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  • So Pettine may have been right on Johnny at halftime

    Count me in as one of those ready to crucify Pettine for his halftime comments on Johnny but this film analysis supports Pettine's statements that Johnny was leaving a lot of plays on the field.

    SB Nation: Johnny Manziel isn't ready to start not even close

    Tour2maT 1 Reply

  • Yes, Pettine was right, and so is Zombo, when it comes to manziel. But I am going to merge this with because the article has already been posted and the other thread is still on the first page.

    Zombo

  • OK, Zombo missed that.

  • Fire O'Neill. Hire whoever the fuck else.

    Ship Manziel and Gordon and a third to Dallas for a first and a second.

    Cut Bowe. Let Mingo walk. Resign Barnidge and Benjamin.

    Draft Paxton Lynch with 1A. Draft Joey Bosa with our 1B. Yup, with our second first rounder.

    Draft Michael Thomas with 2A. Draft Carl Nassib with 2B.

    Trade our fourth and sixth to move up into the third and take Braxton Miller.

    Lose: shitty, undersized QB. Pothead WR.

    Gain: giant, decently mobile QB. Smart WR. Best pass rusher. Second best pass rusher. Braxton Miller.

    There you go.

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    LogicIsForSquaresL 1 Reply
  • Ship Manziel and Gordon and a third to Dallas for a first and a second.

    I really don't think you are getting a 1st and 2nd for a midget QB that no one else wants and a wr that is one toke from a lifetime suspension. Even with the third thrown in.

    But the thought is nice.

    Zombo

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  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    Fire O'Neill. Hire whoever the fuck else.

    Ship Manziel and Gordon and a third to Dallas for a first and a second.

    Cut Bowe. Let Mingo walk. Resign Barnidge and Benjamin.

    Draft Paxton Lynch with 1A. Draft Joey Bosa with our 1B. Yup, with our second first rounder.

    Draft Michael Thomas with 2A. Draft Carl Nassib with 2B.

    Trade our fourth and sixth to move up into the third and take Braxton Miller.

    Lose: shitty, undersized QB. Pothead WR.

    Gain: giant, decently mobile QB. Smart WR. Best pass rusher. Second best pass rusher. Braxton Miller.

    There you go.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Fire O'Neill. Hire whoever the fuck else.

    Ship Manziel and Gordon and a third to Dallas for a first and a second.

    Cut Bowe. Let Mingo walk. Resign Barnidge and Benjamin.

    Draft Paxton Lynch with 1A. Draft Joey Bosa with our 1B. Yup, with our second first rounder.

    Draft Michael Thomas with 2A. Draft Carl Nassib with 2B.

    Trade our fourth and sixth to move up into the third and take Braxton Miller.

    Lose: shitty, undersized QB. Pothead WR.

    Gain: giant, decently mobile QB. Smart WR. Best pass rusher. Second best pass rusher. Braxton Miller.

    There you go.

    That would be pretty excellent.

  • Jerry can have him outfight.. fuck him...

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  • Sell the poor kid to jones. Just get him out of here. The browns office clearly doesnt want him. Getting rid of him then becomes a win win. Take a third. Just get the guy out of cleveland and let him go somewhere else.

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  • Z Zombo
    Ship Manziel and Gordon and a third to Dallas for a first and a second.

    I really don't think you are getting a 1st and 2nd for a midget QB that no one else wants and a wr that is one toke from a lifetime suspension. Even with the third thrown in.

    But the thought is nice.

    Zombo

    Zombo said:

    I really don't think you are getting a 1st and 2nd for a midget QB that no one else wants and a wr that is one toke from a lifetime suspension. Even with the third thrown in.

    But the thought is nice.

    Zombo

    Because my post reeked of logic...

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  • Manziel and Gordon to Dallas for half of their Cheerleaders

  • Just wait until next year when Manziel and Gordon get to finally play together and there is NO WAY you'd give them up for 5 first rounders...

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  • PoeticGP PoeticG

    Just wait until next year when Manziel and Gordon get to finally play together and there is NO WAY you'd give them up for 5 first rounders...

    @poeticg said:

    Just wait until next year when Manziel and Gordon get to finally play together and there is NO WAY you'd give them up for 5 first rounders...

    You used up your luck on Derek Carr.. We don't need another Trent Richardson prediction!

  • M MDDawg

    So Pettine may have been right on Johnny at halftime

    Count me in as one of those ready to crucify Pettine for his halftime comments on Johnny but this film analysis supports Pettine's statements that Johnny was leaving a lot of plays on the field.

    SB Nation: Johnny Manziel isn't ready to start not even close

    @mddawg said:

    So Pettine may have been right on Johnny at halftime

    Count me in as one of those ready to crucify Pettine for his halftime comments on Johnny but this film analysis supports Pettine's statements that Johnny was leaving a lot of plays on the field.

    SB Nation: Johnny Manziel isn't ready to start not even close

    Wow... even I did not think JM was this bad...

    "On almost every one of Manziel's positive passing plays he actually also lost yards. The only passing plays where that wasn't the case were generally the screens that he threw. On plays where he had to actually decide who to throw to based on the route combinations and coverage, Manziel almost inevitably found ways to minimize the offense's production.

    By the end of the game it didn't look like any of his receivers were still running their routes as hard as they had been. Probably because at that point they were no longer expecting him to actually sit in the pocket and go through his reads which made their crisp routes null and void."

    Edit: A couple of the writer's "critiques" are a tad over-the-top, but others are valid.

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  • PoeticGP PoeticG

    Just wait until next year when Manziel and Gordon get to finally play together and there is NO WAY you'd give them up for 5 first rounders...

    @poeticg said:

    Just wait until next year when Manziel and Gordon get to finally play together and there is NO WAY you'd give them up for 5 first rounders...

    They played together last year.

    It was spectacular.

    Z

  • we won't be getting Bosa with no 1B pick. I don't see him dropping out of the top 3. If Blt ends up with the #1 pick, that's likely who they're gonna take. And that is our worst nightmare. Consider if JJ Watt was just even 70% of the player he has been, and he landed somewhere in the North....we would hate his guts .

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  • T The Cysko Kid

    Sell the poor kid to jones. Just get him out of here. The browns office clearly doesnt want him. Getting rid of him then becomes a win win. Take a third. Just get the guy out of cleveland and let him go somewhere else.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Sell the poor kid to jones. Just get him out of here. The browns office clearly doesnt want him. Getting rid of him then becomes a win win. Take a third. Just get the guy out of cleveland and let him go somewhere else.

    My thoughts exactly. If there is any chance Manziel is going to develop into a legit starter, it's not going to be here under Pettine.

    I really don't see Pettine allowing any young QB to take the reigns, so if a trade were to happen be prepared for another two years of McCown vs. new guy controversy.

    When is this cycle ever gonna end? I mean they're closing in on 30 starting QB's since the return, statistics have to be in their favor that they can find a good QB by accident soon right?

  • I think the problem is they no regime ever buckled down and built competent O and D lines. That's why they never enticed an elite QB here nor were able to develop one. We had glimmers throughout the years, I remember Weedon's first year he had 45 seconds to throw the ball. Run blocking sucked but at least they pass protected, than for some reason that pass protection completely fell apart the next year.

    I just don't get it here in Cleveland, we always see something building on either side of the ball but it never lasts more than a season. Other teams build on core competencies they develop, here in Cleveland we do something alright for a season than scrap it. Remember some years ago when we had one of the best secondaries in the NFL, at least in terms of INT's? Remember the one year we had an awesome running game but the next year they scrapped the FB that had a big part to do in said running game? By what he didn't do for other teams Hillis kind of proved he was the product of the system that year. Why wouldn't we try to build on that even with Hillis gone?

  • Remember when Trent goddamn Richardson rushed for damn near a thousand yards and got a dozen TDs?

    C Canton DawgC 2 Replies
  • gftChrisG gftChris

    Remember when Trent goddamn Richardson rushed for damn near a thousand yards and got a dozen TDs?

    @gftchris said:

    Remember when Trent goddamn Richardson rushed for damn near a thousand yards and got a dozen TDs?

    that was all O line, evidently.

  • ^ Coaching staffs change like the weather, and they all want to bring in their guys to run their systems. It's really lack of continuity that kills the team. I think we hit rock bottom after they fired chud. No one worth a damn is going to come here, so now we're stuck.

    I thought Pettine was going to be more flexible after all the talk we heard upon his hiring, but he's starting to look like a stubborn ass who's gonna run his system even if it doesn't work without all the right pieces. With Farmer picking out the pieces who knows if he'll ever get the right ones. I think one of them has to go before the ship really gets righted, and at this point it's got to be less detrimental to part ways with Farmer.

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