Joe Thomas
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...however, I've just seen him beat too much at the point..even by TE's.
There it is.....watch him and you will see him get blocked, boxed out and beaten on almost every single play......
Heck, Justin Gilbert has one less tackle than Kruger and he's only played ST.....
400+ snaps and only 9 tackles......n-i-n-e....
There it is.....watch him and you will see him get blocked, boxed out and beaten on almost every single play......
Heck, Justin Gilbert has one less tackle than Kruger and he's only played ST.....
400+ snaps and only 9 tackles......n-i-n-e....
Gtfo....one less. Sucks we couldn't move him but fuck who wants him? Now watch him go somewhere next year where they convert him to a DE and have a Jared Allen like resurgence. Speaking of which, that fucker still has some shit left in his tank. Carolina can't leave him in there all game like they did on Monday, all those guys gassed out. But fuck me Jared Allen kind of looks like he's got his old pop back. I fail to see how Kruger looks less powerful and explosive off the line even when he has his hands down....than a 33 year old Allen who looks like he should be playing in a band with westside at this point.
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um no they don't. Seriously. No they don't. They've got a few players that deserve honorable mentions
Talent evaluation wise at the beginning of the year....yes, they do. But a few things have occurred: Injuries have diminished a few good players......like Joe Haden.
And bad coaching begets bad playing. Its like a movie.....you can have some of the greatest acting talent up on that screen, but if the writing for that movie is piss poor (say GM) .....and the directing of those great actors is piss poor (coaching)....you have a bad movie. Great actors cannot cure it.
Like some of these:
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/10-terrible-films-starring-great-actors-20150324
Talent evaluation wise at the beginning of the year....yes, they do. But a few things have occurred: Injuries have diminished a few good players......like Joe Haden.
And bad coaching begets bad playing. Its like a movie.....you can have some of the greatest acting talent up on that screen, but if the writing for that movie is piss poor (say GM) .....and the directing of those great actors is piss poor (coaching)....you have a bad movie. Great actors cannot cure it.
Like some of these:
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/10-terrible-films-starring-great-actors-20150324
Talent evaluation wise at the beginning of the year....yes, they do. But a few things have occurred: Injuries have diminished a few good players......like Joe Haden.
And bad coaching begets bad playing. Its like a movie.....you can have some of the greatest acting talent up on that screen, but if the writing for that movie is piss poor (say GM) .....and the directing of those great actors is piss poor (coaching)....you have a bad movie. Great actors cannot cure it.
Like some of these:
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/10-terrible-films-starring-great-actors-20150324
kind of reminds me of the movie the dirty dozen...how many incredible actors were in that movie and it worked because of the writing and directing etc etc. it worked well. if you had a bad script the opposite would have occured...
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Talent evaluation wise at the beginning of the year....yes, they do. But a few things have occurred: Injuries have diminished a few good players......like Joe Haden.
And bad coaching begets bad playing. Its like a movie.....you can have some of the greatest acting talent up on that screen, but if the writing for that movie is piss poor (say GM) .....and the directing of those great actors is piss poor (coaching)....you have a bad movie. Great actors cannot cure it.
Like some of these:
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/10-terrible-films-starring-great-actors-20150324
Talent evaluation wise at the beginning of the year....yes, they do. But a few things have occurred: Injuries have diminished a few good players......like Joe Haden.
And bad coaching begets bad playing. Its like a movie.....you can have some of the greatest acting talent up on that screen, but if the writing for that movie is piss poor (say GM) .....and the directing of those great actors is piss poor (coaching)....you have a bad movie. Great actors cannot cure it.
Like some of these:
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/10-terrible-films-starring-great-actors-20150324
kind of reminds me of the movie the dirty dozen...how many incredible actors were in that movie and it worked because of the writing and directing etc etc. it worked well. if you had a bad script the opposite would have occured...
kind of reminds me of the movie the dirty dozen...how many incredible actors were in that movie and it worked because of the writing and directing etc etc. it worked well. if you had a bad script the opposite would have occured...
let me add, if lee marvin were still alive i'd want him as our gm.
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kind of reminds me of the movie the dirty dozen...how many incredible actors were in that movie and it worked because of the writing and directing etc etc. it worked well. if you had a bad script the opposite would have occured...
let me add, if lee marvin were still alive i'd want him as our gm.
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Well, we know which actor in that movie we would want as our running back for sure.
Well, we know which actor in that movie we would want as our running back for sure.
without a doubt....without a doubt
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TC...
Is it wrong to think that there is a lot more unverified reporting these days? That second sources are optional and the need to be first often trumps the need to be right?
Agreed - Joe is no roadgrader, but I figure there is no roadgrader in the NFL, who can also do what Joe does. Surely the abilities are mutually exclusive.
Today? None I can think of, but over time?
Munoz... Ogden... Pace... Jones... All were in the same class as Joe as a pass blocker and all were also road graders.
Today? None I can think of, but over time?
Munoz... Ogden... Pace... Jones... All were in the same class as Joe as a pass blocker and all were also road graders.
None Correct. JT Wins. You add in his durability playing with dinks and never missing a start compared to list above JT stands alone.
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Today? None I can think of, but over time?
Munoz... Ogden... Pace... Jones... All were in the same class as Joe as a pass blocker and all were also road graders.
None Correct. JT Wins. You add in his durability playing with dinks and never missing a start compared to list above JT stands alone.
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Breaking news Joe Thomas makes 10th consecutive Pro Bowl in 2016, Browns finish 5-11 and ranked 30th in rush ypg.
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Breaking news Joe Thomas makes 10th consecutive Pro Bowl in 2016, Browns finish 5-11 and ranked 30th in rush ypg.
What a dick.Breaking news Joe Thomas makes 10th consecutive Pro Bowl in 2016, Browns finish 5-11 and ranked 30th in rush ypg.
Stop dogging JT it's not his fault everybody else sucks, he doesn't.
What's your point? Joe Thomas isn't contributing to wins?
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What a dick.Breaking news Joe Thomas makes 10th consecutive Pro Bowl in 2016, Browns finish 5-11 and ranked 30th in rush ypg.
Stop dogging JT it's not his fault everybody else sucks, he doesn't.
What's your point? Joe Thomas isn't contributing to wins?
What a dick.
Stop dogging JT it's not his fault everybody else sucks, he doesn't.
What's your point? Joe Thomas isn't contributing to wins?
Not dogging Thomas at all but this team has had a Pro Bowl LT for 8 years and that has gotten them nowhere. They need talent and depth and paying a LT $10 million to pass protect for nobody seems like a waste. Joe deserves to get a shot at winning and I'd wish him well but for the organization to continue to hang their hat on one guy gets the team nowhere.
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So, we should just trade away our most talented players in an effort to get better???
I dont think thats ever happened in the history of the league....
Really, who trades away a sure shot HOFer?.....especially one who loves his team and wants to stay??
And the contract doesnt matter(not a waste).....its not like we are cash strapped or need it for some better talent thats in waiting....
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What a dick.
Stop dogging JT it's not his fault everybody else sucks, he doesn't.
What's your point? Joe Thomas isn't contributing to wins?
Not dogging Thomas at all but this team has had a Pro Bowl LT for 8 years and that has gotten them nowhere. They need talent and depth and paying a LT $10 million to pass protect for nobody seems like a waste. Joe deserves to get a shot at winning and I'd wish him well but for the organization to continue to hang their hat on one guy gets the team nowhere.
Not dogging Thomas at all but this team has had a Pro Bowl LT for 8 years and that has gotten them nowhere. They need talent and depth and paying a LT $10 million to pass protect for nobody seems like a waste. Joe deserves to get a shot at winning and I'd wish him well but for the organization to continue to hang their hat on one guy gets the team nowhere.
If we can get a mildly competent team he'd be a bigger difference maker, I don't think we're that far off from being mildly competent really.
Trading him off for a couple low end picks would probably do us more harm than good regardless.
If he was gone our OL depth basically decreases to 0.
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So, we should just trade away our most talented players in an effort to get better???
I dont think thats ever happened in the history of the league....
Really, who trades away a sure shot HOFer?.....especially one who loves his team and wants to stay??
And the contract doesnt matter(not a waste).....its not like we are cash strapped or need it for some better talent thats in waiting....
A bird in the handSo, we should just trade away our most talented players in an effort to get better???
I dont think thats ever happened in the history of the league....
Really, who trades away a sure shot HOFer?.....especially one who loves his team and wants to stay??
And the contract doesnt matter(not a waste).....its not like we are cash strapped or need it for some better talent thats in waiting....
"You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978 -
So, we should just trade away our most talented players in an effort to get better???
I dont think thats ever happened in the history of the league....
Really, who trades away a sure shot HOFer?.....especially one who loves his team and wants to stay??
And the contract doesnt matter(not a waste).....its not like we are cash strapped or need it for some better talent thats in waiting....
So, we should just trade away our most talented players in an effort to get better???
I dont think thats ever happened in the history of the league....
Really, who trades away a sure shot HOFer?.....especially one who loves his team and wants to stay??
And the contract doesnt matter(not a waste).....its not like we are cash strapped or need it for some better talent thats in waiting....
Player not players. How many teams draft 20 first round picks consecutively and end up with one who actually contributes to the team for five years?
The contract isn't a waste now but if the Browns ever decide to bring in a good FA they have to over pay and as you go forward the picks, if used properly, would certainly help.
Patriots let Welker, Ty Law, Vinateri, Revis, Asanta Samuel & Seymour all go when they were All Pro caliber
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Not dogging Thomas at all but this team has had a Pro Bowl LT for 8 years and that has gotten them nowhere. They need talent and depth and paying a LT $10 million to pass protect for nobody seems like a waste. Joe deserves to get a shot at winning and I'd wish him well but for the organization to continue to hang their hat on one guy gets the team nowhere.
If we can get a mildly competent team he'd be a bigger difference maker, I don't think we're that far off from being mildly competent really.
Trading him off for a couple low end picks would probably do us more harm than good regardless.
If he was gone our OL depth basically decreases to 0.
If we can get a mildly competent team he'd be a bigger difference maker, I don't think we're that far off from being mildly competent really.
Trading him off for a couple low end picks would probably do us more harm than good regardless.
If he was gone our OL depth basically decreases to 0.
This team fucking stinks, mildly competent is 8-8 which seems far fetched until we get the NFC East as the non-conference games
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A bird in the handSo, we should just trade away our most talented players in an effort to get better???
I dont think thats ever happened in the history of the league....
Really, who trades away a sure shot HOFer?.....especially one who loves his team and wants to stay??
And the contract doesnt matter(not a waste).....its not like we are cash strapped or need it for some better talent thats in waiting....
A Pigeon in the hand
Fixed. ok mud yrrrr up..
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If we can get a mildly competent team he'd be a bigger difference maker, I don't think we're that far off from being mildly competent really.
Trading him off for a couple low end picks would probably do us more harm than good regardless.
If he was gone our OL depth basically decreases to 0.
This team fucking stinks, mildly competent is 8-8 which seems far fetched until we get the NFC East as the non-conference games
Getting rid of JT would make us stink harder.This team fucking stinks, mildly competent is 8-8 which seems far fetched until we get the NFC East as the non-conference games
Even if we got a #20 + #45 pick or something odds are against us in replacing what he brings to the table.
He's got 3-5+ more pro bowl years in him, hopefully enough time for us to turn it around.
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Getting rid of JT would make us stink harder.This team fucking stinks, mildly competent is 8-8 which seems far fetched until we get the NFC East as the non-conference games
Even if we got a #20 + #45 pick or something odds are against us in replacing what he brings to the table.
He's got 3-5+ more pro bowl years in him, hopefully enough time for us to turn it around.
Getting rid of JT would make us stink harder.
Even if we got a #20 + #45 pick or something odds are against us in replacing what he brings to the table.
He's got 3-5+ more pro bowl years in him, hopefully enough time for us to turn it around.
The Browns have 3 All Pro OL Thomas, Mack & Bitonio and they draft Erving with the 19th pick. Is the offensive line the best in the NFL? Dominant? Top 5? And please don't give me PFF grades. Tell me what you see, the answer is no.
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So, we should just trade away our most talented players in an effort to get better???
I dont think thats ever happened in the history of the league....
Really, who trades away a sure shot HOFer?.....especially one who loves his team and wants to stay??
And the contract doesnt matter(not a waste).....its not like we are cash strapped or need it for some better talent thats in waiting....
Player not players. How many teams draft 20 first round picks consecutively and end up with one who actually contributes to the team for five years?
The contract isn't a waste now but if the Browns ever decide to bring in a good FA they have to over pay and as you go forward the picks, if used properly, would certainly help.
Patriots let Welker, Ty Law, Vinateri, Revis, Asanta Samuel & Seymour all go when they were All Pro caliber
How many teams draft 20 first round picks consecutively and end up with one who actually contributes to the team for five years?
Patriots let Welker, Ty Law, Vinateri, Revis, Asanta Samuel & Seymour all go when they were All Pro caliber
Even more reason not to trade him....lets see, team misses on every first round pick, almost every year....
So, lets trade our best player for another shot at screwing up the draft.....hey, odds are good well hit with that pick too
And every team lets players "go" in FA, including the Browns(and Pats, amazing)....Call me when they trade their best player.....
Your logic..."that we arent good, so we dont need good players".....just doesn't work...
And the idea that trading a GREAT player so you can draft a PROSPECT is also a very very bad idea....
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