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  • @domcucch1994 said:

    Will this team ever be great again?

    Maybe when we get a QB who can play with the big boys.

    But not before....

    Oh, I forgot to say....."YAY!!!.....another Johnny thread!!!!.....what a novel idea"

    @mudfly said:

    Maybe when we get a QB who can play with the big boys.

    But not before....

    Yes.. A QB who plays from the pocket and makes actual reads..

  • They drafted him to sell jerseys, they are still searching for a QB of the future.

    We did offer a first for Sam Bradford after all.

  • @domcucch1994 said:

    The reason why you drafted JM is because he was electrifying, can extend plays, and keep the defense on their heels.

    Why the fuck would you want to leave him in the pocket in the first place? It makes absolutely no sense!!!

    Any good coaching staff molds their scheme to fit their PLAYERS. Not the other way around!

    Will this organization ever get its shit together? It's frustrating to watch this shit show every damn Sunday...

    Will this team ever be great again?

    Do we have to always play for next year?

    Smh...

    In fact, fuck an offensive line, just snap it to him, play 9 receivers, let him scramble until someone gets open and see what happens!

    Smh...

    @gftchris said:

    In fact, fuck an offensive line, just snap it to him, play 9 receivers, let him scramble until someone gets open and see what happens!

    Smh...

    I'd rather that than fucktard McCown doing helicopter dives into the endzone in the 1st Qtr..

  • @domcucch1994 said:

    Will this team ever be great again?

    Maybe when we get a QB who can play with the big boys.

    But not before....

    Oh, I forgot to say....."YAY!!!.....another Johnny thread!!!!.....what a novel idea"

    @mudfly said:

    Maybe when we get a QB who can play with the big boys.

    But not before....

    He can play!!

    But Pettine has a hard on for McClown.

    There is absolutely no reason to play this washup, we know what his ceiling is!

  • @mudfly said:

    Maybe when we get a QB who can play with the big boys.

    But not before....

    He can play!!

    But Pettine has a hard on for McClown.

    There is absolutely no reason to play this washup, we know what his ceiling is!

    @domcucch1994 said:

    He can play!!

    But Pettine has a hard on for McClown.

    There is absolutely no reason to play this washup, we know what his ceiling is!

    And I have a hard on for an honest to goodness real QB without all of the hype and baggage of the selfish JM types.

  • @domcucch1994 said:

    He can play!!

    But Pettine has a hard on for McClown.

    There is absolutely no reason to play this washup, we know what his ceiling is!

    And I have a hard on for an honest to goodness real QB without all of the hype and baggage of the selfish JM types.

    @nickers said:

    And I have a hard on for an honest to goodness real QB without all of the hype and baggage of the selfish JM types.

    Because McCown is a real QB right?

    All the games he has won us really backs up your hard on...

  • ....waiting for an original thought that I havent already read a thousand times......

    But it doesnt seem to be happening.....boooo....

  • @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Weeden was 29 when he was drafted, so technically he was a "hit".

    Same for Quinn and McCoy.

    Well, obviously, I was referring to Weeden with the 30. Work with me here, round up.

    McCoy wasn't drafted to be a saviour, he was a shot in the dark.

    Quinn, yes, fit the prototype. But we missed. But you have a better chance picking Quinns (NFL size, arm, mobility, age) than you do chasing midgets and grandpas.

    Zombo

    Zombo said:

    Well, obviously, I was referring to Weeden with the 30. Work with me here, round up.

    McCoy wasn't drafted to be a saviour, he was a shot in the dark.

    Quinn, yes, fit the prototype. But we missed. But you have a better chance picking Quinns (NFL size, arm, mobility, age) than you do chasing midgets and grandpas.

    Zombo

    I was just being facetious.

  • @nickers said:

    And I have a hard on for an honest to goodness real QB without all of the hype and baggage of the selfish JM types.

    Because McCown is a real QB right?

    All the games he has won us really backs up your hard on...

    @domcucch1994 said:

    Because McCown is a real QB right?

    All the games he has won us really backs up your hard on...

    So we're measuring QB's solely by wins, then?

    If that's the case, McCown is more of a real QB than Manziel.

  • @mudfly said:

    Maybe when we get a QB who can play with the big boys.

    But not before....

    He can play!!

    But Pettine has a hard on for McClown.

    There is absolutely no reason to play this washup, we know what his ceiling is!

    @domcucch1994 said:

    He can play!!

    But Pettine has a hard on for McClown.

    There is absolutely no reason to play this washup, we know what his ceiling is!

    He can't play. We've seen it plenty of times already and now he's making excuses that he can't see over the line. Fuck him... he's done here and won't be in the league in a couple years.

  • @mudfly said:

    Maybe when we get a QB who can play with the big boys.

    But not before....

    He can play!!

    But Pettine has a hard on for McClown.

    There is absolutely no reason to play this washup, we know what his ceiling is!

    @domcucch1994 said:

    He can play!!

    There is absolutely no reason to play this washup, we know what his ceiling is!

    You're talking about Manziel, right? Because his ceiling is about 5'7" high.

    @mark-o said:

    He can't play. We've seen it plenty of times already and now he's making excuses that he can't see over the line. Fuck him... he's done here and won't be in the league in a couple years.

    Doubt it. He'll probably be in the league until at least 2020.

  • @domcucch1994 said:

    He can play!!

    There is absolutely no reason to play this washup, we know what his ceiling is!

    You're talking about Manziel, right? Because his ceiling is about 5'7" high.

    @mark-o said:

    He can't play. We've seen it plenty of times already and now he's making excuses that he can't see over the line. Fuck him... he's done here and won't be in the league in a couple years.

    Doubt it. He'll probably be in the league until at least 2020.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    You're talking about Manziel, right? Because his ceiling is about 5'7" high.

    Doubt it. He'll probably be in the league until at least 2020.

    2020 isn't many more than a couple. He's such a distraction off the field, I don't see him being able to have the Colt McCoy type career. Manziel probably has more talent but he's a pain in the ass and not worth the trouble to keep him around as a back up.

  • Tebow or bust.

  • Tebow or bust.

    @gftchris said:

    Tebow or bust.

    Ha!.....He's the guy Ive always compared with our guy....and the sad part is that Tebow actually played better, won more and put up better numbers across the board.....(plus won a Heisman AND 2 Championships in college)....

    Yet....most agree he's not even good enough to be #2 or #3 on any team......(and people can accept that).......

  • @gftchris said:

    Tebow or bust.

    Ha!.....He's the guy Ive always compared with our guy....and the sad part is that Tebow actually played better, won more and put up better numbers across the board.....(plus won a Heisman AND 2 Championships in college)....

    Yet....most agree he's not even good enough to be #2 or #3 on any team......(and people can accept that).......

    @mudfly said:

    Ha!.....He's the guy Ive always compared with our guy....and the sad part is that Tebow actually played better, won more and put up better numbers across the board.....(plus won a Heisman AND 2 Championships in college)....

    Yet....most agree he's not even good enough to be #2 or #3 on any team......(and people can accept that).......

    Do you think that part of the issue with Tebow is teams don't want the circus that surrounds him for a guy who's going to be the 3rd string inactive nearly every week?

    It's hard to believe that there are 90 QB's in the world better than him and he couldn't be the 3rd string guy.

  • @mudfly said:

    Ha!.....He's the guy Ive always compared with our guy....and the sad part is that Tebow actually played better, won more and put up better numbers across the board.....(plus won a Heisman AND 2 Championships in college)....

    Yet....most agree he's not even good enough to be #2 or #3 on any team......(and people can accept that).......

    Do you think that part of the issue with Tebow is teams don't want the circus that surrounds him for a guy who's going to be the 3rd string inactive nearly every week?

    It's hard to believe that there are 90 QB's in the world better than him and he couldn't be the 3rd string guy.

    @mark-o said:

    Do you think that part of the issue with Tebow is teams don't want the circus that surrounds him for a guy who's not so good?

    Fixed.....and...

    Of course they dont......its not worth it.....

    What with all that praying and christian stuff he used to do.....at least with our guy it's just women, parties and substance abuse

  • @mark-o said:

    Do you think that part of the issue with Tebow is teams don't want the circus that surrounds him for a guy who's not so good?

    Fixed.....and...

    Of course they dont......its not worth it.....

    What with all that praying and christian stuff he used to do.....at least with our guy it's just women, parties and substance abuse

    @mudfly said:

    Fixed.....and...

    Of course they dont......its not worth it.....

    What with all that praying and christian stuff he used to do.....at least with our guy it's just women, parties and substance abuse

    That's my thought as well and I think that's why Johnny will find himself out of the league sooner rather than later.

  • Johnny says he's too small and then Pet and Flip say, "Oh no you're not young man!"

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14113883/cleveland-browns-say-johnny-manziel-use-height-excuse

    Please quit comparing him to Drew Brees, and draft a real QB next time. So embarrassing.

    Just shoot for something over 6 foot tall and under 30 years old and maybe you'll hit next time.

    Zombo

    Zombo said:

    Johnny says he's too small and then Pet and Flip say, "Oh no you're not young man!"

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14113883/cleveland-browns-say-johnny-manziel-use-height-excuse

    How much do lineman grow after college?

    Wow... another reason can't see? Does not know where to look.

    What about bringing in Doug Flutie as consultant?

    @domcucch1994 said:

    The reason why you drafted JM is because he was electrifying, can extend plays, and keep the defense on their heels.

    Why the fuck would you want to leave him in the pocket in the first place? It makes absolutely no sense!!!

    Ah... the "excitement" argument under a synonym.

    There is no problem with extending plays. Some need to be extended because no one is open. Some need to be extended because the pass rush pressure comes early.

    The problem comes when the pocket is left out of preference and an inconsistent ability to recognize available plays from inside it. Plays are being missed. The pocket is being left prematurely.

    @mudfly said:

    ....waiting for an original thought that I havent already read a thousand times......

    But it doesnt seem to be happening.....boooo....

    How'd I do?

  • It's a fair article. And I do think that Pet & his OC are doing a good job helping him see how to become a Brees or a Wilson. Sure I'd like to see a little more PA and rollout for him, but overall they are still teaching him to be a pro QB. But will the fan base stay as patient? Don't think so. It's been required too often over the years and he screwed up by muddying the waters himself. Part of why I'd rather see him in Seattle as an understudy in a "startover".

  • Why the fuck was Manziel drafted here if they're trying to completely change his game?

    @londonbrown said:

    Why the fuck was Manziel drafted here if they're trying to completely change his game?

    Johnnys Second half would have looked a lot better if a certain someone didnt drop every ball that hit his hands