Jonathan Paul Manziel
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If staying in the,pocket is so damn important then why is Josh McCown a broken battered man!
If staying in the,pocket is so damn important then why is Josh McCown a broken battered man!
^ don't ya know we're great at qb protection, damn worst in the NFL.
Post game commentary on NFL Network just crushed Pettine's comments. Faulk brought it up and basically said that keeping JM in the pocket is exactly what Cincy wanted, and they got it. JM was doing his thing, the thing that made him who he was at A&M, and Pettine is trying to force JM not to be Manziel. Fuck Pettine at this point in time.
Agreed. Pettine is (like many Browns coaches before him) trying to force square pegs into round holes. MHO- Mike is digging his grave, and fast.
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Post game commentary on NFL Network just crushed Pettine's comments. Faulk brought it up and basically said that keeping JM in the pocket is exactly what Cincy wanted, and they got it. JM was doing his thing, the thing that made him who he was at A&M, and Pettine is trying to force JM not to be Manziel. Fuck Pettine at this point in time.
I was watching Eisen, Faulk, Irvin and had to agree. They compared Manziel's style to Russell Wilson and actually stuck up for him. They also stated that a lot of teams would use his talents and love to have him. Pettine has to make a decision going forward. Play him or trade him. Don't do what Cowher said and cut him. Teams like Dallas, Detroit, Chicago, Texas would be happy to develop his talents.Post game commentary on NFL Network just crushed Pettine's comments. Faulk brought it up and basically said that keeping JM in the pocket is exactly what Cincy wanted, and they got it. JM was doing his thing, the thing that made him who he was at A&M, and Pettine is trying to force JM not to be Manziel. Fuck Pettine at this point in time.
Our defense did not keep us in the game and that's why we lost. On a short week I thought Manziel was fine. And the dropped passes didn't help. But he does bring a whole new dimension to the game and it's fun to watch.
De Filiipo should have stuck with Crowell and Johnson after the half also. Basically, we need more experience at the coaching level because you can't think we need 53 new players.
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The positives:
- Energy - especially evident in barking out the playcall in the huddle.
- Command - see above, really took charge; not one delay of game.
- Mechanics - pretty solid... even on the run, but got into a back-foot mode for a bit in the 2nd half and most sailed high.
- Controlled - until the very end, when shots were mandatory, he never put the ball in danger.
- Poise - in-game and post-game in his presser... in the latter his self-evaluation seemed a great deal more objective than much of what is floating around here.
- Scrambling - yes, when called for, it's an asset..
- Bailing - ... but when scrambling is premature, it costs reads...
- Touch - all fast balls, a couple fed drops by players too close for fast balls, need to control the adrenaline.
- Missed reads - three of his best plays were throws on the run after bailing to the very players (MJ, Barn and Duke) he missed early while in the pocket.
JM was good and certainly better than a year ago by a mile, but still not anywhere good enough.
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Well I guess so. At least Dwayne Bowe caught a pass. This is the first whole game I got to see. We can't get a football package unless you have a dish. Our condo doesn't allow dishes. So Red Zone is all I get usually. I love the Browns no matter what. Think Pettine is too critical and should just let Manziel play. The defense needs to get better but think it's the scheme. They were so much better last year before injuries. Other than that to quote Farmer "there is light at the end of the tunnel"
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The positives:
- Energy - especially evident in barking out the playcall in the huddle.
- Command - see above, really took charge; not one delay of game.
- Mechanics - pretty solid... even on the run, but got into a back-foot mode for a bit in the 2nd half and most sailed high.
- Controlled - until the very end, when shots were mandatory, he never put the ball in danger.
- Poise - in-game and post-game in his presser... in the latter his self-evaluation seemed a great deal more objective than much of what is floating around here.
- Scrambling - yes, when called for, it's an asset..
- Bailing - ... but when scrambling is premature, it costs reads...
- Touch - all fast balls, a couple fed drops by players too close for fast balls, need to control the adrenaline.
- Missed reads - three of his best plays were throws on the run after bailing to the very players (MJ, Barn and Duke) he missed early while in the pocket.
JM was good and certainly better than a year ago by a mile, but still not anywhere good enough.
It is how JM addresses the last negative that will determine his future. The three plays I mention are the only three I know are valid. I suspect that there are more. I suspect Pet already knows there are more.JM was good and certainly better than a year ago by a mile, but still not anywhere good enough.
Think thats all pretty fair.
Would you keep playing him even if Josh is healthy at this point?
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He's a career backup at best.
He sees things too late and he has no touch.
He's too damn short and useless in the pocket.
Start McCown, he's better.
Z
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Manziel is OK. McCown is better.
I'm disappointed
Take the damn 6 pack
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So you are saying to keep McCown in for the rest of the year. Then what? Why not play Manziel and let the fans at least have that. 2-7 isn't going out on a limb playing the young QB
So you are saying to keep McCown in for the rest of the year. Then what? Why not play Manziel and let the fans at least have that. 2-7 isn't going out on a limb playing the young QB
Then what?
Start him again next year with a better team around him.
McCown is pretty good. Most of the rest of the team sucks.
Z
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Johnny looked very good, I thought. He was not even close to being the cause for the loss. He made several good throws that were dropped, and he's working with a mediocre at best receiving corp.
I agree, McCown is better right now, but neither can overcome the other deficiencies of this team. I think it would be smart to keep playing Johnny for this season to see if he can build on this - it's his 4th start.
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Manziel faired well tonight
That defense, even with Haden and Quitner, still would've gotten torched.
Farmer sucks also.
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The only way Johnny gets better is if he plays. He has shown he can recognize his mistakes both on and off the field and address them. We need to let him play, take the growing pains, and see if he improves enough to be considered the future.
My biggest concern is about the missed reads. Is he missing them because he is too short to see over the line or because he just isn't going through his progressions.
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Not sure how you can say JFF "blows" when he is playing with next to nothing.
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Fuck Marshall Faulk, Eisen & the whole damn band of nfl network. "I know it all cause I was great in my time so let me tell you how its done & then flip flop" Fucks. All these fucks have spent plenty of time in a pocket themselves, Fuck you.. Pet was handed a Flip playbook & stated he wanted more involved in the offense.(stick to your fucked D issues) All your roster QB's run designed to be on time patterns. When the play gets extended Pet calls the play broken if it is not designed. We know it as Johnny Football & Johnny cant be Johnny with this staff. If you design a roll out it is designed to be protected, that what Pet wants. Call it what you want but the D is losing games & soon Jobs..
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