Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Are you completely sure about this? It seems there are quite a few posters around here who want to be able to say "I told you so" every single week.
It's just taking the rose colored glasses off Mark- it's called being "objective" and not a hopeless homer. Didn't I tell you in the Tavern you could have my season tickets for the next time you're in town if the Browns kept it within (I think 3, I was drinking heavily at the time). Seems like my radar was right on- I don't like losing anymore than you do, but apparently Pettine didn't get the memo NFL games are 60 minutes long, not 30- and it isn't too smart to keep putting a damaged quarterback out there who's going three and out, three and out, rinse wash repeat- and tosses up a soft floater to the end zone on a bum shoulder that got picked off.
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A coach that also didn't know why Duke Johnson was on the field.
Pettine is in way over his head. He's a nice man but terrible coach.
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Is pettine a nice man though? Kind of comes off like a scared and insecure asshole type to me.....
Also, the propettine crowd seems to think that if you want JM to play or be given a shot you think JM was a good draft pick or is likely to be a good nfl qb. not at all. A lot of us are pretty skeptical on manziel, but are simply saying "this team is going nowhere at 2-6 and why the fuck would a 2-6 team going nowhere run out a proven loser who is 36 and hasb no upside for our future at all"
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Browns committed to injured McCown
QB Josh McCown is day-to-day after injuring his ribs in Sunday's loss to Arizona. He was limited in practice due to a sore right shoulder and bruised ribs. Cleveland coach Mike Pettine said the team hasn't reached the point where it would decide to take a look at young players like backup QB Johnny Manziel.
Nor should he.
You play the best players as long as you are alive.
Right now, the two wild cards have just two more wins than us, and one of them just got both QBs injured in the same game.
Pittsburgh ... We've got them twice, and they just lost a big playmaker.
Everyone else has a losing record.
9-7 can probably take a WC this year.
Are we likely to go 7-1 the rest of the way? No.
But giving up is for chicken shits.
When/if we are officially eliminated then we can "look at" guys that we probably already know what we have.
I prefer "getting them game time experience" over "looking at them" ... but to each their own.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Nor should he.
You play the best players as long as you are alive.
Right now, the two wild cards have just two more wins than us, and one of them just got both QBs injured in the same game.
Pittsburgh ... We've got them twice, and they just lost a big playmaker.
Everyone else has a losing record.
9-7 can probably take a WC this year.
Are we likely to go 7-1 the rest of the way? No.
But giving up is for chicken shits.
When/if we are officially eliminated then we can "look at" guys that we probably already know what we have.
I prefer "getting them game time experience" over "looking at them" ... but to each their own.
Zombo
A-goddamned-men.
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Zombo said:
Nor should he.
You play the best players as long as you are alive.
Right now, the two wild cards have just two more wins than us, and one of them just got both QBs injured in the same game.
Pittsburgh ... We've got them twice, and they just lost a big playmaker.
Everyone else has a losing record.
9-7 can probably take a WC this year.
Are we likely to go 7-1 the rest of the way? No.
But giving up is for chicken shits.
When/if we are officially eliminated then we can "look at" guys that we probably already know what we have.
I prefer "getting them game time experience" over "looking at them" ... but to each their own.
Zombo
A-goddamned-men.
A-goddamned-men.
You apparently like getting smoke blown up your ass. THEORETICALLY the Browns are alive in the playoff chase-. The best the Browns can do is 10-6, if you think that's going to happen, I have some hot swampland Florida real estate for sale.
Even @ 9-7 The Raiders or Jets only have to go 5-4 the rest of the way out- they both hold head to head tiebreakers over the Browns. We only have to leapfrog 5 other teams- plus the Chargers- who have a tiebreaker with us, and hope the Jets and Raiders start sucking really bad.
This team is on playoff life support, Yeah- there's still a few fans in denial about it- just don't get your hopes up.
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Is pettine a nice man though? Kind of comes off like a scared and insecure asshole type to me.....
Also, the propettine crowd seems to think that if you want JM to play or be given a shot you think JM was a good draft pick or is likely to be a good nfl qb. not at all. A lot of us are pretty skeptical on manziel, but are simply saying "this team is going nowhere at 2-6 and why the fuck would a 2-6 team going nowhere run out a proven loser who is 36 and hasb no upside for our future at all"
Is pettine a nice man though? Kind of comes off like a scared and insecure asshole type to me.....
Also, the propettine crowd seems to think that if you want JM to play or be given a shot you think JM was a good draft pick or is likely to be a good nfl qb. not at all. A lot of us are pretty skeptical on manziel, but are simply saying "this team is going nowhere at 2-6 and why the fuck would a 2-6 team going nowhere run out a proven loser who is 36 and hasb no upside for our future at all"
Would you even stick around here if Manziel didn't pan out for us?
I'm not propettine I'm pro-browns. As long as Pettine's the coach I'll support him - he was right last year that Brian Hoyer was a better quarterback than Manziel, no reason to believe he isn't right McCown is the best we got this year.
Oh but I forgot this is basically JM's "real rookie season" and he's "different this year"
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A-goddamned-men.
You apparently like getting smoke blown up your ass. THEORETICALLY the Browns are alive in the playoff chase-. The best the Browns can do is 10-6, if you think that's going to happen, I have some hot swampland Florida real estate for sale.
Even @ 9-7 The Raiders or Jets only have to go 5-4 the rest of the way out- they both hold head to head tiebreakers over the Browns. We only have to leapfrog 5 other teams- plus the Chargers- who have a tiebreaker with us, and hope the Jets and Raiders start sucking really bad.
This team is on playoff life support, Yeah- there's still a few fans in denial about it- just don't get your hopes up.
No one is in denial.You apparently like getting smoke blown up your ass. THEORETICALLY the Browns are alive in the playoff chase-. The best the Browns can do is 10-6, if you think that's going to happen, I have some hot swampland Florida real estate for sale.
Even @ 9-7 The Raiders or Jets only have to go 5-4 the rest of the way out- they both hold head to head tiebreakers over the Browns. We only have to leapfrog 5 other teams- plus the Chargers- who have a tiebreaker with us, and hope the Jets and Raiders start sucking really bad.
This team is on playoff life support, Yeah- there's still a few fans in denial about it- just don't get your hopes up.
We are 2-6, you are what your record says you are.
What's the rush to give up?
What's the rush to play the younger guys to "see what we've got" as opposed to playing the better guys and trying to win football games as long as we are mathematically alive?
That's what you do.
Quitting is for losers, I'm glad none of you are our coach, I can't stand quitters.
If we are as bad as everyone thinks, we'll be eliminated in a couple weeks, and that ought to be plenty of time for you to go "Oh, that's why they were on the bench."
Undermanned: It sucks,and that is what the offseason is for, to fix it.
Quitting: Totally unacceptable.
Everyone is in such a rush to tell me how bad the Browns are and how they "told me so".
I watch the games too you know. It sucks. But what is your goddamn hurry to pull the plug?
Zombo
--Im looking forward to rooting for the Browns on Thursday, so don't mind me if I skip over all of your obituaries for now.
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No one is in denial.You apparently like getting smoke blown up your ass. THEORETICALLY the Browns are alive in the playoff chase-. The best the Browns can do is 10-6, if you think that's going to happen, I have some hot swampland Florida real estate for sale.
Even @ 9-7 The Raiders or Jets only have to go 5-4 the rest of the way out- they both hold head to head tiebreakers over the Browns. We only have to leapfrog 5 other teams- plus the Chargers- who have a tiebreaker with us, and hope the Jets and Raiders start sucking really bad.
This team is on playoff life support, Yeah- there's still a few fans in denial about it- just don't get your hopes up.
We are 2-6, you are what your record says you are.
What's the rush to give up?
What's the rush to play the younger guys to "see what we've got" as opposed to playing the better guys and trying to win football games as long as we are mathematically alive?
That's what you do.
Quitting is for losers, I'm glad none of you are our coach, I can't stand quitters.
If we are as bad as everyone thinks, we'll be eliminated in a couple weeks, and that ought to be plenty of time for you to go "Oh, that's why they were on the bench."
Undermanned: It sucks,and that is what the offseason is for, to fix it.
Quitting: Totally unacceptable.
Everyone is in such a rush to tell me how bad the Browns are and how they "told me so".
I watch the games too you know. It sucks. But what is your goddamn hurry to pull the plug?
Zombo
--Im looking forward to rooting for the Browns on Thursday, so don't mind me if I skip over all of your obituaries for now.
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Is pettine a nice man though? Kind of comes off like a scared and insecure asshole type to me.....
Also, the propettine crowd seems to think that if you want JM to play or be given a shot you think JM was a good draft pick or is likely to be a good nfl qb. not at all. A lot of us are pretty skeptical on manziel, but are simply saying "this team is going nowhere at 2-6 and why the fuck would a 2-6 team going nowhere run out a proven loser who is 36 and hasb no upside for our future at all"
Nice pictures of a nice man?
Also, the propettine crowd seems to think that if you want JM to play or be given a shot you think JM was a good draft pick or is likely to be a good nfl qb. not at all. A lot of us are pretty skeptical on manziel, but are simply saying "this team is going nowhere at 2-6 and why the fuck would a 2-6 team going nowhere run out a proven loser who is 36 and hasb no upside for our future at all"
Similarly the anti-Pet crowd thinks that just because we Pro-Pet members understand that a staff cannot write off the season before the playoffs are mathematically out of reach, that we are somehow a bunch of pie-in-the-sky Pollyannas. A lot of us are plenty skeptical of our odds as they are without unleashing our 2nd-string QB on the league.
Call it even?
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I do like our Coach more now than before, I don't agree with everything he does but I do believe he does want to WIN period. And the only thing I can say is JM must be pretty damn awful for him not to be playing more, We have no idea what goes on in practice and I really don't recall any player saying he should start other than what Josh Gordon said last year.
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I have a friend of a guy who cleans the laundry of a guy whose girlfriend is a telemarketer and she said she sold three boxes of Tommy Copper braces to the Mccown household.
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Not sure how smart it is to throw Manziel in against a team that destroyed him last year.
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Not sure how smart it is to throw Manziel in against a team that destroyed him last year.
Not sure how smart it is to throw Manziel in against a team that destroyed him last year.
Ha!....there's never a "smart" time to play Johnny....or so it seems.....
Last year we put him in too soon(even tho it was week 10??)....or too late(because the team had quit?).....or without first team reps(even tho he's the BU)....and now?.....dont play him because its a team he lost to last year?......
Instead of protecting him from the big bad Bengals, who beat him up last season....how about him stepping up and serving a little payback?....and showing us he's learned something and is truly better than last year?.....eh?.......or does he still need a silver platter to play and win....?
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I'm suspecting it'll be McCown Thursday after he gets his weekly injection of stem cells.
Though I can already here the excuses for Manziel "don't expect too much the bengals are really good", "it's a short week that's tough on any quarterback!"
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No one is in denial.You apparently like getting smoke blown up your ass. THEORETICALLY the Browns are alive in the playoff chase-. The best the Browns can do is 10-6, if you think that's going to happen, I have some hot swampland Florida real estate for sale.
Even @ 9-7 The Raiders or Jets only have to go 5-4 the rest of the way out- they both hold head to head tiebreakers over the Browns. We only have to leapfrog 5 other teams- plus the Chargers- who have a tiebreaker with us, and hope the Jets and Raiders start sucking really bad.
This team is on playoff life support, Yeah- there's still a few fans in denial about it- just don't get your hopes up.
We are 2-6, you are what your record says you are.
What's the rush to give up?
What's the rush to play the younger guys to "see what we've got" as opposed to playing the better guys and trying to win football games as long as we are mathematically alive?
That's what you do.
Quitting is for losers, I'm glad none of you are our coach, I can't stand quitters.
If we are as bad as everyone thinks, we'll be eliminated in a couple weeks, and that ought to be plenty of time for you to go "Oh, that's why they were on the bench."
Undermanned: It sucks,and that is what the offseason is for, to fix it.
Quitting: Totally unacceptable.
Everyone is in such a rush to tell me how bad the Browns are and how they "told me so".
I watch the games too you know. It sucks. But what is your goddamn hurry to pull the plug?
Zombo
--Im looking forward to rooting for the Browns on Thursday, so don't mind me if I skip over all of your obituaries for now.
Zombo said:
No one is in denial.
We are 2-6, you are what your record says you are.
What's the rush to give up?
What's the rush to play the younger guys to "see what we've got" as opposed to playing the better guys and trying to win football games as long as we are mathematically alive?
That's what you do.
Quitting is for losers, I'm glad none of you are our coach, I can't stand quitters.
If we are as bad as everyone thinks, we'll be eliminated in a couple weeks, and that ought to be plenty of time for you to go "Oh, that's why they were on the bench."
Undermanned: It sucks,and that is what the offseason is for, to fix it.
Quitting: Totally unacceptable.
Everyone is in such a rush to tell me how bad the Browns are and how they "told me so".
I watch the games too you know. It sucks. But what is your goddamn hurry to pull the plug?
Zombo
--Im looking forward to rooting for the Browns on Thursday, so don't mind me if I skip over all of your obituaries for now.
Oh, I'll tune in Z, if they get down by 20, I'm tuning out. My objective glasses see a team that doesn't have the offensive weapons to compete, and a defense that is in total disarray. Got a nice invite from a friend to watch the game in the lap of luxury at the Racquet Club. Golly gee, we're mathematically alive, if the Browns made the playoffs this year it would be considered the biggest miracle in the NFL in the last 20 years, maybe ever.
Nice pictures of a nice man?
Similarly the anti-Pet crowd thinks that just because we Pro-Pet members understand that a staff cannot write off the season before the playoffs are mathematically out of reach, that we are somehow a bunch of pie-in-the-sky Pollyannas. A lot of us are plenty skeptical of our odds as they are without unleashing our 2nd-string QB on the league.
Call it even?
Fair enough Tour. The Titans are mathematically still alive too- and they just fired their coach. (Probably a bad move, but I digress)
Zombo says you are what your record says you are- in the last 15 games Pettine is 3-12. I'm supposed to be impressed by the dive for the potential #1 overall pick come 2016?
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God have mercy on our souls with Manziel starting on Thursday night. This is what everyone was asking for all season. Well, you got it.
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speaking of excuses for manziel.......ummmm, the propettine crowd in here makes more excuses for mccown than any player I've ever seen. Dude is 2-38473837837373783 in his last however many games and all I hear is how he is a warrior or that he's never a reason for the 38473xxxxxxxxxxx losses. Or that he doesnt have enough time to throw. Or 40 other excuses to account for his unbelievably consistent ability to LOSE FOOTBALL GAMES in numerous different settings.
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speaking of excuses for manziel.......ummmm, the propettine crowd in here makes more excuses for mccown than any player I've ever seen. Dude is 2-38473837837373783 in his last however many games and all I hear is how he is a warrior or that he's never a reason for the 38473xxxxxxxxxxx losses. Or that he doesnt have enough time to throw. Or 40 other excuses to account for his unbelievably consistent ability to LOSE FOOTBALL GAMES in numerous different settings.
speaking of excuses for manziel.......ummmm, the propettine crowd in here makes more excuses for mccown than any player I've ever seen. Dude is 2-38473837837373783 in his last however many games and all I hear is how he is a warrior or that he's never a reason for the 38473xxxxxxxxxxx losses. Or that he doesnt have enough time to throw. Or 40 other excuses to account for his unbelievably consistent ability to LOSE FOOTBALL GAMES in numerous different settings.
Would you say we would've won many of the games we lost with even a tad bit more D? Even the Arizona game, the D was horrible in the 2nd half. Is he the best we've had since we came back, probably not. I really think Couch could have been great if we had any king of OL. But statistically, he is the best we've had.
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