Pettine
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I stopped reading when I got to this part of your post.
Brady, on 18 Nov 2015 - 5:36 PM, said:
Brady said:
Hell, you guys even fired Bill fucking Bellichick...
You may want to do a little research before making up stupid shit like this.
Well....whether he was fired by the Browns or by the Ravens.....Belichick basically deserved firing. A. He had losing seasons in 4 of the 5 seasons he coached here. He would have been long ago fired by the Patriots if they didn't get lucky with Tom Brady likely.
B. He was a public relations nightmare.....and Modell certainly had his fill of those, and didn't want another albatross hanging on his neck with BB in Baltimore where he had to play nice. BB would be a PR nightmare for the Pats....if he weren't winning.
I stopped reading when I got to this part of your post.
Brady, on 18 Nov 2015 - 5:36 PM, said:
You may want to do a little research before making up stupid shit like this.
Well....whether he was fired by the Browns or by the Ravens.....Belichick basically deserved firing. A. He had losing seasons in 4 of the 5 seasons he coached here. He would have been long ago fired by the Patriots if they didn't get lucky with Tom Brady likely.
B. He was a public relations nightmare.....and Modell certainly had his fill of those, and didn't want another albatross hanging on his neck with BB in Baltimore where he had to play nice. BB would be a PR nightmare for the Pats....if he weren't winning.
As I have said from the beginning... BB was a 0 before Brady.. And will be a 0 afterword.. All bill knows how to do is cheat... Thats his legacy... He is and always will be an asshole..
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I love how these douchebag fans of the Steelers, Patriots, Bills (really?), etc. like to come onto our Board and preach to us about how to go about the right way to build a franchise.
I call it the "I stayed at Holiday Inn Express Last Night" approach to "teaching us" how we are doing things wrong.
Telling us where we went wrong and how to fix things. Like it's the fan's fault.
I find this laughable. The Browns may have the most knowledgeable football fan base out there, not to mention most loyal.
Don't equate the fanbase to the product on the field. And don't get all high and mighty if Browns fans continue to root for the present Browns, despite their obvious flaws.
The guys that said "fuck it, I can't root for this shitshow anymore" ... they aren't here anymore. What you have left is loyal fans who remember when things were done right in Cleveland, and how proud they were of that team .. and young guys who have never experienced a winner, but stay committed every year, and they get up for the draft, and the young players, and grab on to something to believe in and some hope for the future.
We enjoy debating where the team went wrong and how to fix it ... but we got this, we don't need "advice" on how to be a fan and be told what "we" are doing wrong.
Our frustration level cannot be measured. But neither can our loyalty. And we don't need shitbags coming in here and rubbing our faces in it and acting like they are some authority because they watch a successful team ... like we haven't been watching how the Steelers, Patriots, Ravens, etc. have been running their franchises for years ... like WE don't get it.
1994 the Cleveland Browns went 11-5 and advanced to the second round of the Playoffs by beating Bill Parcels' Patriots.
Ozzie Newsome was in charge of personnel, Bill Belichick was head coach and Nick Saban was the defensive coordinator.
That's as good as it gets.
Also on the staff: Scott Pioli, Thomas Dimitroff, Phil Savage, Jim Schwartz, and Eric Manigini
Does it sound like we were building something special?
The next season, Modell pulled the rug from under Cleveland, gutted the fanbase and left the staff in limbo, crushing the soul of that team. He took Newsome with him to Baltimore where he (Newsome) has won two Super Bowls. Belichick (Somebody check my spelling, I'm not real familiar with him) was fired by Modell, in Baltimore, and went on to win four Super Bowls himself.
We had the ultimate dream team assembled and it was broken up by Modell's greed.
The fans fought for the franchise, like no fanbase has ever done before or since, and their hard work and loyalty was rewarded with a reboot of the original Browns franchise.
But the NFL rushed the comeback, did not give the browns sufficient time to assemble staffs and scouting years in advance like they did with Carolina, Jacksonville and, later Houston.
And then it ... through three ownership changes, it has just been one disaster after another.
But it's not because Cleveland fans don't know what it takes to win. The owners have failed us with their hirings, their hirings have failed us with their draft picks, and Bill Belichick is not walking through that door, Ozzie Newsome is not walking through that door, but there is no reason to believe it can't be turned around under the current ownership. He's got the money, he's go the motivation, and someday it will click ... the right person will walk through the door and success will trickle down to all phases of the franchise and it won't be because some faggy Steeler fan or Bills fan/wannabe Patriots fan told this long-suffering franchise what it takes to make a winner.
You don't make changes just to make changes ... but you don't stay patient just to stay patient either. But what you certainly DO do ... is let Year 2 play out.
Belichick, Newsome and Saban had three losing seasons before 1994.
We've got six football games to win ... let's go out and win them.
Zombo
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I love how these douchebag fans of the Steelers, Patriots, Bills (really?), etc. like to come onto our Board and preach to us about how to go about the right way to build a franchise.
I call it the "I stayed at Holiday Inn Express Last Night" approach to "teaching us" how we are doing things wrong.
Telling us where we went wrong and how to fix things. Like it's the fan's fault.
I find this laughable. The Browns may have the most knowledgeable football fan base out there, not to mention most loyal.
Don't equate the fanbase to the product on the field. And don't get all high and mighty if Browns fans continue to root for the present Browns, despite their obvious flaws.
The guys that said "fuck it, I can't root for this shitshow anymore" ... they aren't here anymore. What you have left is loyal fans who remember when things were done right in Cleveland, and how proud they were of that team .. and young guys who have never experienced a winner, but stay committed every year, and they get up for the draft, and the young players, and grab on to something to believe in and some hope for the future.
We enjoy debating where the team went wrong and how to fix it ... but we got this, we don't need "advice" on how to be a fan and be told what "we" are doing wrong.
Our frustration level cannot be measured. But neither can our loyalty. And we don't need shitbags coming in here and rubbing our faces in it and acting like they are some authority because they watch a successful team ... like we haven't been watching how the Steelers, Patriots, Ravens, etc. have been running their franchises for years ... like WE don't get it.
1994 the Cleveland Browns went 11-5 and advanced to the second round of the Playoffs by beating Bill Parcels' Patriots.
Ozzie Newsome was in charge of personnel, Bill Belichick was head coach and Nick Saban was the defensive coordinator.
That's as good as it gets.
Also on the staff: Scott Pioli, Thomas Dimitroff, Phil Savage, Jim Schwartz, and Eric Manigini
Does it sound like we were building something special?
The next season, Modell pulled the rug from under Cleveland, gutted the fanbase and left the staff in limbo, crushing the soul of that team. He took Newsome with him to Baltimore where he (Newsome) has won two Super Bowls. Belichick (Somebody check my spelling, I'm not real familiar with him) was fired by Modell, in Baltimore, and went on to win four Super Bowls himself.
We had the ultimate dream team assembled and it was broken up by Modell's greed.
The fans fought for the franchise, like no fanbase has ever done before or since, and their hard work and loyalty was rewarded with a reboot of the original Browns franchise.
But the NFL rushed the comeback, did not give the browns sufficient time to assemble staffs and scouting years in advance like they did with Carolina, Jacksonville and, later Houston.
And then it ... through three ownership changes, it has just been one disaster after another.
But it's not because Cleveland fans don't know what it takes to win. The owners have failed us with their hirings, their hirings have failed us with their draft picks, and Bill Belichick is not walking through that door, Ozzie Newsome is not walking through that door, but there is no reason to believe it can't be turned around under the current ownership. He's got the money, he's go the motivation, and someday it will click ... the right person will walk through the door and success will trickle down to all phases of the franchise and it won't be because some faggy Steeler fan or Bills fan/wannabe Patriots fan told this long-suffering franchise what it takes to make a winner.
You don't make changes just to make changes ... but you don't stay patient just to stay patient either. But what you certainly DO do ... is let Year 2 play out.
Belichick, Newsome and Saban had three losing seasons before 1994.
We've got six football games to win ... let's go out and win them.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I love how these douchebag fans of the Steelers, Patriots, Bills (really?), etc. like to come onto our Board and preach to us about how to go about the right way to build a franchise.
Telling us where we went wrong and how to fix things. Like it's the fan's fault.
I find this laughable.
Don't equate the fanbase to the product on the field. And don't get all high and mighty
.... but we got this, we don't need "advice" on how to be a fan and be told what "we" are doing wrong.
And we don't need shitbags coming in here and rubbing our faces in it and acting like they are some authority because they watch a successful team ..
Great post......and exactly how Ive felt about all the shitbags all along.....
Because they live in a town with a better team, they somehow feel they have a hand in that or know more because of it....
And, after winning and still feeling hollow, it's important for them to gloat in an effort to get more "feel good" out of it....
Thats the main reason I try not to engage with trolls and opposing fans....they've got nothing of value to offer me or the board...
Nothing....
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Zombo said:
I love how these douchebag fans of the Steelers, Patriots, Bills (really?), etc. like to come onto our Board and preach to us about how to go about the right way to build a franchise.
Telling us where we went wrong and how to fix things. Like it's the fan's fault.
I find this laughable.
Don't equate the fanbase to the product on the field. And don't get all high and mighty
.... but we got this, we don't need "advice" on how to be a fan and be told what "we" are doing wrong.
And we don't need shitbags coming in here and rubbing our faces in it and acting like they are some authority because they watch a successful team ..
Great post......and exactly how Ive felt about all the shitbags all along.....
Because they live in a town with a better team, they somehow feel they have a hand in that or know more because of it....
And, after winning and still feeling hollow, it's important for them to gloat in an effort to get more "feel good" out of it....
Thats the main reason I try not to engage with trolls and opposing fans....they've got nothing of value to offer me or the board...
Nothing....
Great post......and exactly how Ive felt about all the shitbags all along.....
Because they live in a town with a better team, they somehow feel they have a hand in that or know more because of it....
And, after winning and still feeling hollow, it's important for them to gloat in an effort to get more "feel good" out of it....
Thats the main reason I try not to engage with trolls and opposing fans....they've got nothing of value to offer me or the board...
Nothing....
While true that they have nothing of value to offer me or the board.....I do engage them because I have something of value to offer them: the truth, the facts......and a frequent swift kick in the ass.....or beyond.
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To Me.. The troll fags are pure entertainment...And some of the stupid things they say are entertaining , to some degree... Yet ridiculous..I will love this team till I die,., But, I don't think current ownership and regime has a freaking clue.. I was out there marching when Art stole Our team. Something has to give,... and go right for once...its hard to believe Ive been on this board what.. 9 years now?
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Excellent post Zombo! Had me proud and I'm not a native!!
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To Me.. The troll fags are pure entertainment...And some of the stupid things they say are entertaining , to some degree... Yet ridiculous..I will love this team till I die,., But, I don't think current ownership and regime has a freaking clue.. I was out there marching when Art stole Our team. Something has to give,... and go right for once...its hard to believe Ive been on this board what.. 9 years now?
To Me.. The troll fags are pure entertainment...And some of the stupid things they say are entertaining , to some degree... Yet ridiculous..I will love this team till I die,., But, I don't think current ownership and regime has a freaking clue.. I was out there marching when Art stole Our team. Something has to give,... and go right for once...its hard to believe Ive been on this board what.. 9 years now?
Wow, nine years and only 5990 posts? You are underproducing and in the proud tradition of the Browns, we're gonna have to cut you.
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To Me.. The troll fags are pure entertainment...And some of the stupid things they say are entertaining , to some degree... Yet ridiculous..I will love this team till I die,., But, I don't think current ownership and regime has a freaking clue.. I was out there marching when Art stole Our team. Something has to give,... and go right for once...its hard to believe Ive been on this board what.. 9 years now?
Wow, nine years and only 5990 posts? You are underproducing and in the proud tradition of the Browns, we're gonna have to cut you.
Wow, nine years and only 5990 posts? You are underproducing and in the proud tradition of the Browns, we're gonna have to cut you.
Or give him a $12m contract.
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Wow, nine years and only 5990 posts? You are underproducing and in the proud tradition of the Browns, we're gonna have to cut you.
Or give him a $12m contract.
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Brady's Ball Sack said:
I never could connect with the common Browns fans version of reality. Obviously, nobody else in the league can either.....
This thread shows just how twisted the average Browns fans view of the world is..
Anyone slamming the Pats organization as a comparison is fucking hilarious.....
Fucking hilarious...
The Pats have a knack for selecting early and late round talent, and stick with coaching? Hell, you guys even fired Bill fucking Bellichick...
Maybe they win because of the best ownership and leadership in the league?
That's why they can take a piece of coal and make a diamond out of it.
The Browns organization can routinely take a choice diamond and turn it into worthless coal.
The reason for that is where you need to start looking. It boils down to who runs the entire show..
I hope the Browns turn it around. Your problems are not busting out of first rounders, it busting out in ownership.
The thieving bum you have now is the ultimate silver spooner, and has no idea how to set a foundation for a winning organization.
This team needs stability like no other team in the league, but the key parts are always getting fired.
You've had solid coaching and GMs in your hands several times. The regime before this last bunch would have had things on the right track, but I guess a bum told the thief to cut them loose..
Good luck.
We didn't fire Belichick, you dumb cunt.
Zombo
Zombo said:
We didn't fire Belichick, you dumb cunt.
Zombo
Hey come on, this is a family forum watch your language.
That should have read "you misinformed cunt."
WSS
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Zombo said:
We didn't fire Belichick, you dumb cunt.
Zombo
Hey come on, this is a family forum watch your language.
That should have read "you misinformed cunt."
WSS
Hey come on, this is a family forum watch your language.
That should have read "you miss informed cunt."
WSS
Formal names are capitalized. That should read Miss Informed Cunt. Carry on.
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Hey come on, this is a family forum watch your language.
That should have read "you miss informed cunt."
WSS
Formal names are capitalized. That should read Miss Informed Cunt. Carry on.
Formal names are capitalized. That should read Miss Informed Cunt. Carry on.
Is there a pageant of informed cunts somewhere? They stand at on stage in bikinis and tell everyone lots of interesting things but in a cunty way?
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I love how these douchebag fans of the Steelers, Patriots, Bills (really?), etc. like to come onto our Board and preach to us about how to go about the right way to build a franchise.
I call it the "I stayed at Holiday Inn Express Last Night" approach to "teaching us" how we are doing things wrong.
Telling us where we went wrong and how to fix things. Like it's the fan's fault.
I find this laughable. The Browns may have the most knowledgeable football fan base out there, not to mention most loyal.
Don't equate the fanbase to the product on the field. And don't get all high and mighty if Browns fans continue to root for the present Browns, despite their obvious flaws.
The guys that said "fuck it, I can't root for this shitshow anymore" ... they aren't here anymore. What you have left is loyal fans who remember when things were done right in Cleveland, and how proud they were of that team .. and young guys who have never experienced a winner, but stay committed every year, and they get up for the draft, and the young players, and grab on to something to believe in and some hope for the future.
We enjoy debating where the team went wrong and how to fix it ... but we got this, we don't need "advice" on how to be a fan and be told what "we" are doing wrong.
Our frustration level cannot be measured. But neither can our loyalty. And we don't need shitbags coming in here and rubbing our faces in it and acting like they are some authority because they watch a successful team ... like we haven't been watching how the Steelers, Patriots, Ravens, etc. have been running their franchises for years ... like WE don't get it.
1994 the Cleveland Browns went 11-5 and advanced to the second round of the Playoffs by beating Bill Parcels' Patriots.
Ozzie Newsome was in charge of personnel, Bill Belichick was head coach and Nick Saban was the defensive coordinator.
That's as good as it gets.
Also on the staff: Scott Pioli, Thomas Dimitroff, Phil Savage, Jim Schwartz, and Eric Manigini
Does it sound like we were building something special?
The next season, Modell pulled the rug from under Cleveland, gutted the fanbase and left the staff in limbo, crushing the soul of that team. He took Newsome with him to Baltimore where he (Newsome) has won two Super Bowls. Belichick (Somebody check my spelling, I'm not real familiar with him) was fired by Modell, in Baltimore, and went on to win four Super Bowls himself.
We had the ultimate dream team assembled and it was broken up by Modell's greed.
The fans fought for the franchise, like no fanbase has ever done before or since, and their hard work and loyalty was rewarded with a reboot of the original Browns franchise.
But the NFL rushed the comeback, did not give the browns sufficient time to assemble staffs and scouting years in advance like they did with Carolina, Jacksonville and, later Houston.
And then it ... through three ownership changes, it has just been one disaster after another.
But it's not because Cleveland fans don't know what it takes to win. The owners have failed us with their hirings, their hirings have failed us with their draft picks, and Bill Belichick is not walking through that door, Ozzie Newsome is not walking through that door, but there is no reason to believe it can't be turned around under the current ownership. He's got the money, he's go the motivation, and someday it will click ... the right person will walk through the door and success will trickle down to all phases of the franchise and it won't be because some faggy Steeler fan or Bills fan/wannabe Patriots fan told this long-suffering franchise what it takes to make a winner.
You don't make changes just to make changes ... but you don't stay patient just to stay patient either. But what you certainly DO do ... is let Year 2 play out.
Belichick, Newsome and Saban had three losing seasons before 1994.
We've got six football games to win ... let's go out and win them.
Zombo
When a person speaking to a person of German ancestry says "you" lost WWII, he's not implying the German had a part in it. Similarly if someone says "you guys" need to do this or "you guys" need to do that, he's referring to the team/organization you root for, not you the fan specifically.Zombo said:
I call it the "I stayed at Holiday Inn Express Last Night" approach to "teaching us" how we are doing things wrong.
Telling us where we went wrong and how to fix things. Like it's the fan's fault.
No brown fan or fan of any losing team should be given credit for being loyal to their team. Why do you need credit for being what you are? ... or whats in your blood? Any dumbass fan who forsakes his team is like foresaking his own heritage and culture.Zombo said:
I find this laughable. The Browns may have the most knowledgeable football fan base out there, not to mention most loyal.
If I grew up in NE Ohio I'd be a browns fan... and wouldn't want any damn credit. It's demeaning if anything.
You can take pride in your "knowledge" of a game. In reality no fan base has any more "knowledge" than another. Go to any board. Its the same shit, different team... all the way down to bickering amongst themselves.
Now it may be a different story if you're talking knowledge of football history or something like that.
Do you equate the Steeler fanbase to the product on the field?Zombo said:
Don't equate the fanbase to the product on the field. And don't get all high and mighty if Browns fans continue to root for the present Browns, despite their obvious flaws.
And "flaws"? Almost every team has its flaws. You wish they only had flaws. The browns are below having flaws, they are dysfunctional. Like Tony Rizzo said...the situation in Berea is toxic.
Exactly Zombo. Fans that come here to give "advice" act as though they had something to do with their teams success. They live vicariously through their teams... because their team is superior to yours, they think they are superior to you.Zombo said:
Our frustration level cannot be measured. But neither can our loyalty. And we don't need shitbags coming in here and rubbing our faces in it and acting like they are some authority because they watch a successful team ... like we haven't been watching how the Steelers, Patriots, Ravens, etc. have been running their franchises for years ... like WE don't get it.
I rarely post in any of the threads, except when the talk involves the Steelers or their fans.
Ultimate dream team? Don't think so, rather they were a one year wonder in 1994. After the browns 11-4 season in 1994, the browns went back to being the browns and went 5-11 in 1995. Then they moved. In Baltimore the 1996 purple browns went 4-12, then 6-9-1, 6-10, 8-8, then finally winning the Super Bowl after most of the original brown players were purged and no longer with the team.Zombo said:
The next season, Modell pulled the rug from under Cleveland, gutted the fanbase and left the staff in limbo, crushing the soul of that team. He took Newsome with him to Baltimore where he (Newsome) has won two Super Bowls. Belichick (Somebody check my spelling, I'm not real familiar with him) was fired by Modell, in Baltimore, and went on to win four Super Bowls himself.
We had the ultimate dream team assembled and it was broken up by Modell's greed.
Hypothetically speaking, if Haslem decided to move the browns today, do you think browns fans would display the same outrage and passion? I don't. Wouldn't even be close. I'd bet most Clevelanders would tell the browns not to let the door hit them in the ass.Zombo said:
The fans fought for the franchise, like no fanbase has ever done before or since, and their hard work and loyalty was rewarded with a reboot of the original Browns franchise.
That's true if you're talking 4-5 years or so into the new franchise. Its 2015, the expansion team excuse only lasts so long Zombo.Zombo said:
But the NFL rushed the comeback, did not give the browns sufficient time to assemble staffs and scouting years in advance like they did with Carolina, Jacksonville and, later Houston.
And then it ... through three ownership changes, it has just been one disaster after another.
I was once afraid Bill Cowher WOULD walk through that door! Wouldn't be pleased seeing this face pacing the browns sideline.Zombo said:
But it's not because Cleveland fans don't know what it takes to win. The owners have failed us with their hirings, their hirings have failed us with their draft picks, and Bill Belichick is not walking through that door, Ozzie Newsome is not walking through that door, but there is no reason to believe it can't be turned around under the current ownership. He's got the money, he's go the motivation, and someday it will click ... the right person will walk through the door and success will trickle down to all phases of the franchise and it won't be because some faggy Steeler fan or Bills fan/wannabe Patriots fan told this long-suffering franchise what it takes to make a winner.
He's exactly what you need.
Did I say "you"? lol...I meant your team.
So did Noll and his group have three. Tom Landry had 5 losing seasons before going 8-8. Wow.Zombo said:
You don't make changes just to make changes ... but you don't stay patient just to stay patient either. But what you certainly DO do ... is let Year 2 play out.
Belichick, Newsome and Saban had three losing seasons before 1994.
"We"? You meant "your team" right? lolZombo said:
We've got six football games to win ... let's go out and win them.
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Hey come on, this is a family forum watch your language.
That should have read "you miss informed cunt."
WSS
Formal names are capitalized. That should read Miss Informed Cunt. Carry on.
Haha. Speech to text.Formal names are capitalized. That should read Miss Informed Cunt. Carry on.
Signed, Mr. Informed.
WSS
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Formal names are capitalized. That should read Miss Informed Cunt. Carry on.
Is there a pageant of informed cunts somewhere? They stand at on stage in bikinis and tell everyone lots of interesting things but in a cunty way?
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Formal names are capitalized. That should read Miss Informed Cunt. Carry on.
Is there a pageant of informed cunts somewhere? They stand at on stage in bikinis and tell everyone lots of interesting things but in a cunty way?
Is there a pageant of informed cunts somewhere? They stand at on stage in bikinis and tell everyone lots of interesting things but in a cunty way?
Cunt is a county in England, no?
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Cunt is a county in England, no?
No...
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Wales?
Not that I'm aware of. Cunt county? County cunt? Never heard of it.
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I'm not too sure either, but I hear it used a lot at Upton Park, so I think it may a generalised term used for referees?
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