Browns shopping Thomas, Mack and Kruger!
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Kruger.....the only starting linebacker in the whole league with only 9 tackles in 8 games.....completely absolutely pathetic.....
No matter HOW he says they are using him, he is getting owned every...single...game.....(owned, I tell ya)
and an 8 million dollar linebacker should be able to make more than 1 tackle per game......
and it's REALLY sad that he's not even owning it and "implying" it's anything else but poor execution on his part.....
terrible, terrible, terrible
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Losing Thomas just feels wrong to me. He is Browns through and through. How many more years will he have do you think?
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If as the article says "Everyone" is on the block, then the danger is only one or two pieces go without bringing enough value to enhance our draft.
Who could other teams realistically want?
O: Thomas - Bito - Schwartz - Barn - Benji
Des Bryant - GipST: Lee - Coons
Bito, Schwartz and Gip all strike me as being both young enough and good enough to be rebuilding blocks. And it'll be hard to get what Thomas is worth... plus he can play at a high level for another five years... long enough to shepherd us through a rebuild.
Leaves Barn and Benji... both in contract years... both good players, but somewhat one-dimensional and not necessarily game changers. Still could be nice pieces to fill needs of some teams "in the hunt"... but what teams?
Barn
Houston - playoff push in a weak division; reunite with Hoyer
Packers - not a strong pass catching TE on the roster.
Falcons - not a strong pass catching TE on the roster.
Saints - have old friend Watson, but Barn could be complementary addition.
Benji
Houston - Shorts has been hurting
Packers - missing their "burner" Nelson; after their SNF showing could be leading candidate
Panthers - getting a good season out of Ginn, but need help
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Well its too bad our Coaching is not on par. We should be getting so much more from this group. And our Def Coordinator is just plain lousy. If we give up these guys, imagine how much worse our team will be. Lets look at the Pats, they always get more with less. Until we get a good coach, we will always play under par. I like pettine, but hate the fact that he keeps this Def Coordinator.
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Broncos LT Ty Sambrailo heads to IR.
IIRC, Broncos have lost a two LT and a C this season. If they are looking at a playoff run, they might be the team calling about both Mack and Thomas.
I hope they don't.
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Broncos LT Ty Sambrailo heads to IR.
IIRC, Broncos have lost a two LT and a C this season. If they are looking at a playoff run, they might be the team calling about both Mack and Thomas.
I hope they don't.
Broncos LT Ty Sambrailo heads to IR.
IIRC, Broncos have lost a two LT and a C this season. If they are looking at a playoff run, they might be the team calling about both Mack and Thomas.
I hope they don't.
If they trade to help Denver out I'm driving right up there and bitching up a storm.
There are teams that we should never ever deal with.
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Broncos LT Ty Sambrailo heads to IR.
IIRC, Broncos have lost a two LT and a C this season. If they are looking at a playoff run, they might be the team calling about both Mack and Thomas.
I hope they don't.
If they trade to help Denver out I'm driving right up there and bitching up a storm.
There are teams that we should never ever deal with.
If they trade to help Denver out I'm driving right up there and bitching up a storm.
There are teams that we should never ever deal with.
If they are able to grab a 2015 first round pick, a 2016 first round pick, plus at least a 2015 second round pick, then take those picks and get a legitimate QB, a legitimate ILB, a legitimate DE and LT/C replacement...I'd welcome a trade with Denver with open arms.
EDIT:
For instance, say we trade them, finish 4-12, finish at #2, trade from #2 to #5 and pick up a 2015 second and third, take OT Ronnie Stanley at #5, then package a 2016 first, a 2015 second, a 2016 second and a 2015 third to move up for QB Jordan Lynch, then take DE Chris Jones in the second, I may take that.
Maybe.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
I'd consider trading JT+our defense to the Broncos for their entire defense + their 1st rounder.
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Today 4PM. Haslem must sign off on all of them. Lets see if Farmer still has the keys to the Family in the House or Haslem might be changing the Locks. If Mack has not signed off on his no trade clause. Farmer, That Is Your Answer. I would say don't get stupid but 4PM today will answer some of those thoughts.. Go Browns!!
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Sure- trade them for what? Another first round bust?
get what we can for Johnny from Dallas, offer Mack to Houston for Hoyer and a #2 pick...haven't seen Irving at center but if Hoyer knows the current offense, together he and McCown could do some good things i think. qb by committee is a cleveland reality for 15 yrs. i say we embrace it.
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Well.....Alex Mack issued a statement last night saying he would NOT waive his trade clause.....
"I have a 'no-trade' clause in my contract. It was included for good reason. I'm not leaving my teammates, coaches and Browns fans while there is work this season to be finished," Mack wrote.
I did note that his statement says "this season".....still might be setting the tone to stay in case his value has dropped.....
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Well.....Alex Mack issued a statement last night saying he would NOT waive his trade clause.....
"I have a 'no-trade' clause in my contract. It was included for good reason. I'm not leaving my teammates, coaches and Browns fans while there is work this season to be finished," Mack wrote.
I did note that his statement says "this season".....still might be setting the tone to stay in case his value has dropped.....
I did note that his statement says "this season".....still might be setting the tone to stay in case his value has dropped.....
His value has definitely dropped, still holding out hope he can get back to form though.
As far as the statement above you regarding Joe Thomas, no comment because that's moronic. JT would make a huge difference on a contender.
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I did note that his statement says "this season".....still might be setting the tone to stay in case his value has dropped.....
His value has definitely dropped, still holding out hope he can get back to form though.
As far as the statement above you regarding Joe Thomas, no comment because that's moronic. JT would make a huge difference on a contender.
His value has definitely dropped, still holding out hope he can get back to form though.
As far as the statement above you regarding Joe Thomas, no comment because that's moronic. JT would make a huge difference on a contender.
Joe is awesome, easily one of the best ever. his size and ability in ANY era before now would make his legacy all-world, the "Jim Brown" of o-lineman. his greatness makes other guy's jobs harder, not just the obvious of the opponent's D, but also for his bookend and fellow line-mates...similar to how Darelle Revis's cb teammates become the focus of gameplans by default. i wouldn't be surprised if Schwartz hates the guy. just kidding.
if you could go back though, and JT, Megatron and All Day are all on the board...tough call.
all of the above, sure. if i knew Peterson's college injuries were not going to be issues??? hmmm
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I don't see any of them going anywhere just a trick by the FO to send a message to the players that they are all replaceable and to step it the fuck up
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I don't see any of them going anywhere just a trick by the FO to send a message to the players that they are all replaceable and to step it the fuck up
I don't see any of them going anywhere just a trick by the FO to send a message to the players that they are all replaceable and to step it the fuck up
I could almost see that.......but hopefully Joe was in on it.....because picking on the best player you've had in 40 years AND our highest rated player this year would be a complete dirt bag move.....
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His value has definitely dropped, still holding out hope he can get back to form though.
As far as the statement above you regarding Joe Thomas, no comment because that's moronic. JT would make a huge difference on a contender.
Joe is awesome, easily one of the best ever. his size and ability in ANY era before now would make his legacy all-world, the "Jim Brown" of o-lineman. his greatness makes other guy's jobs harder, not just the obvious of the opponent's D, but also for his bookend and fellow line-mates...similar to how Darelle Revis's cb teammates become the focus of gameplans by default. i wouldn't be surprised if Schwartz hates the guy. just kidding.
if you could go back though, and JT, Megatron and All Day are all on the board...tough call.
all of the above, sure. if i knew Peterson's college injuries were not going to be issues??? hmmm
Joe is awesome, easily one of the best ever. his size and ability in ANY era before now would make his legacy all-world, the "Jim Brown" of o-lineman. his greatness makes other guy's jobs harder, not just the obvious of the opponent's D, but also for his bookend and fellow line-mates...similar to how Darelle Revis's cb teammates become the focus of gameplans by default. i wouldn't be surprised if Schwartz hates the guy. just kidding.
if you could go back though, and JT, Megatron and All Day are all on the board...tough call.
all of the above, sure. if i knew Peterson's college injuries were not going to be issues??? hmmm
JT isn't responsible for our crappy draft record otherwise, Ghoolie just doesn't understand that
A HOFer LT that has never missed a snap was a great pick in 2007, however the picks surrounding it not so much.
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Pass on Rothlisberger, AP, AJ Green, Julio Jones...............then expect to win?
Idiotic.
But...they didn't pass on Weeden, Richardson and Josh Gordon who were supposed to be as good as all those guys:
And by the way....they didn't pass on AJ Green. They wanted Green and would have taken him except the Bengals took him ahead of them.
If the Bengals did not take Green, Browns would have....and would have never traded the pick to get Phil Taylor.
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