs, is left out because of their (hard) schedule.
Let's just move on to the Championship, St Edwards takes Region-1 without breaking a sweat. My guess is that Ed's will face Westerville Central or Euclid face them in the semi's.
I hate to make such predictions against my Mentor Cardinals, but I'm not sure they get past Glen Oak in Round #1 ... at least it is at Mentor where they have been nearly flawless for a decade ... errr ... until last Friday against Elyria.
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Mentor losing to Elyria (6-4) and Berea-Midpark losing to Westlake (3-7) in Week #10 ... ouch!
My Playoff Bitch:
Stow (2nd Seed) & Berea-Midpark (#15 seed) play a full schedule against D2 schools and get in. Stow played only TWO D1 schools and they had a combined record of (3-17), meanwhile Berea-Midpark played ONE D1 School with a record of (1-9) ... these two (Berea-Midpark @ Stow) will face each other in Round #1, so one of them will advance to second round, meanwhile St. Ignatius who could beat 15 of the 16 teams in the playoffs, is left out because of their (hard) schedule.
Let's just move on to the Championship, St Edwards takes Region-1 without breaking a sweat. My guess is that Ed's will face Westerville Central or Euclid face them in the semi's.
I hate to make such predictions against my Mentor Cardinals, but I'm not sure they get past Glen Oak in Round #1 ... at least it is at Mentor where they have been nearly flawless for a decade ... errr ... until last Friday against Elyria.
Mentor losing to Elyria (6-4) and Berea-Midpark losing to Westlake (3-7) in Week #10 ... ouch!
My Playoff Bitch:
Stow (2nd Seed) & Berea-Midpark (#15 seed) play a full schedule against D2 schools and get in. Stow played only TWO D1 schools and they had a combined record of (3-17), meanwhile Berea-Midpark played ONE D1 School with a record of (1-9) ... these two (Berea-Midpark @ Stow) will face each other in Round #1, so one of them will advance to second round, meanwhile St. Ignatius who could beat 15 of the 16 teams in the playoffs, is left out because of their (hard) schedule.
Let's just move on to the Championship, St Edwards takes Region-1 without breaking a sweat. My guess is that Ed's will face Westerville Central or Euclid face them in the semi's.
I hate to make such predictions against my Mentor Cardinals, but I'm not sure they get past Glen Oak in Round #1 ... at least it is at Mentor where they have been nearly flawless for a decade ... errr ... until last Friday against Elyria.
Stow may beat them all. That is my point about the divisions. Your complaint is that Stow plays mostly D-2 schools as their league is made of mostly D-2 schools. I say that there is a sliver of difference between a D-2 school and a D-1 school.
And no one told Ignatius they had to play a "hard" schedule. Maybe they should just play a schedule consisting of the other parochial schools around NE Ohio. What would be wrong with that?
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Here are the largest public High schools in Ohio:
https://k12.niche.com/rankings/public-high-schools/largest-enrollment/s/ohio/
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Stow is last years Hudson.
Was really surprised Berea lost to Westlake, there is word of some internal issues in Berea...
St Edward is the favorite but everyone is dangerous in the playoffs. St. Edward vs. Wayne in the title game. Colerain is a very good team but like Wayne they haven't stepped out of there comfort zone a lot, as far as opponents go.
As far as scheduling for a St. Ig. or St. Edward teams will not schedule them. The playoff system does not reward you for losing to good teams. Props to Mentor for adding eds and st x though in the next couple years.
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But, for purposes of the OHSAA, the following school have the highest enrollment of males:
1. Mason HS: 1350
2. St. Xavier: 1217
3. St. Ignatius: 1170
4. Fairfield: 1104
5. Centerville: 1071
6. Canton McKinley & Timken: 1056 (not sure why they are combined)
7. Lakota East: 989
8. Mentor: 960
9. Hamilton: 950
10. Cincinnati Oak Hills 932
.....Strongsville 931
11. Beavercreek 923
12. Kettering Fairmount 889
13. Gahanna Lincoln: 868
14. Brunswick: 859
.....Huber Heights Wayne 857
15. Berea-Midpark: 845
16. Lakota West: 834
17. Reynoldsburg: 827
18. Toledo Whitmer: 804
19. Medina: 798
20. Springfield: 777
21. Elyria: 769
22. Grove City: 760
23. Olentangy Liberty: 757
.....Pickerington North: 757
24. Colerain: 741
.....Hilliard Davidson 734
.....Middletown 734
25. Dublin Coffman: 730
26. St. Edward: 721
27. Shaker Hts.: 720
28. Euclid: 719
29. Rhodes: 717
30. Lancaster: 715
.....Jackson: 713
31. Stow: 709
32. GlenOak: 702
32. Cin. Sycamore: 702
33. Milford: 701
Maybe any school with over 700 male students should have a separate division. I know that the divisions go much further down than that....as where I live, Wadsworth, there are 569 male students.
Now, why should a school that size be competing in the same division with schools that are 1300...1200...1100..1000 strong?
Note: I had to edit because I missed some....but I didn't want to renumber everything....so I just inserted using.....
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Stow is last years Hudson.
Was really surprised Berea lost to Westlake, there is word of some internal issues in Berea...
St Edward is the favorite but everyone is dangerous in the playoffs. St. Edward vs. Wayne in the title game. Colerain is a very good team but like Wayne they haven't stepped out of there comfort zone a lot, as far as opponents go.
As far as scheduling for a St. Ig. or St. Edward teams will not schedule them. The playoff system does not reward you for losing to good teams. Props to Mentor for adding eds and st x though in the next couple years.
Stow is last years Hudson.
Was really surprised Berea lost to Westlake, there is word of some internal issues in Berea...
St Edward is the favorite but everyone is dangerous in the playoffs. St. Edward vs. Wayne in the title game. Colerain is a very good team but like Wayne they haven't stepped out of there comfort zone a lot, as far as opponents go.
As far as scheduling for a St. Ig. or St. Edward teams will not schedule them. The playoff system does not reward you for losing to good teams. Props to Mentor for adding eds and st x though in the next couple years.
I am not sure they should be given any great props......they are merely scheduling the other teams in the state that are in the Top 10 in enrollment as they are (see above).....and as they should do.
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Why is 7 divisions too many? OHSAA realized that school sizes across the board were declining and added the DIvision's 6 and 7, because of smaller and smaller schools.
And does 7 divisions take away from the other divisions? Really?
Returning to three or four divisions would be "fair" (I know, no such thing) if small rural schools had some kind of forced consolidation. Some of these Division 7 schools have class sizes of 30 to 40 kids (girls and boys) combined.
My school/my children's school might be faced with not having a team next year - When my son and his class graduates this year, there will be a whopping thirteen boys left from this years JV and Varsity programs. And the 8th grade had to be combined with the 7th grade squad this year so maybe five to eight kids that played junior high ball will play high school ball.
Having 7 divisions smacks to me of it being basically a "participation trophy" for those smaller schools. Like I said, I think 4 divisions would suffice.
But....of course....you know it is all about money. The OHSAA gets the money from the gate fees of all those games.
Sure, it then divvies it out to the schools....but it keeps a fair portion of it.
Having 7 divisions smacks to me of it being basically a "participation trophy" for those smaller schools. Like I said, I think 4 divisions would suffice.
But....of course....you know it is all about money. The OHSAA gets the money from the gate fees of all those games.
Sure, it then divvies it out to the schools....but it keeps a fair portion of it.
just curious - do you ever watch any games in the smaller divisions? Or is this a view from afar?
Hope has two beautiful daughters: Their names are Anger and Courage. Anger that things are the way they are. Courage to make them the way they ought to be. - St. Augustine. Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their vision. - Ayn Rand -
Having 7 divisions smacks to me of it being basically a "participation trophy" for those smaller schools. Like I said, I think 4 divisions would suffice.
But....of course....you know it is all about money. The OHSAA gets the money from the gate fees of all those games.
Sure, it then divvies it out to the schools....but it keeps a fair portion of it.
just curious - do you ever watch any games in the smaller divisions? Or is this a view from afar?
just curious - do you ever watch any games in the smaller divisions? Or is this a view from afar?
I don't go to any really. I see what's on TV sometimes.
What's the point?
Here are the way the schools are broken down, enrollment wise for each division:
Division Enrollment Schools
I 581 and more 72
II 361 to 580 107
III 257 to 360 107
IV 186 to 256 107
V 144 to 185 107
VI 100 to 143 107
VII 99 and less 109
Total Teams 716
I don't think there should be a change in the big schools.....but I think that the lower 6 divisions could be scaled down to at least 4...perhaps even 3, which would put about 150 or 200 schools in each division.
These divisions with 107 schools bring 32 each into the playoffs.
That is 29.9% of the schools in a division that make the playoffs....too many.
Compare:
Div. 1 (FBS) college football allows 3.12% of teams in its playoff. 4 out of 128
Div. 1-AA (FCS) allows 19.2% of teams in its playoffs. 24 out of 125
Div. II allows 16.47% of teams in its playoff. 28 out of 170
Div. III allow 12.9% of its schools in its playoff. 32 out of 247
As far as I am concerned, these Ohio HS division could scale back to a 16 team bracket....which would put 15% in, not 30%. Then you have to accomplish some kind of something to get in. They are literally letting teams in the playoff with a .500 or below record. Again...the idea must be to give as many as possible participation trophies. Or to just make money.
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#1 St. Eds vs #5 Euclid
As I stated on Oct 27th, "My Sleeper pick to make some noise is EUCLID" and I'm going to stick with it. St. Eds isn't firing on all cylinders for some reason and Euclid seems to be peaking. This should be a great match-up.
#2 Stow vs #3 Olentangy
I will concede that you guys were right about Stow being last seasons Hudson. I'll finally give Stow a little credit in ousting Solon. Anyone know anything about Stow's next opponent, Olentangy (11-1)?
I will add though that Stow got about as easy of a trip through the playoffs as anyone would get (Berea-Midpark, Solon, Olentangy). Whereas Hudson last year was awarded playing the #16th seeded team (Perry) after finishing with the #1 seed, but then faced St. Ignatius & Mentor before getting stopped by the eventual State Champion St. Ed's.
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nice call on Euclid
Rotsky is the coach there and as usual has baggage involving paperwork etc..... he gets his team motivated though.
Looking at St Edwards schedule says plenty about them....Olentangy I think will advance to play Ed's
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Div 1
3 public schools remain.(gipper be damned)
St. Edward vs. Stow Region 1
Colerain vs. Wayne Region 2
All but Stow are ranked top 25 nationally.
Ohio has great highschool football and not just in Div 1 lots of great matchups next week.
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nice call on Euclid
Rotsky is the coach there and as usual has baggage involving paperwork etc..... he gets his team motivated though.
Looking at St Edwards schedule says plenty about them....Olentangy I think will advance to play Ed's
nice call on Euclid
Really? They lost like 30-0
Rotsky is the coach there and as usual has baggage involving paperwork etc..... he gets his team motivated though.
Looking at St Edwards schedule says plenty about them....Olentangy I think will advance to play Ed's
And yet, no again
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Div 1
3 public schools remain.(gipper be damned)
St. Edward vs. Stow Region 1
Colerain vs. Wayne Region 2
All but Stow are ranked top 25 nationally.
Ohio has great highschool football and not just in Div 1 lots of great matchups next week.
Div 1
3 public schools remain.(gipper be damned)
You are the one that is damned. You are the one that smokes the parochial school's rope
St. Edward vs. Stow Region 1
Colerain vs. Wayne Region 2
All but Stow are ranked top 25 nationally.
Ohio has great highschool football and not just in Div 1 lots of great matchups next week.
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What is your problem Gipper?
My response was to Stans post recognizing Euclid
I like good highschool football and for 3 yrs running you insert your juice box rhetoric into the thread. nice job again.
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