Pettine, Not Farmer, To Blame?
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That's how it works in a successful system. What we currently have is a GM who has a vision for the team, a HC who doesn't agree with the vision...
Evidence? I ask because they were definitely on the same page at their intro, joint presser...
Tough, AFCN team built on running the ball and stout D.
Obviously things are not going according to plan in Year 2, but has the vision really changed?
Evidence? I ask because they were definitely on the same page at their intro, joint presser...
Tough, AFCN team built on running the ball and stout D.
Obviously things are not going according to plan in Year 2, but has the vision really changed?
Our vision is to have a mission, our mission is to have a vision. TC put it way more technical than I ever could- but the more simplified approach- square pegs in round holes. Wouldn't you say getting destroyed after halftime week after week is our coaching staff being unable to adjust to the other teams halftime adjustments?I think Flugels had it right in the Cinci game. Pettine- "we have to keep Johnny in the pocket more". Marvin Lewis says- "thanks Mike, exactly what I was thinking."
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Evidence? I ask because they were definitely on the same page at their intro, joint presser...
Tough, AFCN team built on running the ball and stout D.
Obviously things are not going according to plan in Year 2, but has the vision really changed?
Our vision is to have a mission, our mission is to have a vision. TC put it way more technical than I ever could- but the more simplified approach- square pegs in round holes. Wouldn't you say getting destroyed after halftime week after week is our coaching staff being unable to adjust to the other teams halftime adjustments?I think Flugels had it right in the Cinci game. Pettine- "we have to keep Johnny in the pocket more". Marvin Lewis says- "thanks Mike, exactly what I was thinking."
Our vision is to have a mission, our mission is to have a vision. TC put it way more technical than I ever could- but the more simplified approach- square pegs in round holes. Wouldn't you say getting destroyed after halftime week after week is our coaching staff being unable to adjust to the other teams halftime adjustments?I think Flugels had it right in the Cinci game. Pettine- "we have to keep Johnny in the pocket more". Marvin Lewis says- "thanks Mike, exactly what I was thinking."
And you said Pettine wasn't capable of halftime adjustments. Shame.
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TC,
We can't even put Barn in the slot and draw LB coverage on 3rd...
Not that Bowe's spirit would be indestructible IF in fact he has been wronged out of spite, but I see nothing remotely close to Fitz. Fitz's move to the slot has revitalized him... not back to the near-burner, 4.5-ish speed he once had, but he has been reborn. And Fitz is still quick, which I see as a separate asset from speed.
On your left/rights... Offensive or Defensive? Kruger lived on our Defense's left last year as a pass -rusher/edge setter while Mingo lived on our bench. *** Hyperbole Alert***
Had to look up "Buck LB", but yes, Kruger is the very definition of one. Mingo? Fits the definition, but not the role. Pet himself has said he is our best cover OLB. That might be a very sad statement, but it is what it is...
Offensive, sorry. Kruger can't match up with elite left tackles and beat them consistently, but he is physical enough to match up with generally more stout RT's and prove to be effective.
Now we've got him shifting across the field as a strongside coverage backer more often than not and I just don't see the point in it. He's proven time and again he is a pass rusher first and foremost. Mingo was the right pick physically, he's a tweener with great speed and solid potential as a rusher, but he's apparently our best coverage backer?
That kind of epitomizes my point from before - it's like Farmer is stocking the team with players to fill roles, and then Pettine is using them outside of their role. Granted Mingo was technically a holdover from a previous regime, but his skillset lends himself to being a pass rusher and he's not being used as one.
Wasn't Malcolm Johnson supposed to be an effective receiving threat at FB? He's rangy, quick and has solid hands...yet he's a complete non-factor in the passing (and running) game. Stuff like that is what bothers me. It seems like, on paper, we have the talent to run the system we originally claimed we would run. But now we're averaging something like 65% of our plays as passing plays? Josh McCown is getting 50 pass attempts a game? How is that anything like what they claimed they would run?
1. Offensive, sorry. Kruger can't match up with elite left tackles and beat them consistently, but he is physical enough to match up with generally more stout RT's and prove to be effective.
Now we've got him shifting across the field as a strongside coverage backer more often than not and I just don't see the point in it. He's proven time and again he is a pass rusher first and foremost. Mingo was the right pick physically, he's a tweener with great speed and solid potential as a rusher, but he's apparently our best coverage backer?
2. That kind of epitomizes my point from before - it's like Farmer is stocking the team with players to fill roles, and then Pettine is using them outside of their role. Granted Mingo was technically a holdover from a previous regime, but his skillset lends himself to being a pass rusher and he's not being used as one.
3. Wasn't Malcolm Johnson supposed to be an effective receiving threat at FB? He's rangy, quick and has solid hands...yet he's a complete non-factor in the passing (and running) game. Stuff like that is what bothers me. It seems like, on paper, we have the talent to run the system we originally claimed we would run. But now we're averaging something like 65% of our plays as passing plays? Josh McCown is getting 50 pass attempts a game? How is that anything like what they claimed they would run?
1. Agree on Kruger... looks out of place opposite opponents LT. Trying to recreate Solomon is best reasome I can come up with fro playing Krugs there. But since I did not see Solomon working opposite Kruger as part of what could only be considered a 5-man line, it's like more of the same.
But does that "5-man line" option not suggest that personnel were/ are lacking?
2. Mingo was a one-trick holdover... speed and spin. Once OTs caught onto that it was pretty much over for him as a straight-up rusher. But if he is agile enough to cover, then he should be effective as part of a rush scheme.
Rush scheme is something I see week in and out by our opponents, but rarely by us. Maddening to see opponents running free and us running into blockers.
3. As a converted TE, MJ is supposed to be a passing threat and the little we've seen of him in routes seems to indicate there is talent there. The problem is how do you keep a FB in the game when your run productivity out of the "I" is shit? And MJ is a significant part of that fail.
I would love to see stats, but my guess would be our best running formation in 2014 was the SingleBack-2TE set, whereas our best in 2015 may be SingleBack-3WR. Our TE blocking has been that bad, but the added space from spreading the D a little bit more does not hurt either.
More than just the higher percentage of passing occurring out of necessity, we seem to be game-planning it. Pet has mentioned in a couple different weeks post-game pressers that "we talked about having to pass more this week" or some similar something.
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1. Offensive, sorry. Kruger can't match up with elite left tackles and beat them consistently, but he is physical enough to match up with generally more stout RT's and prove to be effective.
Now we've got him shifting across the field as a strongside coverage backer more often than not and I just don't see the point in it. He's proven time and again he is a pass rusher first and foremost. Mingo was the right pick physically, he's a tweener with great speed and solid potential as a rusher, but he's apparently our best coverage backer?
2. That kind of epitomizes my point from before - it's like Farmer is stocking the team with players to fill roles, and then Pettine is using them outside of their role. Granted Mingo was technically a holdover from a previous regime, but his skillset lends himself to being a pass rusher and he's not being used as one.
3. Wasn't Malcolm Johnson supposed to be an effective receiving threat at FB? He's rangy, quick and has solid hands...yet he's a complete non-factor in the passing (and running) game. Stuff like that is what bothers me. It seems like, on paper, we have the talent to run the system we originally claimed we would run. But now we're averaging something like 65% of our plays as passing plays? Josh McCown is getting 50 pass attempts a game? How is that anything like what they claimed they would run?
1. Agree on Kruger... looks out of place opposite opponents LT. Trying to recreate Solomon is best reasome I can come up with fro playing Krugs there. But since I did not see Solomon working opposite Kruger as part of what could only be considered a 5-man line, it's like more of the same.
But does that "5-man line" option not suggest that personnel were/ are lacking?
2. Mingo was a one-trick holdover... speed and spin. Once OTs caught onto that it was pretty much over for him as a straight-up rusher. But if he is agile enough to cover, then he should be effective as part of a rush scheme.
Rush scheme is something I see week in and out by our opponents, but rarely by us. Maddening to see opponents running free and us running into blockers.
3. As a converted TE, MJ is supposed to be a passing threat and the little we've seen of him in routes seems to indicate there is talent there. The problem is how do you keep a FB in the game when your run productivity out of the "I" is shit? And MJ is a significant part of that fail.
I would love to see stats, but my guess would be our best running formation in 2014 was the SingleBack-2TE set, whereas our best in 2015 may be SingleBack-3WR. Our TE blocking has been that bad, but the added space from spreading the D a little bit more does not hurt either.
More than just the higher percentage of passing occurring out of necessity, we seem to be game-planning it. Pet has mentioned in a couple different weeks post-game pressers that "we talked about having to pass more this week" or some similar something.
1. Agree on Kruger... looks out of place opposite opponents LT. Trying to recreate Solomon is best reasome I can come up with fro playing Krugs there. But since I did not see Solomon working opposite Kruger as part of what could only be considered a 5-man line, it's like more of the same.
But does that "5-man line" option not suggest that personnel were/ are lacking?
2. Mingo was a one-trick holdover... speed and spin. Once OTs caught onto that it was pretty much over for him as a straight-up rusher. But if he is agile enough to cover, then he should be effective as part of a rush scheme.
Rush scheme is something I see week in and out by our opponents, but rarely by us. Maddening to see opponents running free and us running into blockers.
3. As a converted TE, MJ is supposed to be a passing threat and the little we've seen of him in routes seems to indicate there is talent there. The problem is how do you keep a FB in the game when your run productivity out of the "I" is shit? And MJ is a significant part of that fail.
I would love to see stats, but my guess would be our best running formation in 2014 was the SingleBack-2TE set, whereas our best in 2015 may be SingleBack-3WR. Our TE blocking has been that bad, but the added space from spreading the D a little bit more does not hurt either.
More than just the higher percentage of passing occurring out of necessity, we seem to be game-planning it. Pet has mentioned in a couple different weeks post-game pressers that "we talked about having to pass more this week" or some similar something.
I see that package more as what they believe to be an innovative defensive front, but in all reality its just a Monster front that just inherently puts us in a mismatch. I guess you could say that our CB's in theory are good enough to plan man lock and that Whitner is enough of a hybrid to be considered a "rover", but I still don't consider it to be a high percentage package for us. Any OC worth his salt sees it, spreads us out, and picks us clean in the short middle, or works his receivers down field and plays the flats.
I agree about Mingo, his game has evolved very little since he was drafted. However, as a counter point, speed and spin can get you a productive season if you're rushing 95% of the time - see Dwight Freeney. Granted, Mingo is 30 lbs. lighter than Freeney and is nowhere near the same talent level, but the point remains that if you throw him at a QB 60 times a game, he's likely to come away with a sack, a few hurries and a couple tackles. But tossing him out there for 15-20 plays a game, and 8-12 plays of those you're throwing him into coverage, there's no way you're going to see any meaningful production from him.
MJ is one of the most unfortunate run blockers I've seen, and I can understand why we'd err toward not operating out of I-form with him in there. But then that, in effect, just makes him a useless roster spot. I'd be interested in seeing an I package with MJ/Crow/Dray, then Barnidge split out. Barnidge is just enough of a receiver where he can be a semi-viable threat on the perimeter, but would probably be a killer downfield blocker as well. To me, that's the best utilization of blocking/receiving talent out of I-form that can gather enough yardage on the ground to open up the PA bootleg for MJ et al.
It seems like Pet says every week that they talked about passing more than the previous week. By season's end, we're going to be tossing the rock 70 times a game.
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That's how it works in a successful system. What we currently have is a GM who has a vision for the team, a HC who doesn't agree with the vision...
Evidence? I ask because they were definitely on the same page at their intro, joint presser...
Tough, AFCN team built on running the ball and stout D.
Obviously things are not going according to plan in Year 2, but has the vision really changed?
Evidence? I ask because they were definitely on the same page at their intro, joint presser...
Tough, AFCN team built on running the ball and stout D.
Obviously things are not going according to plan in Year 2, but has the vision really changed?
Well, I see evidence of them at least trying to make adjustments.....(which many claim they are too stubborn to do)...
Flip has completely changed what he was doing early on.....the planned running game isnt working, so we are throwing it more......the Defense has been off, so people are getting moved around...
I dont see stubborn.....I see many attempts to switch up personnel and style of play.....which Id call adjustments....
There is talent in the front 7, but it is not versatile. When it is not versatile, you have to guess which combination to use in which situation and the near universally hated shuttling ensues. If an opposing NFL OC can't plan for that, they are not even worthy of being a collegiate OC.
Agree with this 100%.....Our one dimensional specialists are getting exposed.....examples.....Kruger cant tackle, so they run at him......Mingo cant cover, so they throw at him.....pretty basic stuff....
And "execution" should get more credit than coaching as to why we are playing poorly...........
But it leaves out the run D, which was still terrible; however, overall the group was effective (9th in points per game). How can you come back with mostly the same talent, even improved in some areas IMHO and go to 26th in points allowed and 24th in QB rating? Not to mention, get EVEN WORSE at rush D.
I think the fact that all 3 of our pro bowl DB's have been out has everything to do with it......cant be a #1 pass defense, when all your defenders are hurt......
gipson, haden, whitner and Poyer....have all missed significant time......plus Haden and Gipson just havent played well.....so, when 75% of your guys are down....I can see the "why".....
I also think this has a LOT to do with our pass rush suffering.....as, I believe, many sacks were due to great pass coverage....
And many sacks were also due to Sheard collapsing "his side" and pushing things to Kruger.....w/o Sheard, Kruger suffers....
Those are the big differences I see.....
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OK... but that's different from:
I also don't think the vision has changed.
I've no doubt Pet desired a primo CB. I've no idea whose idea it was that Gilbert was that primo CB. I do not know the CB positions as well as I do others, but beyond the basic, man/zone and press/off decision points, I have a hard time seeing "scheme fit" being as big of an issue there as it is for other positions.
D-line... we have one example of a player with a speed/power combo that can be effective in any situation... on any down. That this is compounded by player misuse as tia, Cleve, 23 and you sometimes claim citing gap techs, etc., is not really in doubt, but I think it is the lesser factor.
At the core of our Defensive personnel issues IMO are still our LBs. Magnified in a 3-4 look, it is still significant in a 4-3. Again looking at speed/power combo talent, who pops up?
There is talent in the front 7, but it is not versatile. When it is not versatile, you have to guess which combination to use in which situation and the near universally hated shuttling ensues. If an opposing NFL OC can't plan for that, they are not even worthy of being a collegiate OC.
I don't think the "agreement" on the vision has changed. I do think the execution by both parties has fallen short. Whether Pet/Farm is a marriage that can survive depends on the willingness of each to accept their personal portion of the blame. So far who seems to be doing that?
Okay, I misspoke. Pettine doesn't seem to have disagreed with the vision - he's disagreed with the way we're going about achieving it - namely in the players he's been given. The more I look at it, the more that OBR report makes sense - Pettine is simply playing favorites.
There's no doubt in my mind that Bowe can positively contribute to this team in some fashion. Why isn't he out there? Because he's not healthy? He's seemed pretty healthy all year. You're telling me that he can't trot out in obvious passing situations in a 4-wide set and run a mid tree route to free up someone underneath or over top? There's also no doubt in my mind that Gilbert can grade out positively if he's given more than KR/PR duties. Should he be a full-time starter? Based on what we've seen thus far - no. But I have a very hard time believing that he can't beat out K'Wuan, Desir, etc. for some rotational duties right now. Yet these guys aren't ever seeing the field for what reason again? Because our offense and defense is such a perfectly oiled machine that they don't fit in there and they would be detrimental to our success thus far?
Off of the top of my head -I think we have a rather versatile front 3/4. Starks has proven throughout his career to be rather effective as a 3 or a 5 tech. Shelton is a hard 1 tech, I believe. The rest of our line can seemingly play two positions, based on size and speed and general skillsets. Maybe I'm oversimplifying, I am just going purely off of what I envision them as right now. Our LB's, on the other hand, are not versatile in the least...and that is where some of our problem is. We're forcing Kruger out of position, we're forcing Orchard out of position, we're forcing Mingo out of position. I don't think any one of them is a coverage backer. To me, that's a coaching issue and not a personnel issue - because I really like the Orchard pick.
Show me a defense that lives and dies on OLBer's being coverage backers and I'll show you a defense that I can very easily beat.
I have tremendously cooled on Pettine over the past two weeks. He's giving off the vibe of a very inflexible coach who can't adapt his gameplan to what he's given - and that's not a good thing at all.
We're forcing Kruger out of position, we're forcing Orchard out of position, we're forcing Mingo out of position. I don't think any one of them is a coverage backer.
Show me a defense that lives and dies on OLBer's being coverage backers and I'll show you a defense that I can very easily beat.
Well....somebody has to cover.....cant have all your olb's rushing every play.....
Yes... Kruger is abysmal in coverage and the times we have chosen to put him in that role deserve ridicule. Mingo setting the edge is nearly as bad. But you cannot hide these players weaknesses... at least not all at the same time.
Kruger is just abysmal....not really good anywhere, if your asking me....
There's a difference between tasking a LB to cover multiple times a game.... and throwing him in coverage for a majority of his snaps
Orchard may be the most versatile of the bunch, but he's a rookie and we're tasking him with basically being the jack of all trades backer
I think this is a misnomer.....Kruger has played 270 passing downs and rushed the QB 223 times (with only 2 sacks)...while he has dropped into coverage only 48 times....or 5 times a game....or barely once per quarter.....
So, no matter how much people think Krugers role has changed, he is very much the teams designated pass rusher....he's just not an effective one....
Orchard, on the other hand, has dropped into coverage 45 times on only 120 passing downs....
Now we've got him shifting across the field as a strongside coverage backer more often than not and I just don't see the point in it. He's proven time and again he is a pass rusher first and foremost. Mingo was the right pick physically, he's a tweener with great speed and solid potential as a rusher, but he's apparently our best coverage backer?
Ok, so what your saying is...Krugers only skill is to pass rush.....Orchard was drafted as a pass rusher......and Mingo's skills also lean toward pass rusher.....and Farmer has given Pettine what he needs???, but they are being missused....?
So....3 pass rushers and no cover backers or run stoppers.....yet its on Pettine?....(lets make it 4 pass rushers, cause thats what Armonty does too).....
I agree about Mingo, .... speed and spin can get you a productive season if you're rushing 95% of the time .... the point remains that if you throw him at a QB 60 times a game, he's likely to come away with a sack, a few hurries and a couple tackles. But tossing him out there for 15-20 plays a game, and 8-12 plays of those you're throwing him into coverage, there's no way you're going to see any meaningful production from him.
Mingo has dropped into coverage 55 times and rushed the QB 37....not exactly an even split, but close(compared to Kruger at least)....
I see Kirksey as the guy they are "trying" to get into coverage most....and of course Dansby.....they are the ones staying back and taking the slot/TE most of the snaps.....
Looking at the pass rush #'s....Armonty is the most effective, getting to the QB once every 40 rushes....while Kruger gets there once every 110 rushes......(yikes)....
So....In my world, Farmer hasnt even come close to giving Pettine what he needs in terms of OLB's....and the ones we have aren't versatile and cant play multiple roles(which is something good LB's can do)......
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Well Pettine's motto has always been play like a Brown
Well witnessing crap year after year they certainly are living up to the play like a Brown slogan this season .......
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You can't get rid of pettine the oc anyone but farmer, farmer ran shannahan off. It's the same story we have no stability were don't need coaches we need fucking players heathly ones would be great the biggest thing of all is we have to pick a fucking qb keep him healthy and leave him alone good or bad
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Both Mike Pettine and Ray Farmer are hot garbage.
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Pettine, Putin or Kojak - his days are numbered.
If he thinks Bademosi is the way to stick it to Gilbert while Pittsburgh can't stop scoring on us via the pass - he'll be back to his high school comfort zone quicker than we can say yippee. Bademosi is the equivalent of a hockey team losing a man to a penalty and playing man down. He's terrible.
If he wants out this bad he just quit rather than sabotage our fan base. What a jerk!
Folks, when Marvin Lewis is saying we gotta keep this QB in the pocket and then Pettine says it - I was hoping the idiot wasn't our Head Coach but I'm a Browns' fan so guess what? I got my id ten 10 form which looks like this in caps ID10T.
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Pettine, Putin or Kojak - his days are numbered.
If he thinks Bademosi is the way to stick it to Gilbert while Pittsburgh can't stop scoring on us via the pass - he'll be back to his high school comfort zone quicker than we can say yippee. Bademosi is the equivalent of a hockey team losing a man to a penalty and playing man down. He's terrible.
If he wants out this bad he just quit rather than sabotage our fan base. What a jerk!
Folks, when Marvin Lewis is saying we gotta keep this QB in the pocket and then Pettine says it - I was hoping the idiot wasn't our Head Coach but I'm a Browns' fan so guess what? I got my id ten 10 form which looks like this in caps ID10T.
Pettine, Putin or Kojak - his days are numbered.
If he thinks Bademosi is the way to stick it to Gilbert while Pittsburgh can't stop scoring on us via the pass - he'll be back to his high school comfort zone quicker than we can say yippee. Bademosi is the equivalent of a hockey team losing a man to a penalty and playing man down. He's terrible.
If he wants out this bad he just quit rather than sabotage our fan base. What a jerk!
Folks, when Marvin Lewis is saying we gotta keep this QB in the pocket and then Pettine says it - I was hoping the idiot wasn't our Head Coach but I'm a Browns' fan so guess what? I got my id ten 10 form which looks like this in caps ID10T.
Thanks for noticing that Tom. I sure did. BAD-emosi doesn't have the speed of Gilbert- I'd put my money on Justin to beat him by 10 yards in a 100. Oh wait- Bryant just did.
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Our vision is to have a mission, our mission is to have a vision. TC put it way more technical than I ever could- but the more simplified approach- square pegs in round holes. Wouldn't you say getting destroyed after halftime week after week is our coaching staff being unable to adjust to the other teams halftime adjustments?
I think Flugels had it right in the Cinci game. Pettine- "we have to keep Johnny in the pocket more". Marvin Lewis says- "thanks Mike, exactly what I was thinking."
And you said Pettine wasn't capable of halftime adjustments. Shame.
And you said Pettine wasn't capable of halftime adjustments. Shame.
As Bill Belichick told a reporter, why would I wait until halftime to make adjustments that need to be made in the 1st quarter? We can't even deviate from the game plan at halftime so it was how we got outscored 55-3 in the last 3 games after halftime heading into this week. Canton Mike gave me that fact about how drastically this staff has been outcoached after halftime on the scoreboard.
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And you said Pettine wasn't capable of halftime adjustments. Shame.
As Bill Belichick told a reporter, why would I wait until halftime to make adjustments that need to be made in the 1st quarter? We can't even deviate from the game plan at halftime so it was how we got outscored 55-3 in the last 3 games after halftime heading into this week. Canton Mike gave me that fact about how drastically this staff has been outcoached after halftime on the scoreboard.
I'm more inclined to believe the Browns have been outplayed than outcoached.Canton Mike gave me that fact about how drastically this staff has been outcoached after halftime on the scoreboard.
Lack of execution is on the player not the coach.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
I'm more inclined to believe the Browns have been outplayed than outcoached.
Lack of execution is on the player not the coach.
OK this is the chicken or the egg argument. Are we bad because we're being outcoached, or losing because the coach doesn't have the horses?
Both? Lousy player selection, and lousy coaching? The housecleaning is yet again imminent.
Mike to Ray- hey, I really liked that dartboard pick. Ray to Mike- "why do you think I was texting you"?
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I'm more inclined to believe the Browns have been outplayed than outcoached.
Lack of execution is on the player not the coach.
IMO Canton, choosing to start Bademosi at corner and a bunch of jockeys at WR make it really easy to outplay us just like not tweaking/simplifying the defense nobody seems to understand.That's coaching all the way down to every surprise de-activation. Our defense was way better in 2014 before final install than it is in 2015. Are we seeing growth or regression? We closed 2014 with 5 straight losses and opened 2015 with a 2-8 record.
Lining up in the neutral zone like Starks did vrs Cincy is on the veteran player - I agree on stuff like that.
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I'm more inclined to believe the Browns have been outplayed than outcoached.
Lack of execution is on the player not the coach.
IMO Canton, choosing to start Bademosi at corner and a bunch of jockeys at WR make it really easy to outplay us just like not tweaking/simplifying the defense nobody seems to understand.That's coaching all the way down to every surprise de-activation. Our defense was way better in 2014 before final install than it is in 2015. Are we seeing growth or regression? We closed 2014 with 5 straight losses and opened 2015 with a 2-8 record.
Lining up in the neutral zone like Starks did vrs Cincy is on the veteran player - I agree on stuff like that.
Last year's defense wasn't really that much better considering the cream puffs we had on the schedule. We really couldn't stop the run last year either. We also finished 2014 with guys from the PS playing on both sides of the line including QB.IMO Canton, choosing to start Bademosi at corner and a bunch of jockeys at WR make it really easy to outplay us just like not tweaking/simplifying the defense nobody seems to understand.That's coaching all the way down to every surprise de-activation. Our defense was way better in 2014 before final install than it is in 2015. Are we seeing growth or regression? We closed 2014 with 5 straight losses and opened 2015 with a 2-8 record.
Lining up in the neutral zone like Starks did vrs Cincy is on the veteran player - I agree on stuff like that.
I really don't think there would be much difference between playing Gilbert over Bademosi. I've already relegated the fact that Gilbert is going to be nothing more than a ST standout....just like Bademosi.
Benji dropping a pass that hit him in the chest isn't on the coach, Cam Erving holding isn't on the coaches.
Both of those plays cost us a TD, but I put the blame on the player.
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Stopping the run has not been lack of talent lack of coaching it's players not doing there job not maintaing there lains Kruger on every play is ten yards up field it's simple do your job and do it well but it's the coaches job to hold them to a standard
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Stopping the run has not been lack of talent lack of coaching it's players not doing there job not maintaing there lains Kruger on every play is ten yards up field it's simple do your job and do it well but it's the coaches job to hold them to a standard
Can't stop the run in New York....... can't stop the run in Buffalo......can't stop the run in Cleveland BLAH BLAH BLAH......BLAH BLAH BLAH....IT MUST BE THE PLAYERS......BLAH BLAH BLAHStopping the run has not been lack of talent lack of coaching it's players not doing there job not maintaing there lains Kruger on every play is ten yards up field it's simple do your job and do it well but it's the coaches job to hold them to a standard
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Here comes the broken record again, the players stink. Does anyone in here believe there to be a GM who would trade a 6th round pick for Kruger or Haden? How about the stellar offseason moves of Starks and Tramon Williams. This team isn't any good. Buddy Ryan couldn't coach these one trick ponies.
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