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  • L LondonBrown

    He is the real deal, someone on here was very keen on us drafting him and very vocal about it. You were right, we should have.

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    @londonbrown said:

    He is the real deal, someone on here was very keen on us drafting him and very vocal about it. You were right, we should have.

    its not just him. they drafted cooper. this guy is going to be another julio jones. mark my words. and crabtree is playing amazing football. This is an example of drafting well and signing free agents who are good....hello front ofc in cleveland...and yes carr is the real deal...

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    • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg

      My QB wish list from that draft:

      1) Bortles

      2) Carr

      3) Garoppolo

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      @canton-dawg said:

      My QB wish list from that draft:

      1) Bortles

      2) Carr

      3) Garoppolo

      i liked bortles also. I think he is going to be a very very good qb. He already has made some pretty good strides...

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        thenew23T thenew23 wrote on last edited by
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        I liked Carr a year before he even entered the draft. I was hoping wed get him or Bridgewater with our 2nd 1st rounder or or 2nd round pick... Oh well... Im still a fan of his...

        #Justsayin'
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          @osiris said:

          What folks fail to realize is Cleveland could draft the second coming of Tom Brady, Lawrence Taylor, and Jerry Rice and Pettine still would sit them all in favor of more experienced players. Everyone says we just suck at drafting, but what if the real problem is we suck at coaching and developing young players?

          If your talking about not playing John. You are wrong. If anything rushing him into action was worse for him than anything they've done thus year. Doing the same old shit "throw the kid in there to see what he's got" hasn't worked in the past very well. And now everyone wants to bench a guy that can throw for 300+ and multiple TDs at will. Don't get me wrong I don't "LIKE" John M. But the kid is progressing. Maybe not that of a 1st Round talent, but progressing non the less. I feel comfortable letting him at least be backup qb. Beginning of the season I woulda said he couldn't do that even.

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          @cdl15 said:

          If your talking about not playing John. You are wrong. If anything rushing him into action was worse for him than anything they've done thus year. Doing the same old shit "throw the kid in there to see what he's got" hasn't worked in the past very well. And now everyone wants to bench a guy that can throw for 300+ and multiple TDs at will. Don't get me wrong I don't "LIKE" John M. But the kid is progressing. Maybe not that of a 1st Round talent, but progressing non the less. I feel comfortable letting him at least be backup qb. Beginning of the season I woulda said he couldn't do that even.

          I'm not talking about JM, I'm talking about the misguided belief that Derek Carr would've been as good as he is now if Cleveland had drafted him. He wouldn't have been because the Browns haven't shown the ability to properly develop young players or to surround them with the talent to succeed. Suppose the Browns drafted Carr. Who did they draft earlier? Gilbert. What position does Farmer undervalue? Wide Recievers. Who would have Carr thrown to here in Cleveland? Mayle? That guy couldn't even make the roster.

          What you have in the Browns are coaches with a win-now mentality but a roster with lose-now talent. This team needs time to develop but it will never happen if everyone doesn't allow for the growing pains to develop young players.

          "I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta
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            @osiris said:

            What folks fail to realize is Cleveland could draft the second coming of Tom Brady, Lawrence Taylor, and Jerry Rice and Pettine still would sit them all in favor of more experienced players. Everyone says we just suck at drafting, but what if the real problem is we suck at coaching and developing young players?

            If your talking about not playing John. You are wrong. If anything rushing him into action was worse for him than anything they've done thus year. Doing the same old shit "throw the kid in there to see what he's got" hasn't worked in the past very well. And now everyone wants to bench a guy that can throw for 300+ and multiple TDs at will. Don't get me wrong I don't "LIKE" John M. But the kid is progressing. Maybe not that of a 1st Round talent, but progressing non the less. I feel comfortable letting him at least be backup qb. Beginning of the season I woulda said he couldn't do that even.

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            @cdl15 said:

            If your talking about not playing John. You are wrong. If anything rushing him into action was worse for him than anything they've done thus year. Doing the same old shit "throw the kid in there to see what he's got" hasn't worked in the past very well. And now everyone wants to bench a guy that can throw for 300+ and multiple TDs at will. Don't get me wrong I don't "LIKE" John M. But the kid is progressing. Maybe not that of a 1st Round talent, but progressing non the less. I feel comfortable letting him at least be backup qb. Beginning of the season I woulda said he couldn't do that even.

            This is the NFL. Bortles is starting. Carr is starting. Bridgewater is starting. Good bad or ugly those guys are starting.

            Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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              PoeticGP PoeticG wrote on last edited by
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              😊

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              • Browns1216B Browns1216

                Raiders also have Cooper and Crabtree to throw it to

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                @browns1216 said:

                Raiders also have Cooper and Crabtree to throw it to

                True for 2015, but you could see him coming in 2014 when all he had was Jones and Holmes... and a position coach named Flipper.

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                  jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by
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                  Oakland used a shocking formula. Draft a talented, young QB. Let him play a full year so he can get his feet wet. Then draft a badass WR so he has a reliable playmaker. Sign a veteran WR with good size, and great hands. And mix in running the ball.

                  I was screaming for Carr, and the one issue I had was the system he played in. After watching multiple games he played, I wasn't concerned anymore. The reason is that he appeared mature, and appeared that he'd be willing to work. I didn't view Carr as a gamble because he wasn't going to be a top 5 pick or anything, so if you take him in THE SECOND ROUND, it's not as big of a deal if he doesn't work. Carr has size, athletic ability, can throw on the run, and isn't afraid to throw deep routes. The other guy I was screaming for was Bridewater. He was thought to be the most pro ready by many analysts, and while he's not setting the league on fire statistically, he's certainly displaying good promise. Again, he has a running game. That tends to HELP.

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                    Opal312O Opal312 wrote on last edited by
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                    Ditto Ditto Ditto

                    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
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                      😊

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                      @poeticg said:

                      😊

                      You still won't get anybody to give you Colt Mccoy or Trent Richardson though 😉

                      Right now Carr does look like the best QB out of 2014 though.

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                        Oakland used a shocking formula. Draft a talented, young QB. Let him play a full year so he can get his feet wet. Then draft a badass WR so he has a reliable playmaker. Sign a veteran WR with good size, and great hands. And mix in running the ball.

                        I was screaming for Carr, and the one issue I had was the system he played in. After watching multiple games he played, I wasn't concerned anymore. The reason is that he appeared mature, and appeared that he'd be willing to work. I didn't view Carr as a gamble because he wasn't going to be a top 5 pick or anything, so if you take him in THE SECOND ROUND, it's not as big of a deal if he doesn't work. Carr has size, athletic ability, can throw on the run, and isn't afraid to throw deep routes. The other guy I was screaming for was Bridewater. He was thought to be the most pro ready by many analysts, and while he's not setting the league on fire statistically, he's certainly displaying good promise. Again, he has a running game. That tends to HELP.

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                        Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on last edited by
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                        @jiggins7919 said:

                        Oakland used a shocking formula. Draft a talented, young QB. Let him play a full year so he can ..get his feet wet. Then draft a badass WR so he has a reliable playmaker. Sign a veteran WR with good size, and great hands.

                        The Browns almost done it the Oakland way.

                        They drafted a badass WR (Josh Gordon). Then they drafted a QB (Manziel). Then they signed a veteran WR (Dwayne Bowe).

                        Somehow that's not working.

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                        • L LondonBrown

                          It's definitely more than just poor drafting since 99, too many misses for it to be just picking poor players

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                          @londonbrown said:

                          It's definitely more than just poor drafting since 99, too many misses for it to be just picking poor players

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                          I'd agree if we saw a bunch of the dudes we draft do good somewhere else, but that rarely happens. Everyone talked about how Phil Taylor was a surprise cut and he's still sitting on the couch. Go down the list like that and it shows the dudes we drafted just weren't good football players.

                          Exactly- since 1999, how many guys have we cut gone on to have stellar careers elsewhere?

                          The primary problem has been horrendous drafting.The list of our Pro Bowl players of late is mighty short. How good would the Browns defense be right now if we had JJ Watt and Clay Matthews on it? They were both on the board when we picked- and passed. 🙁

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                            L LondonBrown wrote on last edited by
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                            By the time we cut them it's too late, their careers have stanganted too much. It can't just be evaluation, it's almost impossible for it to be the case.

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                              @londonbrown said:

                              It's definitely more than just poor drafting since 99, too many misses for it to be just picking poor players

                              @jrb12711 said:

                              I'd agree if we saw a bunch of the dudes we draft do good somewhere else, but that rarely happens. Everyone talked about how Phil Taylor was a surprise cut and he's still sitting on the couch. Go down the list like that and it shows the dudes we drafted just weren't good football players.

                              Exactly- since 1999, how many guys have we cut gone on to have stellar careers elsewhere?

                              The primary problem has been horrendous drafting.The list of our Pro Bowl players of late is mighty short. How good would the Browns defense be right now if we had JJ Watt and Clay Matthews on it? They were both on the board when we picked- and passed. 🙁

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                              Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on last edited by Canton Dawg
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                              @hoorta said:

                              Exactly- since 1999, how many guys have we cut gone on to have stellar careers elsewhere?

                              The primary problem has been horrendous drafting.The list of our Pro Bowl players of late is mighty short. How good would the Browns defense be right now if we had JJ Watt and Clay Matthews on it? They were both on the board when we picked- and passed. 🙁

                              When it comes down to drafting, a blind monkey throwing darts at a dartboard would do better.
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                                jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by
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                                Canton Dawg...you bring up a good point. What really sucks for us is, even when we do things that look good, they just don't work out. I mean, look at our team at the beginning of the year. We had the same offensive line that started last year so effectively, when we ran the ball down the throat of our opponents, and protected Hoyer well. We had a healthy Crow, a new weapon in Duke, and we figured Gabriel and Hawkins would be the same, if not better. We were going to be better against the run with Shelton, and Mingo and Orchard would help Kruger bring the heat on the qb's. Basically EVERYTHING we tried to do, and thought we'd BE ABLE TO DO, hasn't worked. Nothing is working, and if you ask me, our coach can't comprehend it.

                                I want to start Manziel to give him as much experience as possible, but I also don't think it's fair to him. Just who in the hell is he supposed to throw to? No Miles Austin on 3rd down, and nobody with any size to bail him out on a "50/50 ball".

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                                  @hoorta said:

                                  Exactly- since 1999, how many guys have we cut gone on to have stellar careers elsewhere?

                                  The primary problem has been horrendous drafting.The list of our Pro Bowl players of late is mighty short. How good would the Browns defense be right now if we had JJ Watt and Clay Matthews on it? They were both on the board when we picked- and passed. 🙁

                                  When it comes down to drafting, a blind monkey throwing darts at a dartboard would do better.
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                                  Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                                  @canton-dawg said:

                                  When it comes down to drafting, a blind monkey throwing darts at a dartboard would do better.

                                  Maybe... but that sure as hell ain't working for my College Pick 'Em this year.

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                                    Opal312O Opal312 wrote on last edited by
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                                    My mock draft had Mack and Carr or Bridgewater in 2014. But Carr and Bridgewater would probably still be on the bench. I know nobody saw the Justin Gilbert thing coming.

                                    Right now they have the Browns taking a quarterback in 2016 but I still want Joey Bosa and a wide receiver who is big, strong and can fight off the defender. What good is a QB with a receiving core under 5'8". Every team has a little guy but a whole team,of little guys isn't working.

                                    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
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                                      @hoorta said:

                                      Exactly- since 1999, how many guys have we cut gone on to have stellar careers elsewhere?

                                      The primary problem has been horrendous drafting.The list of our Pro Bowl players of late is mighty short. How good would the Browns defense be right now if we had JJ Watt and Clay Matthews on it? They were both on the board when we picked- and passed. 🙁

                                      When it comes down to drafting, a blind monkey throwing darts at a dartboard would do better.
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                                      @canton-dawg said:

                                      When it comes down to drafting, a blind monkey throwing darts at a dartboard would do better.

                                      I truly believe the Trent Richardson pick will go down as a top ten draft mistake in the history of the NFL- pending on how Manziel does or doesn't pan out. Doubling down, and screwing up twice?

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                                        MasterDogM MasterDog wrote on last edited by MasterDog
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                                        I find it funny how so many hated this guy on this board.

                                        It was Manziel Manziel and more Manziel.

                                        Carr is a stud.

                                        A cornerstone QB for the next decade.

                                        How da hell did we miss him?

                                        2 reasons.

                                        A homeless bum's advice.

                                        And a 'Wreck the league' phone call.

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                                          https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2015/11/10/derek-carr-is-a-top-five-nfl-qb-right-now-and-hes-the-reason-the-raiders-are-a-true-playoff-contender/

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