Anyone getting warmer on Bosa after last night?
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Drafting Joey Bosa, IMO, would make us Houston Texans 2.0, one REALLY GOOD defensive end and a terrible incompetent offense.
Drafting Joey Bosa, IMO, would make us Houston Texans 2.0, one REALLY GOOD defensive end and a terrible incompetent offense.
Look if there was a really good QB out there this year, fine. But there isn't....not anyone we should be wasting what is on track to be a top 5 pick. We can't miss this year. We need a "dogg" on defense. A guy like bosa who can generate that kind of game changing pressure on the edge will open up so much for the rest of the front line. We might actually be able to stop the run with mostly our front 4, and that would be huge. Ohio State does this, look at opposition running plays....they run like once a game to Bosa's side. And he STILL slides down the line and makes tackles in the run game before the RB cross the LOS. It's fucking sick. His run stopping is almost more salivating to me than the rushing. We can find rush specialists, but those guys leave big holes in the front that offenses can exploit.
What some of you may not realize is what we can do with our LB'ers if we had a fundamentally sound defensive front that at the very least slowed the run game enough to allow the LB'ers to play with a little more depth. As our defense stands right now, I would play our LB'ers almost damn near up the DL's asses. That's how bad I think our LB'ing play is. Maybe if we played them closer to the LOS they could not just get to the gaps quicker but maybe also pick the right ones every now and then. They're not reading shit right for some reason. LB'ers like what Carolina have play with serious depth because they can still flash up and seemingly always hit the right holes. I don't know if that's all scheme or all talent. Just don't know anymore. But which one of our LB'ers can trail a TE in a post route like Kuechly? Not only is Kuechly one of the best run stoppers in the NFL, he's freakin all over the place in coverage and damn near pulls in an INT or two a game. Dude's hands are always around the ball if it goes over the middle.
To emphasize, Kuechly would not be able to do that if his line was as bad as ours. That line is not just pass rushing, they are active as fuck in the run game and it allows Carolina to do some remarkable things in pass protection. This is why I like Bosa so much, his instincts in run defense are just freakish.
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Drafting Joey Bosa, IMO, would make us Houston Texans 2.0, one REALLY GOOD defensive end and a terrible incompetent offense.
Look if there was a really good QB out there this year, fine. But there isn't....not anyone we should be wasting what is on track to be a top 5 pick. We can't miss this year. We need a "dogg" on defense. A guy like bosa who can generate that kind of game changing pressure on the edge will open up so much for the rest of the front line. We might actually be able to stop the run with mostly our front 4, and that would be huge. Ohio State does this, look at opposition running plays....they run like once a game to Bosa's side. And he STILL slides down the line and makes tackles in the run game before the RB cross the LOS. It's fucking sick. His run stopping is almost more salivating to me than the rushing. We can find rush specialists, but those guys leave big holes in the front that offenses can exploit.
What some of you may not realize is what we can do with our LB'ers if we had a fundamentally sound defensive front that at the very least slowed the run game enough to allow the LB'ers to play with a little more depth. As our defense stands right now, I would play our LB'ers almost damn near up the DL's asses. That's how bad I think our LB'ing play is. Maybe if we played them closer to the LOS they could not just get to the gaps quicker but maybe also pick the right ones every now and then. They're not reading shit right for some reason. LB'ers like what Carolina have play with serious depth because they can still flash up and seemingly always hit the right holes. I don't know if that's all scheme or all talent. Just don't know anymore. But which one of our LB'ers can trail a TE in a post route like Kuechly? Not only is Kuechly one of the best run stoppers in the NFL, he's freakin all over the place in coverage and damn near pulls in an INT or two a game. Dude's hands are always around the ball if it goes over the middle.
To emphasize, Kuechly would not be able to do that if his line was as bad as ours. That line is not just pass rushing, they are active as fuck in the run game and it allows Carolina to do some remarkable things in pass protection. This is why I like Bosa so much, his instincts in run defense are just freakish.
What some of you may not realize is what we can do with our LB'ers if we had a fundamentally sound defensive front that at the very least slowed the run game enough to allow the LB'ers to play with a little more depth. As our defense stands right now, I would play our LB'ers almost damn near up the DL's asses. That's how bad I think our LB'ing play is. Maybe if we played them closer to the LOS they could not just get to the gaps quicker but maybe also pick the right ones every now and then. They're not reading shit right for some reason. LB'ers like what Carolina have play with serious depth because they can still flash up and seemingly always hit the right holes. I don't know if that's all scheme or all talent. Just don't know anymore. But which one of our LB'ers can trail a TE in a post route like Kuechly? Not only is Kuechly one of the best run stoppers in the NFL, he's freakin all over the place in coverage and damn near pulls in an INT or two a game. Dude's hands are always around the ball if it goes over the middle.
I'm not against picking Bosa. I just think our LBs stink, and they have for years. Kirksey shows some promise, Robertson isn't too bad. Dansby gives it his all, but his better days are behind him.
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I know that was a shit O line from Mn, but did anyone see him breaking up passes in coverage? C'mon this kid is an athletic freak along with possibly the soundest fundamentals I've ever seen from a college kid.
I know that was a shit O line from Mn, but did anyone see him breaking up passes in coverage? C'mon this kid is an athletic freak along with possibly the soundest fundamentals I've ever seen from a college kid.
He is a freak and he gave me a first impression of WOW as a freshman. Like Phil Taylor and Gerrard Warren, his talent isn't the worry - it's how frequently he chooses to apply it especially if we're going to be drafting in the top 5.
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and the crowd who was cheering 'FAIL FOR CARDALE' has suddenly been quiet.
chirp. chirp.
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and the crowd who was cheering 'FAIL FOR CARDALE' has suddenly been quiet.
chirp. chirp.
I can't stand Cardale. He might be a nice kid i'm not saying anything personally about him, but i'm getting that Weedon like irritation watching him play. Yeah it's not Weedon bad, but i'm seeing so many plays left on the field. If we had to play in the playoffs next week I don't think we'd make it out of the 1st round with him as the QB. Defense' will do what Alabama did to LSU on Saturday, they absolutely sold out on stopping Fournette and dared LSU's QB to beat them. He could not. This is "exactly" what teams are going to do to us with Cardale as the QB, they will do everything they can to stop or contain Elliot. If we had to play, say Alabama next weekend....it would be a defensive struggle but in the end I see our D tiring out before their D cause we'll be on the field longer.
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and the crowd who was cheering 'FAIL FOR CARDALE' has suddenly been quiet.
chirp. chirp.
I can't stand Cardale. He might be a nice kid i'm not saying anything personally about him, but i'm getting that Weedon like irritation watching him play. Yeah it's not Weedon bad, but i'm seeing so many plays left on the field. If we had to play in the playoffs next week I don't think we'd make it out of the 1st round with him as the QB. Defense' will do what Alabama did to LSU on Saturday, they absolutely sold out on stopping Fournette and dared LSU's QB to beat them. He could not. This is "exactly" what teams are going to do to us with Cardale as the QB, they will do everything they can to stop or contain Elliot. If we had to play, say Alabama next weekend....it would be a defensive struggle but in the end I see our D tiring out before their D cause we'll be on the field longer.
I can't stand Cardale. He might be a nice kid i'm not saying anything personally about him, but i'm getting that Weedon like irritation watching him play.
Yep....he doesnt look good to me, at all.....just stiff, awkward, hesitant, etc....
Didnt see it last year and dont see it now......
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We need to fail for somebody. The more we fail, the better position we put ourselves to get our choice. Not that we wont fuck it up though. There seems to be some very interesting QB prospects in this draft. There are a handful of guys with NFL size and arm strength and Im thinking we should draft two. Between Lynch, Cook, Wentz, Hackenburg, Kiel, Brissett, Kessler, and Jones there is some real potential in this group.
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I know that was a shit O line from Mn, but did anyone see him breaking up passes in coverage? C'mon this kid is an athletic freak along with possibly the soundest fundamentals I've ever seen from a college kid.
He is a freak and he gave me a first impression of WOW as a freshman. Like Phil Taylor and Gerrard Warren, his talent isn't the worry - it's how frequently he chooses to apply it especially if we're going to be drafting in the top 5.
He is a freak and he gave me a first impression of WOW as a freshman. Like Phil Taylor and Gerrard Warren, his talent isn't the worry - it's how frequently he chooses to apply it especially if we're going to be drafting in the top 5.
Did you have any issues with his application last year? This is a draft year, he's peddling. Which is ok. He's got millions of dollars waiting for him, he doesn't want to Clowney himself.
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What some of you may not realize is what we can do with our LB'ers if we had a fundamentally sound defensive front that at the very least slowed the run game enough to allow the LB'ers to play with a little more depth. As our defense stands right now, I would play our LB'ers almost damn near up the DL's asses. That's how bad I think our LB'ing play is. Maybe if we played them closer to the LOS they could not just get to the gaps quicker but maybe also pick the right ones every now and then. They're not reading shit right for some reason. LB'ers like what Carolina have play with serious depth because they can still flash up and seemingly always hit the right holes. I don't know if that's all scheme or all talent. Just don't know anymore. But which one of our LB'ers can trail a TE in a post route like Kuechly? Not only is Kuechly one of the best run stoppers in the NFL, he's freakin all over the place in coverage and damn near pulls in an INT or two a game. Dude's hands are always around the ball if it goes over the middle.
I'm not against picking Bosa. I just think our LBs stink, and they have for years. Kirksey shows some promise, Robertson isn't too bad. Dansby gives it his all, but his better days are behind him.
I'm not against picking Bosa. I just think our LBs stink, and they have for years. Kirksey shows some promise, Robertson isn't too bad. Dansby gives it his all, but his better days are behind him.
I would have to see the next Raw Lewis to even contemplate taking a LB'er over Bosa even though it's as big of a need. I say that cause I think we're looking at the next JJ Watt in Bosa, except he's further along at this stage than Watt was coming out. Of course he has to develop like Watt did, and that remains to be seen. But he does everything....his run defense is miles beyond what Watt was at this early stage in their careers.
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Id say he surely isnt another Clowney....its pretty clear that he's a player who loves the game and has football in his blood.....
Clowney?.....not so much.....
Id say he surely isnt another Clowney....its pretty clear that he's a player who loves the game and has football in his blood.....
Clowney?.....not so much.....
well unfortunately we'll never know that for sure. Dude got nicked stepping into a divot on the field. I still think he's going to be one of the better defensive players in the NFL at some point, it just remains to be seen how long he wants to stay there. I agree with you on Bosa though. I just hope Pettine isn't arrogant enough to say nope, he doesn't fit "my" scheme. Fuck your scheme. Bosa is the kind of player you adjust your scheme for. You like DE's covering post routes? Ok fine, but get over it and draft this kid as a "DL"
I'm hoping we can offload Kruger next year, if we can and drafted Bosa...we could run a base 4-3 with the Bryants starting and Bosa backing them up. We can also keep Mingo and Orchard around for games we want to run more 3-4 looks and cycle the Bryants and Bosa around the 5 tech. This is the defense we should be running. Oh and go back to 1 gap.
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Spend a #1 on a back up?
and the crowd who was cheering 'FAIL FOR CARDALE' has suddenly been quiet.
Don't have to Fail for him anymore... or any more...
Id say he surely isnt another Clowney....its pretty clear that he's a player who loves the game and has football in his blood.....
Also not another Watt... As discussed last year he does not have JJ's explosive burst. Even without that as a 4-3 DE... absolutely have to consider taking him.
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and the crowd who was cheering 'FAIL FOR CARDALE' has suddenly been quiet.
chirp. chirp.
I can't stand Cardale. He might be a nice kid i'm not saying anything personally about him, but i'm getting that Weedon like irritation watching him play. Yeah it's not Weedon bad, but i'm seeing so many plays left on the field. If we had to play in the playoffs next week I don't think we'd make it out of the 1st round with him as the QB. Defense' will do what Alabama did to LSU on Saturday, they absolutely sold out on stopping Fournette and dared LSU's QB to beat them. He could not. This is "exactly" what teams are going to do to us with Cardale as the QB, they will do everything they can to stop or contain Elliot. If we had to play, say Alabama next weekend....it would be a defensive struggle but in the end I see our D tiring out before their D cause we'll be on the field longer.
I can't stand Cardale. He might be a nice kid i'm not saying anything personally about him, but i'm getting that Weedon like irritation watching him play. Yeah it's not Weedon bad, but i'm seeing so many plays left on the field. If we had to play in the playoffs next week I don't think we'd make it out of the 1st round with him as the QB. Defense' will do what Alabama did to LSU on Saturday, they absolutely sold out on stopping Fournette and dared LSU's QB to beat them. He could not. This is "exactly" what teams are going to do to us with Cardale as the QB, they will do everything they can to stop or contain Elliot. If we had to play, say Alabama next weekend....it would be a defensive struggle but in the end I see our D tiring out before their D cause we'll be on the field longer.
To me it's simply that the pressure got to him. I do honestly think he's a great football player, and he showed it last season. BUT you gotta sit there and realize he knew he was the man as the other two guys were hurt. If that was the case this year, I actually believe he would be playing better. It wasn't though and it made him do things anxious QB's do-throw high, behind etc. I'm glad he didn't but he should have left for the draft last year unfortunately. I do think he's a good teammate though which is refreshing.
As for Bosa, can't say I'd be unhappy with that pick. He's got everything you look for in a DE and his upside is huge in the NFL.
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Agree on the Cardale psyche... when he was the only option he flourished. This year as one of at least two options... not so much. Very Hoyer-esque... and that is not a good thing.
Could he grow out of it? Could he gain unshakable confidence? Maybe... but at a minimum it sure sounds suited to be a backup...
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Agree on the Cardale psyche... when he was the only option he flourished. This year as one of at least two options... not so much. Very Hoyer-esque... and that is not a good thing.
Could he grow out of it? Could he gain unshakable confidence? Maybe... but at a minimum it sure sounds suited to be a backup...
Agree on the Cardale psyche... when he was the only option he flourished. This year as one of at least two options... not so much. Very Hoyer-esque... and that is not a good thing.
Could he grow out of it? Could he gain unshakable confidence? Maybe... but at a minimum it sure sounds suited to be a backup...
I also think you can't underestimate how good Tom Herman was as an OC last year. He really played to the strengths of Cardale while it doesn't seem that way this year. Barrett is just days better at running the offense the way it's intended, whereas it was catered to Cardale last year.
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Spend a #1 on a back up?
and the crowd who was cheering 'FAIL FOR CARDALE' has suddenly been quiet.
Don't have to Fail for him anymore... or any more...
Id say he surely isnt another Clowney....its pretty clear that he's a player who loves the game and has football in his blood.....
Also not another Watt... As discussed last year he does not have JJ's explosive burst. Even without that as a 4-3 DE... absolutely have to consider taking him.
Spend a #1 on a back up?
Don't have to Fail for him anymore... or any more...
Also not another Watt... As discussed last year he does not have JJ's explosive burst. Even without that as a 4-3 DE... absolutely have to consider taking him.
i'm not so sure. I think his technique is usually to come off the line slow, read the play...than explode. But there have been situations where he had it in his mind to get around the corner from the get go. And the tackles are diving out to the edge for their lives. I think he's deceptively fast because of how smooth he is.
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Watching Joey force Illinois into double teaming him with a TE, the. Chopping him with a back and on two occasions a triple team.
For all you Retards that think box stats are everything, forcing an offenses hand like that in their blocking scheme means more than you know.
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Watching Joey force Illinois into double teaming him with a TE, the. Chopping him with a back and on two occasions a triple team.
For all you Retards that think box stats are everything, forcing an offenses hand like that in their blocking scheme means more than you know.
Watching Joey force Illinois into double teaming him with a TE, the. Chopping him with a back and on two occasions a triple team.
For all you Retards that think box stats are everything, forcing an offenses hand like that in their blocking scheme means more than you know.
Teams do exactly the same thing against A&M's Miles Garrett. Both will be top 3 draft choices, Bosa 2016 and Garrett 2017.
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Joey was literally schemed to be triple teamed today, that's dominance on the field.
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