2015 Ohio Highschool Football Season

The Gipper

@atenears said:

Mentor losing to Elyria (6-4) and Berea-Midpark losing to Westlake (3-7) in Week #10 ... ouch!

My Playoff Bitch:

Stow (2nd Seed) & Berea-Midpark (#15 seed) play a full schedule against D2 schools and get in. Stow played only TWO D1 schools and they had a combined record of (3-17), meanwhile Berea-Midpark played ONE D1 School with a record of (1-9) ... these two (Berea-Midpark @ Stow) will face each other in Round #1, so one of them will advance to second round, meanwhile St. Ignatius who could beat 15 of the 16 teams in the playoffs, is left out because of their (hard) schedule.

Let's just move on to the Championship, St Edwards takes Region-1 without breaking a sweat. My guess is that Ed's will face Westerville Central or Euclid face them in the semi's.

I hate to make such predictions against my Mentor Cardinals, but I'm not sure they get past Glen Oak in Round #1 ... at least it is at Mentor where they have been nearly flawless for a decade ... errr ... until last Friday against Elyria.

Stow may beat them all. That is my point about the divisions. Your complaint is that Stow plays mostly D-2 schools as their league is made of mostly D-2 schools. I say that there is a sliver of difference between a D-2 school and a D-1 school.

And no one told Ignatius they had to play a "hard" schedule. Maybe they should just play a schedule consisting of the other parochial schools around NE Ohio. What would be wrong with that?

The Gipper

Here are the largest public High schools in Ohio:

https://k12.niche.com/rankings/public-high-schools/largest-enrollment/s/ohio/

hammertime

Stow is last years Hudson.

Was really surprised Berea lost to Westlake, there is word of some internal issues in Berea...

St Edward is the favorite but everyone is dangerous in the playoffs. St. Edward vs. Wayne in the title game. Colerain is a very good team but like Wayne they haven't stepped out of there comfort zone a lot, as far as opponents go.

As far as scheduling for a St. Ig. or St. Edward teams will not schedule them. The playoff system does not reward you for losing to good teams. Props to Mentor for adding eds and st x though in the next couple years.

The Gipper

But, for purposes of the OHSAA, the following school have the highest enrollment of males:

1. Mason HS: 1350

2. St. Xavier: 1217

3. St. Ignatius: 1170

4. Fairfield: 1104

5. Centerville: 1071

6. Canton McKinley & Timken: 1056 (not sure why they are combined)

7. Lakota East: 989

8. Mentor: 960

9. Hamilton: 950

10. Cincinnati Oak Hills 932

.....Strongsville 931

11. Beavercreek 923

12. Kettering Fairmount 889

13. Gahanna Lincoln: 868

14. Brunswick: 859

.....Huber Heights Wayne 857

15. Berea-Midpark: 845

16. Lakota West: 834

17. Reynoldsburg: 827

18. Toledo Whitmer: 804

19. Medina: 798

20. Springfield: 777

21. Elyria: 769

22. Grove City: 760

23. Olentangy Liberty: 757

.....Pickerington North: 757

24. Colerain: 741

.....Hilliard Davidson 734

.....Middletown 734

25. Dublin Coffman: 730

26. St. Edward: 721

27. Shaker Hts.: 720

28. Euclid: 719

29. Rhodes: 717

30. Lancaster: 715

.....Jackson: 713

31. Stow: 709

32. GlenOak: 702

32. Cin. Sycamore: 702

33. Milford: 701

Maybe any school with over 700 male students should have a separate division. I know that the divisions go much further down than that....as where I live, Wadsworth, there are 569 male students.

Now, why should a school that size be competing in the same division with schools that are 1300...1200...1100..1000 strong?

Note: I had to edit because I missed some....but I didn't want to renumber everything....so I just inserted using.....

The Gipper

@hammertime said:

Stow is last years Hudson.

Was really surprised Berea lost to Westlake, there is word of some internal issues in Berea...

St Edward is the favorite but everyone is dangerous in the playoffs. St. Edward vs. Wayne in the title game. Colerain is a very good team but like Wayne they haven't stepped out of there comfort zone a lot, as far as opponents go.

As far as scheduling for a St. Ig. or St. Edward teams will not schedule them. The playoff system does not reward you for losing to good teams. Props to Mentor for adding eds and st x though in the next couple years.

I am not sure they should be given any great props......they are merely scheduling the other teams in the state that are in the Top 10 in enrollment as they are (see above).....and as they should do.

mohican

@the-gipper said:

Having 7 divisions smacks to me of it being basically a "participation trophy" for those smaller schools. Like I said, I think 4 divisions would suffice.

But....of course....you know it is all about money. The OHSAA gets the money from the gate fees of all those games.

Sure, it then divvies it out to the schools....but it keeps a fair portion of it.

just curious - do you ever watch any games in the smaller divisions? Or is this a view from afar?

mohican

I often hear the argument that private schools should have their own playoff system separate from public schools.

The Gipper

@mohican said:
just curious - do you ever watch any games in the smaller divisions? Or is this a view from afar?

I don't go to any really. I see what's on TV sometimes.

What's the point?

Here are the way the schools are broken down, enrollment wise for each division:

Division Enrollment Schools

I 581 and more 72

II 361 to 580 107

III 257 to 360 107

IV 186 to 256 107

V 144 to 185 107

VI 100 to 143 107

VII 99 and less 109

Total Teams 716

I don't think there should be a change in the big schools.....but I think that the lower 6 divisions could be scaled down to at least 4...perhaps even 3, which would put about 150 or 200 schools in each division.

These divisions with 107 schools bring 32 each into the playoffs.

That is 29.9% of the schools in a division that make the playoffs....too many.

Compare:

Div. 1 (FBS) college football allows 3.12% of teams in its playoff. 4 out of 128

Div. 1-AA (FCS) allows 19.2% of teams in its playoffs. 24 out of 125

Div. II allows 16.47% of teams in its playoff. 28 out of 170

Div. III allow 12.9% of its schools in its playoff. 32 out of 247

As far as I am concerned, these Ohio HS division could scale back to a 16 team bracket....which would put 15% in, not 30%. Then you have to accomplish some kind of something to get in. They are literally letting teams in the playoff with a .500 or below record. Again...the idea must be to give as many as possible participation trophies. Or to just make money.

ATENEARS

#1 St. Eds vs #5 Euclid

As I stated on Oct 27th, "My Sleeper pick to make some noise is EUCLID" and I'm going to stick with it. St. Eds isn't firing on all cylinders for some reason and Euclid seems to be peaking. This should be a great match-up.

#2 Stow vs #3 Olentangy

I will concede that you guys were right about Stow being last seasons Hudson. I'll finally give Stow a little credit in ousting Solon. Anyone know anything about Stow's next opponent, Olentangy (11-1)?

I will add though that Stow got about as easy of a trip through the playoffs as anyone would get (Berea-Midpark, Solon, Olentangy). Whereas Hudson last year was awarded playing the #16th seeded team (Perry) after finishing with the #1 seed, but then faced St. Ignatius & Mentor before getting stopped by the eventual State Champion St. Ed's.

hammertime

nice call on Euclid

Rotsky is the coach there and as usual has baggage involving paperwork etc..... he gets his team motivated though.

Looking at St Edwards schedule says plenty about them....Olentangy I think will advance to play Ed's

hammertime

Div 1

3 public schools remain.(gipper be damned)

St. Edward vs. Stow Region 1

Colerain vs. Wayne Region 2

All but Stow are ranked top 25 nationally.

Ohio has great highschool football and not just in Div 1 lots of great matchups next week.

The Gipper

@hammertime said:

nice call on Euclid

Really? They lost like 30-0

Rotsky is the coach there and as usual has baggage involving paperwork etc..... he gets his team motivated though.

Looking at St Edwards schedule says plenty about them....Olentangy I think will advance to play Ed's

And yet, no again

The Gipper

@hammertime said:

Div 1

3 public schools remain.(gipper be damned)

You are the one that is damned. You are the one that smokes the parochial school's rope

St. Edward vs. Stow Region 1

Colerain vs. Wayne Region 2

All but Stow are ranked top 25 nationally.

Ohio has great highschool football and not just in Div 1 lots of great matchups next week.

hammertime

What is your problem Gipper?

My response was to Stans post recognizing Euclid

I like good highschool football and for 3 yrs running you insert your juice box rhetoric into the thread. nice job again.

The Gipper

@hammertime said:

What is your problem Gipper?

My response was to Stans post recognizing Euclid

I like good highschool football and for 3 yrs running you insert your juice box rhetoric into the thread. nice job again.

I insert mine only in response to yours. Blame yourself.

And FYI, when you list a post here.....you are opening it up for discussion to any and all.

If you want to give Stan a private message, there is a method for that.

hammertime

sure thing gipper. thanks for the heads up on posting. who do you like in the semis?

have you had a chance to check out any of the d2 thru d7 teams?

Any of the teams your rooting for still alive? There are some alumni of Canton Central C that I work with and are slightly surprised they've made it as far as they have.

Hudson keeps on chugging away with some excellent coaching regardless of the Div. (they dropped to D2)

You mentioned in a previous post the need for less divisions and I agree it could be shrunk down. but only to 5 not 7. A Super 1 division could be an option for the Mega schools.

The Gipper

@hammertime said:

sure thing gipper. thanks for the heads up on posting. who do you like in the semis?

have you had a chance to check out any of the d2 thru d7 teams?

Any of the teams your rooting for still alive? There are some alumni of Canton Central C that I work with and are slightly surprised they've made it as far as they have.

Hudson keeps on chugging away with some excellent coaching regardless of the Div. (they dropped to D2)

You mentioned in a previous post the need for less divisions and I agree it could be shrunk down. but only to 5 not 7. A Super 1 division could be an option for the Mega schools.

I would most like the Akron/Canton area teams to win: Stow, Hudson, Hoban, Mogadore...or Perry....and CCC. Don't really care much about the other matchups that don't have the local teams in them. Though, I was friends once with the mayor of Coldwater....he passed away.

Five divisions I think would be sufficient.

ATENEARS

@the-gipper said:
Stow may beat them all.

Really? They lost 45-7 ... (hehe, right back at ya!)

ATENEARS

I guess I'm now satisfied with Mentor taking Ed's into the fourth Quarter only down 10-7 before the wheels came off. Ed's has out-scored their opponents 102-10 since entering that fourth quarter against Mentor.

Great Championship match-up between Huber Heights Wayne Warriors & St. Edwards Eagles ... the two best remain.

Here is Saturday’s state championship game schedule:

10 a.m.: Division VI title game, Kirtland vs. Maria Stein Marion Local.

3 p.m.: Division I title game, St. Edward vs. Huber Heights Wayne.

8 p.m.: Division IV title game, Columbus Bishop Hartley vs. Steubenville.

Here is Thursday’s state championship game schedule:

7:30 p.m.: Division III title game, Archbishop Hoban vs. Toledo Central Catholic.

Here is Friday’s state championship game schedule:

10 a.m.: Division V title game, Canton Central Catholic vs. Coldwater.

3 p.m.: Division VII title game, Mogadore vs. Fort Recovery.

8 p.m.: Division II title game, Massillon Perry vs. Cincinnati La Salle.

Visit the OHSAA website for ticket information at:http://www.ohsaa.org/sports/ft/boys/default.asp

ATENEARS

@hammertime said:
Any of the teams your rooting for still alive? There are some alumni of Canton Central C that I work with and are slightly surprised they've made it as far as they have.

A very good young man that I coached in travel baseball (catcher) for several seasons plays Linebacker for Edison Chargers, whom CCC beat on Friday in the semi's. The kid had over 100 tackles and a couple of sacks for Edison. The had a great season.