Republi-freaks
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What say that one of the parties stands for things that are important to you Okay?
And let's say they oppose things that are very important to you.
If you must give up your ideals so that a party with a particular name is successful why vote?
Because that party no longer has any meaning. Either way.
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As usual Cysko you entirely miss the point why most people in the middle to center left are for abortion. For the sake of argument we're gonna leave out the far left here cause none of us is that. The far left gets accused of being zealot baby killers, like they're annoyed when they see a pregnant woman...why hasn't that been aborted!!! Again for the sake of argument, we're going to assume that's exactly why far left people are pro abortion....cause they love them some baby deaths. But why is most of the country who are predominantly in the middle, more or less still for abortion rights?
I wish some of you conservatives would understand that the VAST majority of people who are pro choice could care less if ZERO abortions happened per year. You all have categorically and intrinsically misunderstood what "pro choice" means to most of America.
As usual Cysko you entirely miss the point why most people in the middle to center left are for abortion. For the sake of argument we're gonna leave out the far left here cause none of us is that. The far left gets accused of being zealot baby killers, like they're annoyed when they see a pregnant woman...why hasn't that been aborted!!! Again for the sake of argument, we're going to assume that's exactly why far left people are pro abortion....cause they love them some baby deaths. But why is most of the country who are predominantly in the middle, more or less still for abortion rights?
I wish some of you conservatives would understand that the VAST majority of people who are pro choice could care less if ZERO abortions happened per year. You all have categorically and intrinsically misunderstood what "pro choice" means to most of America.
Ok well tell us why you support abortions.
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I say go ahead and make it perfectly legal for any reason before the heart starts beating. That's roughly six weeks. After that...you're stuck. Sorry about your luck. Should have acted faster.
I say go ahead and make it perfectly legal for any reason before the heart starts beating. That's roughly six weeks. After that...you're stuck. Sorry about your luck. Should have acted faster.
The majority of the party doesn't go this way - they take the hard line. No abortions period. Not even if you were raped by your dad and the child will be born with down syndrome.
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Well I always felt that in America you could have your own opinions and still vaguely associate with one party or the other.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Well I always felt that in America you could have your own opinions and still vaguely associate with one party or the other.
Well I always felt that in America you could have your own opinions and still vaguely associate with one party or the other.
Yes the party's are always diverse to an extent.
The republicans this year are mostly different in terms of foreign policy, tax plan, etc.
Generally they've been pretty strict on the social stuff, despite the majority of the population shifting left on social issues.
I mean I would vote for a republican despite the fact I support gay marriage, am pro-choice to the extent I described, and pro-recreational weed. But it kind of helps that I'm not gay, not a woman, and don't smoke weed
What say that one of the parties stands for things that are important to you Okay?
And let's say they oppose things that are very important to you.
If you must give up your ideals so that a party with a particular name is successful why vote?
Because that party no longer has any meaning. Either way.
The core ideals of the republicans will shift towards a fiscal conservative approach over worrying so much about social things, IMO.
Party's change their platform all the time - as time goes by things change. The population is shifting left on the social side of things very,very,very fast.
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Well I always felt that in America you could have your own opinions and still vaguely associate with one party or the other.
Well I always felt that in America you could have your own opinions and still vaguely associate with one party or the other.
Sorry buddy, but that "having your own opinion" bullshit doesn't fly here in the hyper-partisan U.S. of A.
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Well I always felt that in America you could have your own opinions and still vaguely associate with one party or the other.
Yes the party's are always diverse to an extent.
The republicans this year are mostly different in terms of foreign policy, tax plan, etc.
Generally they've been pretty strict on the social stuff, despite the majority of the population shifting left on social issues.
I mean I would vote for a republican despite the fact I support gay marriage, am pro-choice to the extent I described, and pro-recreational weed. But it kind of helps that I'm not gay, not a woman, and don't smoke weed
What say that one of the parties stands for things that are important to you Okay?
And let's say they oppose things that are very important to you.
If you must give up your ideals so that a party with a particular name is successful why vote?
Because that party no longer has any meaning. Either way.
The core ideals of the republicans will shift towards a fiscal conservative approach over worrying so much about social things, IMO.
Party's change their platform all the time - as time goes by things change. The population is shifting left on the social side of things very,very,very fast.
Yes the party's are always diverse to an extent.
The republicans this year are mostly different in terms of foreign policy, tax plan, etc.
Generally they've been pretty strict on the social stuff, despite the majority of the population shifting left on social issues.
I mean I would vote for a republican despite the fact I support gay marriage, am pro-choice to the extent I described, and pro-recreational weed. But it kind of helps that I'm not gay, not a woman, and don't smoke weed
The core ideals of the republicans will shift towards a fiscal conservative approach over worrying so much about social things, IMO.
Party's change their platform all the time - as time goes by things change. The population is shifting left on the social side of things very,very,very fast.
And members must decide whether those platforms meet their goals or not.
There's nothing that says the Republican Party has to be fiscally conservative.
If the people want free shito and they lose votes because of that?
WSS
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As usual Cysko you entirely miss the point why most people in the middle to center left are for abortion. For the sake of argument we're gonna leave out the far left here cause none of us is that. The far left gets accused of being zealot baby killers, like they're annoyed when they see a pregnant woman...why hasn't that been aborted!!! Again for the sake of argument, we're going to assume that's exactly why far left people are pro abortion....cause they love them some baby deaths. But why is most of the country who are predominantly in the middle, more or less still for abortion rights?
I wish some of you conservatives would understand that the VAST majority of people who are pro choice could care less if ZERO abortions happened per year. You all have categorically and intrinsically misunderstood what "pro choice" means to most of America.
Ok well tell us why you support abortions.
Ok well tell us why you support abortions.
I support the womans right to do with her body what she feels is right, keep it or abort it....it's between the woman and her god. Has nothing to do with any of us. It's a fundamental inalienable right for all of us to do with our bodies what we choose. If we take that away from women we're slouching towards what i'm currently observing in parts of the middle east. My only hedge is if women start thinking they can carry late terms and abort "for profit". I know people would say well so what, if it's the womans right to choose it's the womans right to choose whether she profits or not.....all I can say is that it starts to fail the sniff test once women get in their minds that they can get pregnant and then late term abort for profit. That's obviously some modern machination where researchers have come to the conclusion that fetal parts are where it' at. That's where I get off the pro choice wagon.
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In the end this is why we need more than two parties. Two parties cannot encompasse all of our beliefs about how this society should be run. Frankly it's a political sham that there isn't a party that caters to center left and a party for center right.
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The ONLY thing I can't stand for is abortion. I don't know how many of you leftys have kids. Probably none of you. But when I look at mine I think their lives and futures are worth fighting for. Most liberals would probably consider fighting for those that can't fight for themselves a noble thing. Unless it comes to an unborn child and then it's "fuck em! Scramble their brains and get em out of here. Their lives are MY CHOICE!"
The ONLY thing I can't stand for is abortion. I don't know how many of you leftys have kids. Probably none of you. But when I look at mine I think their lives and futures are worth fighting for. Most liberals would probably consider fighting for those that can't fight for themselves a noble thing. Unless it comes to an unborn child and then it's "fuck em! Scramble their brains and get em out of here. Their lives are MY CHOICE!"
I have a 20 month old son. I'm pro-choice but not pro abortion and no liberal is pro abortion. What I find most amusing is the pro life crowd isn't really pro-life, you all are pro birth. After a lot of these kids are born the Republicans want to yank the social programs that help support those same kids that may have otherwise been aborted. "You will birth that child and once they are born if you don't have the means you're on your own". Genius.
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In this day and age there's so much available to you in terms of contraception that theres absolutely no reason to justify accidentally getting pregnant. Besides the myriad of contraception there's plan b. And as I've already said id support abortion up until the point the heart starts beating. After that point you're doing something completely immoral. If it were up to me I'd start sex ed and pushing contraception by 5th grade or so especially in impoverished areas. And id make plan b free and hand it out like candy AND I'd offer a monetary reward for voluntary sterilization. Say...a one time stipend of $25,000. And if all else fais I'd support abortion...up to a point.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
In the end this is why we need more than two parties. Two parties cannot encompasse all of our beliefs about how this society should be run. Frankly it's a political sham that there isn't a party that caters to center left and a party for center right.
agree.In the end this is why we need more than two parties. Two parties cannot encompasse all of our beliefs about how this society should be run. Frankly it's a political sham that there isn't a party that caters to center left and a party for center right.
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In this day and age there's so much available to you in terms of contraception that theres absolutely no reason to justify accidentally getting pregnant. Besides the myriad of contraception there's plan b. And as I've already said id support abortion up until the point the heart starts beating. After that point you're doing something completely immoral. If it were up to me I'd start sex ed and pushing contraception by 5th grade or so especially in impoverished areas. And id make plan b free and hand it out like candy AND I'd offer a monetary reward for voluntary sterilization. Say...a one time stipend of $25,000. And if all else fais I'd support abortion...up to a point.
In this day and age there's so much available to you in terms of contraception that theres absolutely no reason to justify accidentally getting pregnant. Besides the myriad of contraception there's plan b. And as I've already said id support abortion up until the point the heart starts beating. After that point you're doing something completely immoral. If it were up to me I'd start sex ed and pushing contraception by 5th grade or so especially in impoverished areas. And id make plan b free and hand it out like candy AND I'd offer a monetary reward for voluntary sterilization. Say...a one time stipend of $25,000. And if all else fais I'd support abortion...up to a point.
Not when idiots want to defund planned parenthood, eliminate sex ed, cut after school programs. You can say wrap it up all you want but a lot of people aren't brought up in the most responsibly sound homes. You hear the "oh it feels like I'm having sex with a plastic bag". Beyond that birth control without social programs to help provide it isn't cheap. It's certainly not cheap for a family supporting itself on say minimum wage and welfare. Abstinence isn't a viable proposal either. Fact of the matter is the pro life movement doesn't give a damn about any of the kids after they are born. Fact.
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I guess if you read and responded to that you could probably guess how I feel about defunding planned parenthood.
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Weed? Smoke up Marley. Who gives a fuck.
Gays? Have at it chummy. Fuck that dude's ass like a champ. Makes no difference to me. You want to get married? Get married. Who cares? I'll make your cake my damn self.
Agree abortion is a platform the republicans can stick to, some of the other stuffs they'll have to toss out in the coming years.
They will likely never outlaw all abortions though, maybe try to take baby steps like only making it legal in the first trimester.
Personally, I'm up for allowing first trimester abortions and leaving the moral choice up to the individual - while continuing to prohibit state+federal gov't funding for them.
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The ONLY thing I can't stand for is abortion. I don't know how many of you leftys have kids. Probably none of you. But when I look at mine I think their lives and futures are worth fighting for. Most liberals would probably consider fighting for those that can't fight for themselves a noble thing. Unless it comes to an unborn child and then it's "fuck em! Scramble their brains and get em out of here. Their lives are MY CHOICE!"
I have a 20 month old son. I'm pro-choice but not pro abortion and no liberal is pro abortion. What I find most amusing is the pro life crowd isn't really pro-life, you all are pro birth. After a lot of these kids are born the Republicans want to yank the social programs that help support those same kids that may have otherwise been aborted. "You will birth that child and once they are born if you don't have the means you're on your own". Genius.
I have a 20 month old son. I'm pro-choice but not pro abortion and no liberal is pro abortion. What I find most amusing is the pro life crowd isn't really pro-life, you all are pro birth. After a lot of these kids are born the Republicans want to yank the social programs that help support those same kids that may have otherwise been aborted. "You will birth that child and once they are born if you don't have the means you're on your own". Genius.
I actually read something about this a few years ago, why this is and it's an interesting theory. I hate to talk about it because it involves some pretty heavy economic principles and I don't want to get it wrong, but the synopsis goes kind of like this.....the way this economy is set up the population HAS to grow. We've always been told that the reason for that is the next generation needs to pay for the last...but it's actually deeper than that, and a bit more cynical according to the article I read some years ago. The necessity for an ever expanding population base has to do with keeping our ballooned monetary structure going. This is where it got complicated and I didn't understand everything I was reading. But basically nobody cares how those children live/grow up....they just need to become citizens that eventually go into some kind of "debt". That debt is what keeps our monetary structure going and has kept the U.S dollar the worlds reserve.
I wish I could get more detailed than that but you're right to an extent, I've heard people like Rick Santorum bemoaning all the black children that have been aborted and actually outright said that the loss of that black population has cost us economically. So it lent credence to the article I had read. Unlike a lot of people I do feel badly for the black culture, a lot of them are stuck in a rut. They grow up in shit families and see no future for themselves, so they follow in the footsteps that have been modeled for them and have children at early ages they have no hope of being able to properly raise. So on the one hand people moan incessantly about all these black babies being aborted then quite literally turn around in the next breath remark on these no good savages running around the inner cities. Well........how do you not see that it doesn't do anyone any good in certain parts of that culture to have more and more children. I've made the conscious choice that i'm never going to be in a position to be a good father in this lifetime so i'm not ever getting married and therefore not having children. But compare me with a lot of black males in the inner city and i'm fucking super dad.
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The ONLY thing I can't stand for is abortion. I don't know how many of you leftys have kids. Probably none of you. But when I look at mine I think their lives and futures are worth fighting for. Most liberals would probably consider fighting for those that can't fight for themselves a noble thing. Unless it comes to an unborn child and then it's "fuck em! Scramble their brains and get em out of here. Their lives are MY CHOICE!"
The ONLY thing I can't stand for is abortion. I don't know how many of you leftys have kids. Probably none of you. But when I look at mine I think their lives and futures are worth fighting for. Most liberals would probably consider fighting for those that can't fight for themselves a noble thing. Unless it comes to an unborn child and then it's "fuck em! Scramble their brains and get em out of here. Their lives are MY CHOICE!"
Drink for emotional abortion issue Cysko
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Yes the party's are always diverse to an extent.
The republicans this year are mostly different in terms of foreign policy, tax plan, etc.
Generally they've been pretty strict on the social stuff, despite the majority of the population shifting left on social issues.
I mean I would vote for a republican despite the fact I support gay marriage, am pro-choice to the extent I described, and pro-recreational weed. But it kind of helps that I'm not gay, not a woman, and don't smoke weed
The core ideals of the republicans will shift towards a fiscal conservative approach over worrying so much about social things, IMO.
Party's change their platform all the time - as time goes by things change. The population is shifting left on the social side of things very,very,very fast.
And members must decide whether those platforms meet their goals or not.
There's nothing that says the Republican Party has to be fiscally conservative.
If the people want free shito and they lose votes because of that?
WSS
And members must decide whether those platforms meet their goals or not.
There's nothing that says the Republican Party has to be fiscally conservative.
If the people want free shito and they lose votes because of that?
WSS
Drink for free shot Steve
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I agree with the OP. Clinging to outdated, fading social ideals is no way to get elected.
Conservative social views have died off as liberal social views become the norm throughout history. The issues described in this thread are no different.
As the older generations die off so will this way of thinking. The Republicans will just adapt.
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