McCown To Start Vs. Steelers If Healthy
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This is a no brainer.
Start guy who can throw for 300+ and multiple TDs at will..... or...... start a guy that has made strides as reliable backup?
If the Browns are going to win games its going to take the QB to carry this team to victory. McCown is better suited for it. Still waiting for the RBs to break the 40 yrds rushing per game consistently.
This team needs WINS. Not punting and evaluating talent.
This is a no brainer.
Start guy who can throw for 300+ and multiple TDs at will.... and is 1-5 as a starter. or...... start a guy that has made strides as reliable backup? is 1-1 this year as the starter, and we don't know yet if he's our possible QOTF.
If the Browns are going to win games its going to take the QB to carry this team to victory. McCown is better suited for it. and if Pettine is wrong, he's going to get fired at the end of the year. Still waiting for the RBs to break the 40 yrds rushing per game consistently.
This team needs WINS. Not punting and evaluating talent.
I've seen no convincing evidence so far McCown can produce any more wins than Johnny could with this train wreck of a defense, Barnidge & Benji being the only receivers who can get open, and no rushing game to speak of.
It might be laudable to play the guys you think give you the best chance to win, but if you're not winning- seems to me the guys you're playing aren't good enough to accomplish that goal. What's that about insanity- trying the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result? Jim Donovan has it mostly right- Pettine is probably coaching for his job if things don't turn around.
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I can't wait to see McCown get murdered while putting up decent numbers to lose handily in the 2nd half. I actually do believe he gives us the best chance to win as of today, but it doesn't matter. I honestly almost wish Haslam would give his word that Pettine gets a year three so he'd start Manziel to see what we've got as opposed to recycling the same crap.
I can't wait to see McCown get murdered while putting up decent numbers to lose handily in the 2nd half. I actually do believe he gives us the best chance to win as of today, but it doesn't matter.
^+1 Add in maybe throw a pick six, or take around 6 sacks and fumble the ball away twice.
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I'm pretty sure we all know Johnny isn't the QBOTF.
I guess they could let him prove it over the next 7 games, though,
We will be picking 1st or 2nd in the 2016 draft either way, at this point
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http://www.sbnation.com/2015/11/10/9689988/johnny-manziel-browns-film-breakdown-not-ready-to-start
Manziel is not ready and this article will breakdown why he's not. Start McCown when he's ready.
“It is impossible to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding.” -
This is a no brainer.
Start guy who can throw for 300+ and multiple TDs at will.... and is 1-5 as a starter. or...... start a guy that has made strides as reliable backup? is 1-1 this year as the starter, and we don't know yet if he's our possible QOTF.
If the Browns are going to win games its going to take the QB to carry this team to victory. McCown is better suited for it. and if Pettine is wrong, he's going to get fired at the end of the year. Still waiting for the RBs to break the 40 yrds rushing per game consistently.
This team needs WINS. Not punting and evaluating talent.
I've seen no convincing evidence so far McCown can produce any more wins than Johnny could with this train wreck of a defense, Barnidge & Benji being the only receivers who can get open, and no rushing game to speak of.
It might be laudable to play the guys you think give you the best chance to win, but if you're not winning- seems to me the guys you're playing aren't good enough to accomplish that goal. What's that about insanity- trying the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result? Jim Donovan has it mostly right- Pettine is probably coaching for his job if things don't turn around.
I've seen no convincing evidence so far McCown can produce any more wins than Johnny could with this train wreck of a defense, Barnidge & Benji being the only receivers who can get open, and no rushing game to speak of.
It might be laudable to play the guys you think give you the best chance to win, but if you're not winning- seems to me the guys you're playing aren't good enough to accomplish that goal. What's that about insanity- trying the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result? Jim Donovan has it mostly right- Pettine is probably coaching for his job if things don't turn around.
That's all fair and good, except that McCown has performed individually much stronger in his losses than Manziel. If both are losing, then you take the one who performs better - it's that simple. Starting Manziel over McCown would be admitting that this season is a waste, which is an even quicker way to lose your job.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Though right now, McCown isnt even practicing and they are preparing as if Johnny will play......(I think he probably will)...
Could be a little gamesmanship in keeping the Steelers guessing as long as possible.....
This is the best opportunity for the Browns to play him, w/o having to say hes the starter.....
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I've seen no convincing evidence so far McCown can produce any more wins than Johnny could with this train wreck of a defense, Barnidge & Benji being the only receivers who can get open, and no rushing game to speak of.
It might be laudable to play the guys you think give you the best chance to win, but if you're not winning- seems to me the guys you're playing aren't good enough to accomplish that goal. What's that about insanity- trying the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result? Jim Donovan has it mostly right- Pettine is probably coaching for his job if things don't turn around.
That's all fair and good, except that McCown has performed individually much stronger in his losses than Manziel. If both are losing, then you take the one who performs better - it's that simple. Starting Manziel over McCown would be admitting that this season is a waste, which is an even quicker way to lose your job.
That's all fair and good, except that McCown has performed individually much stronger in his losses than Manziel. If both are losing, then you take the one who performs better - it's that simple. Starting Manziel over McCown would be admitting that this season is a waste, which is an even quicker way to lose your job.
The only problem with this though is that McCown has been losing his whole career. I get it, he's been on some lousy teams (us included) but if it smells like shit everywhere around you, it's time to look under your shoe.
We don't know that with Manziel yet. Again, as I noted above McCown probably gives us the best chance to win today. BUT, you will never get better as a player riding the bench. Practice can help a lot sure, but nothing beats in game experience. That's what Manziel doesn't have and McCown has a decent career of. This season is lost, I think we all know that. McCown just puts a prettier bow on the turd sandwich, where Manziel's upside is more at play. It would be admitting the season is gone to play him, but it just is.
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That's all fair and good, except that McCown has performed individually much stronger in his losses than Manziel. If both are losing, then you take the one who performs better - it's that simple. Starting Manziel over McCown would be admitting that this season is a waste, which is an even quicker way to lose your job.
The only problem with this though is that McCown has been losing his whole career. I get it, he's been on some lousy teams (us included) but if it smells like shit everywhere around you, it's time to look under your shoe.
We don't know that with Manziel yet. Again, as I noted above McCown probably gives us the best chance to win today. BUT, you will never get better as a player riding the bench. Practice can help a lot sure, but nothing beats in game experience. That's what Manziel doesn't have and McCown has a decent career of. This season is lost, I think we all know that. McCown just puts a prettier bow on the turd sandwich, where Manziel's upside is more at play. It would be admitting the season is gone to play him, but it just is.
The only problem with this though is that McCown has been losing his whole career. I get it, he's been on some lousy teams (us included) but if it smells like shit everywhere around you, it's time to look under your shoe.
We don't know that with Manziel yet. Again, as I noted above McCown probably gives us the best chance to win today. BUT, you will never get better as a player riding the bench. Practice can help a lot sure, but nothing beats in game experience. That's what Manziel doesn't have and McCown has a decent career of. This season is lost, I think we all know that. McCown just puts a prettier bow on the turd sandwich, where Manziel's upside is more at play. It would be admitting the season is gone to play him, but it just is.
Well, McCown is 18-38 as a starter, which is a .321 win percentage. Manziel is 1-3, or .250....so mathematically McCown is actually more of a winner than Manziel.
The only rationale for playing Manziel is to see if he is your franchise QB, which also means you are giving up on the season....in week 10. That's basically gift-wrapping your head in a box, so I doubt that Pettine et al are looking to do that. Announcing McCown as the conditional starter is the smart choice.
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The only problem with this though is that McCown has been losing his whole career. I get it, he's been on some lousy teams (us included) but if it smells like shit everywhere around you, it's time to look under your shoe.
We don't know that with Manziel yet. Again, as I noted above McCown probably gives us the best chance to win today. BUT, you will never get better as a player riding the bench. Practice can help a lot sure, but nothing beats in game experience. That's what Manziel doesn't have and McCown has a decent career of. This season is lost, I think we all know that. McCown just puts a prettier bow on the turd sandwich, where Manziel's upside is more at play. It would be admitting the season is gone to play him, but it just is.
Well, McCown is 18-38 as a starter, which is a .321 win percentage. Manziel is 1-3, or .250....so mathematically McCown is actually more of a winner than Manziel.
The only rationale for playing Manziel is to see if he is your franchise QB, which also means you are giving up on the season....in week 10. That's basically gift-wrapping your head in a box, so I doubt that Pettine et al are looking to do that. Announcing McCown as the conditional starter is the smart choice.
Well, McCown is 18-38 as a starter, which is a .321 win percentage. Manziel is 1-3, or .250....so mathematically McCown is actually more of a winner than Manziel.
The only rationale for playing Manziel is to see if he is your franchise QB, which also means you are giving up on the season....in week 10. That's basically gift-wrapping your head in a box, so I doubt that Pettine et al are looking to do that. Announcing McCown as the conditional starter is the smart choice.
Firstly, I think we both know comparing 58 instances of events to 4 is fundamentally statistically biased..
I mean I hear what you're saying, I don't even disagree strongly. That's why I noted above I'd almost rather Haslam go to Pettine and let him know he's got a year three no matter the results. There's a good amount of 1st round QB prospects this year and we gotta know if Manziel is the dude or not. It's just pretty unreasonable to make that opinion with 4 games as a body of work.
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Well, McCown is 18-38 as a starter, which is a .321 win percentage. Manziel is 1-3, or .250....so mathematically McCown is actually more of a winner than Manziel.
The only rationale for playing Manziel is to see if he is your franchise QB, which also means you are giving up on the season....in week 10. That's basically gift-wrapping your head in a box, so I doubt that Pettine et al are looking to do that. Announcing McCown as the conditional starter is the smart choice.
Firstly, I think we both know comparing 58 instances of events to 4 is fundamentally statistically biased..
I mean I hear what you're saying, I don't even disagree strongly. That's why I noted above I'd almost rather Haslam go to Pettine and let him know he's got a year three no matter the results. There's a good amount of 1st round QB prospects this year and we gotta know if Manziel is the dude or not. It's just pretty unreasonable to make that opinion with 4 games as a body of work.
Firstly, I think we both know comparing 58 instances of events to 4 is fundamentally statistically biased..
I mean I hear what you're saying, I don't even disagree strongly. That's why I noted above I'd almost rather Haslam go to Pettine and let him know he's got a year three no matter the results. There's a good amount of 1st round QB prospects this year and we gotta know if Manziel is the dude or not. It's just pretty unreasonable to make that opinion with 4 games as a body of work.
I know, the point was to illustrate the "flawed" reasoning behind saying "McCown has always been a loser" as if it were some sort of proof of who should be starting. In a perfect world, what you're suggesting would be the best course of action.
However, we don't have that opportunity. Regardless of the point of the season, it's still a "win now" league. If Manziel didn't clearly show that he should overtake McCown, the coaches have no choice but to let it ride with McCown.
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Firstly, I think we both know comparing 58 instances of events to 4 is fundamentally statistically biased..
I mean I hear what you're saying, I don't even disagree strongly. That's why I noted above I'd almost rather Haslam go to Pettine and let him know he's got a year three no matter the results. There's a good amount of 1st round QB prospects this year and we gotta know if Manziel is the dude or not. It's just pretty unreasonable to make that opinion with 4 games as a body of work.
I know, the point was to illustrate the "flawed" reasoning behind saying "McCown has always been a loser" as if it were some sort of proof of who should be starting. In a perfect world, what you're suggesting would be the best course of action.
However, we don't have that opportunity. Regardless of the point of the season, it's still a "win now" league. If Manziel didn't clearly show that he should overtake McCown, the coaches have no choice but to let it ride with McCown.
I know, the point was to illustrate the "flawed" reasoning behind saying "McCown has always been a loser" as if it were some sort of proof of who should be starting. In a perfect world, what you're suggesting would be the best course of action.
However, we don't have that opportunity. Regardless of the point of the season, it's still a "win now" league. If Manziel didn't clearly show that he should overtake McCown, the coaches have no choice but to let it ride with McCown.
Based on he's a loser train of thinking. We shoulda never got rid of Hoyer.
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@DawgPoundNation: #Browns injury woes are real. Josh McCown, Joe Haden, Donte Whitner, Armonty Bryant and Joel Bitonio all not practicing today.
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Yeah Pettine, start McCown...after all, he's the guy responsible for the total of 3 points we've scored in the last 3 2nd halves combined! If we continue to NOT use Duke, but run Winston in the 2nd half against Pittspuke, maybe we can make up the 55 points scored AGAINST us in those same 3 halves. I have to admit the guy rides a mean stationary bike.
Best chance to win? I'm sorry, but there IS no "best chance to win" without halftime adjustments & dramatic change to this defense.
If I don't laugh, I might explode. Pettine's defense is not just ineffective, it's practically non existent & he seems to REFUSE to address it. It's not just the players.
Mike
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Just cut manziel then and be done with it for Christ's sake. Why keep him? To try and develop him into something he'll never be?
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Fine with me. It's really not the QB position that needs fixing. It's a defense that cannot stop the run, especially in the second half. And an offensive line that had the same second half problem being consistent. Add to that the minions with the dropsies that we call WR's and multimillion $ big guy who could not get open if he came in after hours.
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This is a no brainer.
Start guy who can throw for 300+ and multiple TDs at will..... or...... start a guy that has made strides as reliable backup?
If the Browns are going to win games its going to take the QB to carry this team to victory. McCown is better suited for it. Still waiting for the RBs to break the 40 yrds rushing per game consistently.
This team needs WINS. Not punting and evaluating talent.
This is a no brainer.
Start guy who can throw for 300+ and multiple TDs at will..... or...... start a guy that has made strides as reliable backup?
If the Browns are going to win games its going to take the QB to carry this team to victory. McCown is better suited for it. Still waiting for the RBs to break the 40 yrds rushing per game consistently.
This team needs WINS. Not punting and evaluating talent.
WINS for what this season is all but over WTF this team isn't going anywhere McCown is a veteran stop gap career backup, WINS WE AINT GONNA WINS!
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htownbrown posted an outstanding link on why Manziel should not be starting.. Pretty sure no one here has read it so please do so before posting anymore nonsense..
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http://www.sbnation.com/2015/11/10/9689988/johnny-manziel-browns-film-breakdown-not-ready-to-start
Manziel is not ready and this article will breakdown why he's not. Start McCown when he's ready.
http://www.sbnation.com/2015/11/10/9689988/johnny-manziel-browns-film-breakdown-not-ready-to-start
Manziel is not ready and this article will breakdown why he's not. Start McCown when he's ready.
Great article. Getting the all-22 view certainly makes it easier to recognize a QBs flaws.
I'm not against moving forward with McCown, but it would be nice to see IF Manziel can learn to "pass first" and start reserving his athleticism for only times when he NEEDS it.
Based on what I've seen in my lifetime of watching football, that rarely (maybe never) happens...
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htownbrown posted an outstanding link on why Manziel should not be starting.. Pretty sure no one here has read it so please do so before posting anymore nonsense..
htownbrown posted an outstanding link on why Manziel should not be starting.. Pretty sure no one here has read it so please do so before posting anymore nonsense..
Kind of long, but I read it.
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