Joe Thomas
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kind of reminds me of the movie the dirty dozen...how many incredible actors were in that movie and it worked because of the writing and directing etc etc. it worked well. if you had a bad script the opposite would have occured...
let me add, if lee marvin were still alive i'd want him as our gm.
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Well, we know which actor in that movie we would want as our running back for sure.
Well, we know which actor in that movie we would want as our running back for sure.
without a doubt....without a doubt
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TC...
Is it wrong to think that there is a lot more unverified reporting these days? That second sources are optional and the need to be first often trumps the need to be right?
Agreed - Joe is no roadgrader, but I figure there is no roadgrader in the NFL, who can also do what Joe does. Surely the abilities are mutually exclusive.
Today? None I can think of, but over time?
Munoz... Ogden... Pace... Jones... All were in the same class as Joe as a pass blocker and all were also road graders.
Today? None I can think of, but over time?
Munoz... Ogden... Pace... Jones... All were in the same class as Joe as a pass blocker and all were also road graders.
None Correct. JT Wins. You add in his durability playing with dinks and never missing a start compared to list above JT stands alone.
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Today? None I can think of, but over time?
Munoz... Ogden... Pace... Jones... All were in the same class as Joe as a pass blocker and all were also road graders.
None Correct. JT Wins. You add in his durability playing with dinks and never missing a start compared to list above JT stands alone.
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Breaking news Joe Thomas makes 10th consecutive Pro Bowl in 2016, Browns finish 5-11 and ranked 30th in rush ypg.
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Breaking news Joe Thomas makes 10th consecutive Pro Bowl in 2016, Browns finish 5-11 and ranked 30th in rush ypg.
What a dick.Breaking news Joe Thomas makes 10th consecutive Pro Bowl in 2016, Browns finish 5-11 and ranked 30th in rush ypg.
Stop dogging JT it's not his fault everybody else sucks, he doesn't.
What's your point? Joe Thomas isn't contributing to wins?
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What a dick.Breaking news Joe Thomas makes 10th consecutive Pro Bowl in 2016, Browns finish 5-11 and ranked 30th in rush ypg.
Stop dogging JT it's not his fault everybody else sucks, he doesn't.
What's your point? Joe Thomas isn't contributing to wins?
What a dick.
Stop dogging JT it's not his fault everybody else sucks, he doesn't.
What's your point? Joe Thomas isn't contributing to wins?
Not dogging Thomas at all but this team has had a Pro Bowl LT for 8 years and that has gotten them nowhere. They need talent and depth and paying a LT $10 million to pass protect for nobody seems like a waste. Joe deserves to get a shot at winning and I'd wish him well but for the organization to continue to hang their hat on one guy gets the team nowhere.
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So, we should just trade away our most talented players in an effort to get better???
I dont think thats ever happened in the history of the league....
Really, who trades away a sure shot HOFer?.....especially one who loves his team and wants to stay??
And the contract doesnt matter(not a waste).....its not like we are cash strapped or need it for some better talent thats in waiting....
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What a dick.
Stop dogging JT it's not his fault everybody else sucks, he doesn't.
What's your point? Joe Thomas isn't contributing to wins?
Not dogging Thomas at all but this team has had a Pro Bowl LT for 8 years and that has gotten them nowhere. They need talent and depth and paying a LT $10 million to pass protect for nobody seems like a waste. Joe deserves to get a shot at winning and I'd wish him well but for the organization to continue to hang their hat on one guy gets the team nowhere.
Not dogging Thomas at all but this team has had a Pro Bowl LT for 8 years and that has gotten them nowhere. They need talent and depth and paying a LT $10 million to pass protect for nobody seems like a waste. Joe deserves to get a shot at winning and I'd wish him well but for the organization to continue to hang their hat on one guy gets the team nowhere.
If we can get a mildly competent team he'd be a bigger difference maker, I don't think we're that far off from being mildly competent really.
Trading him off for a couple low end picks would probably do us more harm than good regardless.
If he was gone our OL depth basically decreases to 0.
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So, we should just trade away our most talented players in an effort to get better???
I dont think thats ever happened in the history of the league....
Really, who trades away a sure shot HOFer?.....especially one who loves his team and wants to stay??
And the contract doesnt matter(not a waste).....its not like we are cash strapped or need it for some better talent thats in waiting....
A bird in the handSo, we should just trade away our most talented players in an effort to get better???
I dont think thats ever happened in the history of the league....
Really, who trades away a sure shot HOFer?.....especially one who loves his team and wants to stay??
And the contract doesnt matter(not a waste).....its not like we are cash strapped or need it for some better talent thats in waiting....
"You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978 -
So, we should just trade away our most talented players in an effort to get better???
I dont think thats ever happened in the history of the league....
Really, who trades away a sure shot HOFer?.....especially one who loves his team and wants to stay??
And the contract doesnt matter(not a waste).....its not like we are cash strapped or need it for some better talent thats in waiting....
So, we should just trade away our most talented players in an effort to get better???
I dont think thats ever happened in the history of the league....
Really, who trades away a sure shot HOFer?.....especially one who loves his team and wants to stay??
And the contract doesnt matter(not a waste).....its not like we are cash strapped or need it for some better talent thats in waiting....
Player not players. How many teams draft 20 first round picks consecutively and end up with one who actually contributes to the team for five years?
The contract isn't a waste now but if the Browns ever decide to bring in a good FA they have to over pay and as you go forward the picks, if used properly, would certainly help.
Patriots let Welker, Ty Law, Vinateri, Revis, Asanta Samuel & Seymour all go when they were All Pro caliber
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Not dogging Thomas at all but this team has had a Pro Bowl LT for 8 years and that has gotten them nowhere. They need talent and depth and paying a LT $10 million to pass protect for nobody seems like a waste. Joe deserves to get a shot at winning and I'd wish him well but for the organization to continue to hang their hat on one guy gets the team nowhere.
If we can get a mildly competent team he'd be a bigger difference maker, I don't think we're that far off from being mildly competent really.
Trading him off for a couple low end picks would probably do us more harm than good regardless.
If he was gone our OL depth basically decreases to 0.
If we can get a mildly competent team he'd be a bigger difference maker, I don't think we're that far off from being mildly competent really.
Trading him off for a couple low end picks would probably do us more harm than good regardless.
If he was gone our OL depth basically decreases to 0.
This team fucking stinks, mildly competent is 8-8 which seems far fetched until we get the NFC East as the non-conference games
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A bird in the handSo, we should just trade away our most talented players in an effort to get better???
I dont think thats ever happened in the history of the league....
Really, who trades away a sure shot HOFer?.....especially one who loves his team and wants to stay??
And the contract doesnt matter(not a waste).....its not like we are cash strapped or need it for some better talent thats in waiting....
A Pigeon in the hand
Fixed. ok mud yrrrr up..
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If we can get a mildly competent team he'd be a bigger difference maker, I don't think we're that far off from being mildly competent really.
Trading him off for a couple low end picks would probably do us more harm than good regardless.
If he was gone our OL depth basically decreases to 0.
This team fucking stinks, mildly competent is 8-8 which seems far fetched until we get the NFC East as the non-conference games
Getting rid of JT would make us stink harder.This team fucking stinks, mildly competent is 8-8 which seems far fetched until we get the NFC East as the non-conference games
Even if we got a #20 + #45 pick or something odds are against us in replacing what he brings to the table.
He's got 3-5+ more pro bowl years in him, hopefully enough time for us to turn it around.
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Getting rid of JT would make us stink harder.This team fucking stinks, mildly competent is 8-8 which seems far fetched until we get the NFC East as the non-conference games
Even if we got a #20 + #45 pick or something odds are against us in replacing what he brings to the table.
He's got 3-5+ more pro bowl years in him, hopefully enough time for us to turn it around.
Getting rid of JT would make us stink harder.
Even if we got a #20 + #45 pick or something odds are against us in replacing what he brings to the table.
He's got 3-5+ more pro bowl years in him, hopefully enough time for us to turn it around.
The Browns have 3 All Pro OL Thomas, Mack & Bitonio and they draft Erving with the 19th pick. Is the offensive line the best in the NFL? Dominant? Top 5? And please don't give me PFF grades. Tell me what you see, the answer is no.
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So, we should just trade away our most talented players in an effort to get better???
I dont think thats ever happened in the history of the league....
Really, who trades away a sure shot HOFer?.....especially one who loves his team and wants to stay??
And the contract doesnt matter(not a waste).....its not like we are cash strapped or need it for some better talent thats in waiting....
Player not players. How many teams draft 20 first round picks consecutively and end up with one who actually contributes to the team for five years?
The contract isn't a waste now but if the Browns ever decide to bring in a good FA they have to over pay and as you go forward the picks, if used properly, would certainly help.
Patriots let Welker, Ty Law, Vinateri, Revis, Asanta Samuel & Seymour all go when they were All Pro caliber
How many teams draft 20 first round picks consecutively and end up with one who actually contributes to the team for five years?
Patriots let Welker, Ty Law, Vinateri, Revis, Asanta Samuel & Seymour all go when they were All Pro caliber
Even more reason not to trade him....lets see, team misses on every first round pick, almost every year....
So, lets trade our best player for another shot at screwing up the draft.....hey, odds are good well hit with that pick too
And every team lets players "go" in FA, including the Browns(and Pats, amazing)....Call me when they trade their best player.....
Your logic..."that we arent good, so we dont need good players".....just doesn't work...
And the idea that trading a GREAT player so you can draft a PROSPECT is also a very very bad idea....
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Getting rid of JT would make us stink harder.
Even if we got a #20 + #45 pick or something odds are against us in replacing what he brings to the table.
He's got 3-5+ more pro bowl years in him, hopefully enough time for us to turn it around.
The Browns have 3 All Pro OL Thomas, Mack & Bitonio and they draft Erving with the 19th pick. Is the offensive line the best in the NFL? Dominant? Top 5? And please don't give me PFF grades. Tell me what you see, the answer is no.
The Browns have 3 All Pro OL Thomas, Mack & Bitonio and they draft Erving with the 19th pick. Is the offensive line the best in the NFL? Dominant? Top 5? And please don't give me PFF grades. Tell me what you see, the answer is no.
I don't see too many weaknesses with the OL, we have some lapses with the interior OL and very few with the outside.
Fullback that can't block, RB that can't see the hole, too long for pass plays to develop. There's far bigger issues than the OLine happening that makes them look worse than they are.
Hoyer used to sit back there very comfortably but he was a guy with a quick release and quick decision most of the time - alters perception a little.
For running we have no capable lead blockers, and our best back doesn't get the bulk of the carries.
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How many teams draft 20 first round picks consecutively and end up with one who actually contributes to the team for five years?
Patriots let Welker, Ty Law, Vinateri, Revis, Asanta Samuel & Seymour all go when they were All Pro caliber
Even more reason not to trade him....lets see, team misses on every first round pick, almost every year....
So, lets trade our best player for another shot at screwing up the draft.....hey, odds are good well hit with that pick too
And every team lets players "go" in FA, including the Browns(and Pats, amazing)....Call me when they trade their best player.....
Your logic..."that we arent good, so we dont need good players".....just doesn't work...
And the idea that trading a GREAT player so you can draft a PROSPECT is also a very very bad idea....
Even more reason not to trade him....lets see, team misses on every first round pick, almost every year....
So, lets trade our best player for another shot at screwing up the draft.....hey, odds are good well hit with that pick too
And every team lets players "go" in FA, including the Browns(and Pats, amazing)....Call me when they trade their best player.....
Your logic..."that we arent good, so we dont need good players".....just doesn't work...
And the idea that trading a GREAT player so you can draft a PROSPECT is also a very very bad idea....
It has nothing to do with not needing good players. It has to do with trying to get more good players when your great one doesn't really make a difference. Joe Thomas has been great for 8 years, the Browns have one season where they won more than 5 games. Trent Williams another great left tackle Redskins have won more than 6 games once since he came on the scene. Love the blind side but unfortunately you need really good skill players. I guarantee you most NFL fans don't know how good Whitworth for the Bengals is or who plays LT for the Packers and Patriots.
Joe is great, doesn't deserve to be on a loser but being sentimental when the team has a lot of deficiencies may not work.
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The Browns have 3 All Pro OL Thomas, Mack & Bitonio and they draft Erving with the 19th pick. Is the offensive line the best in the NFL? Dominant? Top 5? And please don't give me PFF grades. Tell me what you see, the answer is no.
I don't see too many weaknesses with the OL, we have some lapses with the interior OL and very few with the outside.
Fullback that can't block, RB that can't see the hole, too long for pass plays to develop. There's far bigger issues than the OLine happening that makes them look worse than they are.
Hoyer used to sit back there very comfortably but he was a guy with a quick release and quick decision most of the time - alters perception a little.
For running we have no capable lead blockers, and our best back doesn't get the bulk of the carries.
I don't see too many weaknesses with the OL, we have some lapses with the interior OL and very few with the outside.
Fullback that can't block, RB that can't see the hole, too long for pass plays to develop. There's far bigger issues than the OLine happening that makes them look worse than they are.
Hoyer used to sit back there very comfortably but he was a guy with a quick release and quick decision most of the time - alters perception a little.
For running we have no capable lead blockers, and our best back doesn't get the bulk of the carries.
Bitonio is T2 OL player and Thomas is T9 for penalties at 7 & 5 respectively.
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