2016 DRAFT who's your boy?
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We are done drafting fucking Alabama RBs in the first round.
GB did just fine with Lacy and Henry has a lot more in common with him than he does with "Tiny" Richardson.
Lacy sure is doing just fine, isn't he? He's had more double cheeseburgers than yards this season.GB did just fine with Lacy and Henry has a lot more in common with him than he does with "Tiny" Richardson.
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I don't like him as the 3, they'd have to put too much weight on him. I would slide him between the 5 tech on days we deem that a 3-4 would be better and the 4-3DE on days we run that. I would prefer to keep Bosa 1v1 as much as possible and not break him down with constant double teams.
Pretty sure that's almost exactly what I said?
He'll be your starting 5 tech regardless of the defensive alignment on running downs. He'll be a 3 on passing downs and maybe stay at his 5 spot.
Again, there is a reason I compare his game to Michael Bennett. The Hawks use him in a similar manner to great effectiveness.
Pretty sure that's almost exactly what I said?
He'll be your starting 5 tech regardless of the defensive alignment on running downs. He'll be a 3 on passing downs and maybe stay at his 5 spot.
Again, there is a reason I compare his game to Michael Bennett. The Hawks use him in a similar manner to great effectiveness.
I can't justify taking him off the edge. Did you see in the game today how he reads the read option? He's too good on the edge to put inside much. See the way he slides down the line and makes tackles on runs that went to the left away from him? This kid is something else. Michigan St O line is one of the best in the country and they've had to chip and double him the whole game....and he still gets off his man and affects the play. His stats for the day might not look good on paper but he is clearly affecting MI St's offensive game plan.
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Pretty sure that's almost exactly what I said?
He'll be your starting 5 tech regardless of the defensive alignment on running downs. He'll be a 3 on passing downs and maybe stay at his 5 spot.
Again, there is a reason I compare his game to Michael Bennett. The Hawks use him in a similar manner to great effectiveness.
I can't justify taking him off the edge. Did you see in the game today how he reads the read option? He's too good on the edge to put inside much. See the way he slides down the line and makes tackles on runs that went to the left away from him? This kid is something else. Michigan St O line is one of the best in the country and they've had to chip and double him the whole game....and he still gets off his man and affects the play. His stats for the day might not look good on paper but he is clearly affecting MI St's offensive game plan.
I can't justify taking him off the edge. Did you see in the game today how he reads the read option? He's too good on the edge to put inside much. See the way he slides down the line and makes tackles on runs that went to the left away from him? This kid is something else. Michigan St O line is one of the best in the country and they've had to chip and double him the whole game....and he still gets off his man and affects the play. His stats for the day might not look good on paper but he is clearly affecting MI St's offensive game plan.
Come on with this stuff. This guy could take a smelly shit right now and I'd be hearing it smells like the top selling cologne. Games aren't played on paper especially when it's windy and raining.The biggest effect Bosa had all day was when they kicked him inside to line up against a cup protection for Michigan State's 2nd or 3rd string QB (they rotated the 2). I know this is hard to believe but cup protections often require a double team somewhere inside closer to where the ball is snapped. Consequently, Bosa drew it and the guy (#6) who lined up outside at Bosa's normal spot made a big play getting to the QB. As the game unfolded, Sparty realized they were a lot better than Illinois so they decided to adjust how many guys they needed to waste on Bosa to the extent LBers were getting more attention. And it worked regardless of the Dial-A-QB situation MSU had to overcome.
Bosa had 3 offsides penalties and 1 was brutal enough to change 3rd and 8 to a very doable 3rd and 3. In Sparty's second half scoring drives, they ran right where Bosa lined up. 1 time, a very skinny #83 was isolated on Bosa driving him from the right side of the television screen all the way to the left of the screen until he was off the screen altogether. They also showed the replay just so I could confirm only 1 guy was doing that. When such a luxury was taking place, someone else playside was able to block the OSU LBer. Some of you guys are acting like Bosa is the only DE you've ever seen necessitating an occasional chip from the TE. And when you see a RB in to help out - it's the first time you've ever seen that too?
FWIW, when Reggie White was leading the NFL in sacks and frequenting Pro Bowls - there were always TEs chipping with a RB in the backfield helping out. If they were indeed tripling/quadrupling Bosa eating up blockers like Pez - why was the LBer help nowhere to be found late in the game? Maybe, just maybe, they weren't using all their blockers on Bosa? I think the kid is talented and he can get up under guys to remove their entire base to win position and leverage; but first overall picks are supposed to be football messiahs in terms of impact. Yesterday was an ideal stage in the rain to prove he's that guy and all I'm gonna hear is a bunch of excuses and explanations of why he was not that guy. When his neighborhood got picked on - why were all his neighbors getting blocked? Sparty figured something out; and the minute they did - they owned the day.
FWIW, backside clampdowns got Courtney Brown drafted first overall because he had an adorable tackles for loss resume to go with a Mike Mamula-esque workout summed up as "gonna hurt people." Here's the thing, the Michigan matchup vrs Penn State back in 99 said don't feed the back side clamp down - just run right AT him. They did with a long sustained scoring drives that beat Penn State. They also learned they didn't even have to double Courtney Brown in the process, which was exactly how NFL life ahead became. The pertinence of that is where did Michigan State run when they needed to knot the score and get into FG position twice? Right AT Bosa and he played exactly like a Brown. When he did make tackles late in the game - they were about 10 yards downfield.
I know everybody loves Ohio State; but I'm not seeing the next Reggie White or JJ Watt. JJ Watt single-handedly closed down Ohio State ranging from whipping an All Conference Center's ass to kicking tail on the edge. He owned the day and the stage against the best opponent on his schedule. There were no "yeah, but they double teamed him" excuses required. He dominated the best offensive line in the conference. The weather dictated that the best trench warriors would own the day and you saw the outcome. Get the meaningless Illinois matchup out of your head because that wasn't an NFL measuring stick like yesterday was.
I LIKE Bosa so I don't want to see him setup to be somebody's major disappointment, which could easily happen if he went to a clusterphuck like Cleveland. Our 5 techniques never need to be doubled or quickly chipped and they still don't get the LBer help Ohio State usually offers Bosa (outside of yesterday). As Hoorta said elsewhere, Big Daddy Wilkinson once got played up as a sure thing ready to dominate at the NFL level and it never happened. He did actually have a decent career but because of how high he got drafted - many labelled him a bad pick when he wasn't. He just didn't dominate like his draft slot required him to. I've been wrong before so it's possible I'm wrong again but let's not pretend yesterday was exactly what you wanted to see from Bosa. I tooted Elliott as my guy and I'm disappointed in the way he played and conducted himself afterward.
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I can't justify taking him off the edge. Did you see in the game today how he reads the read option? He's too good on the edge to put inside much. See the way he slides down the line and makes tackles on runs that went to the left away from him? This kid is something else. Michigan St O line is one of the best in the country and they've had to chip and double him the whole game....and he still gets off his man and affects the play. His stats for the day might not look good on paper but he is clearly affecting MI St's offensive game plan.
Come on with this stuff. This guy could take a smelly shit right now and I'd be hearing it smells like the top selling cologne. Games aren't played on paper especially when it's windy and raining.The biggest effect Bosa had all day was when they kicked him inside to line up against a cup protection for Michigan State's 2nd or 3rd string QB (they rotated the 2). I know this is hard to believe but cup protections often require a double team somewhere inside closer to where the ball is snapped. Consequently, Bosa drew it and the guy (#6) who lined up outside at Bosa's normal spot made a big play getting to the QB. As the game unfolded, Sparty realized they were a lot better than Illinois so they decided to adjust how many guys they needed to waste on Bosa to the extent LBers were getting more attention. And it worked regardless of the Dial-A-QB situation MSU had to overcome.
Bosa had 3 offsides penalties and 1 was brutal enough to change 3rd and 8 to a very doable 3rd and 3. In Sparty's second half scoring drives, they ran right where Bosa lined up. 1 time, a very skinny #83 was isolated on Bosa driving him from the right side of the television screen all the way to the left of the screen until he was off the screen altogether. They also showed the replay just so I could confirm only 1 guy was doing that. When such a luxury was taking place, someone else playside was able to block the OSU LBer. Some of you guys are acting like Bosa is the only DE you've ever seen necessitating an occasional chip from the TE. And when you see a RB in to help out - it's the first time you've ever seen that too?
FWIW, when Reggie White was leading the NFL in sacks and frequenting Pro Bowls - there were always TEs chipping with a RB in the backfield helping out. If they were indeed tripling/quadrupling Bosa eating up blockers like Pez - why was the LBer help nowhere to be found late in the game? Maybe, just maybe, they weren't using all their blockers on Bosa? I think the kid is talented and he can get up under guys to remove their entire base to win position and leverage; but first overall picks are supposed to be football messiahs in terms of impact. Yesterday was an ideal stage in the rain to prove he's that guy and all I'm gonna hear is a bunch of excuses and explanations of why he was not that guy. When his neighborhood got picked on - why were all his neighbors getting blocked? Sparty figured something out; and the minute they did - they owned the day.
FWIW, backside clampdowns got Courtney Brown drafted first overall because he had an adorable tackles for loss resume to go with a Mike Mamula-esque workout summed up as "gonna hurt people." Here's the thing, the Michigan matchup vrs Penn State back in 99 said don't feed the back side clamp down - just run right AT him. They did with a long sustained scoring drives that beat Penn State. They also learned they didn't even have to double Courtney Brown in the process, which was exactly how NFL life ahead became. The pertinence of that is where did Michigan State run when they needed to knot the score and get into FG position twice? Right AT Bosa and he played exactly like a Brown. When he did make tackles late in the game - they were about 10 yards downfield.
I know everybody loves Ohio State; but I'm not seeing the next Reggie White or JJ Watt. JJ Watt single-handedly closed down Ohio State ranging from whipping an All Conference Center's ass to kicking tail on the edge. He owned the day and the stage against the best opponent on his schedule. There were no "yeah, but they double teamed him" excuses required. He dominated the best offensive line in the conference. The weather dictated that the best trench warriors would own the day and you saw the outcome. Get the meaningless Illinois matchup out of your head because that wasn't an NFL measuring stick like yesterday was.
I LIKE Bosa so I don't want to see him setup to be somebody's major disappointment, which could easily happen if he went to a clusterphuck like Cleveland. Our 5 techniques never need to be doubled or quickly chipped and they still don't get the LBer help Ohio State usually offers Bosa (outside of yesterday). As Hoorta said elsewhere, Big Daddy Wilkinson once got played up as a sure thing ready to dominate at the NFL level and it never happened. He did actually have a decent career but because of how high he got drafted - many labelled him a bad pick when he wasn't. He just didn't dominate like his draft slot required him to. I've been wrong before so it's possible I'm wrong again but let's not pretend yesterday was exactly what you wanted to see from Bosa. I tooted Elliott as my guy and I'm disappointed in the way he played and conducted himself afterward.
Come on with this stuff. This guy could take a smelly shit right now and I'd be hearing it smells like the top selling cologne. Games aren't played on paper especially when it's windy and raining.The biggest effect Bosa had all day was when they kicked him inside to line up against a cup protection for Michigan State's 2nd or 3rd string QB (they rotated the 2). I know this is hard to believe but cup protections often require a double team somewhere inside closer to where the ball is snapped. Consequently, Bosa drew it and the guy (#6) who lined up outside at Bosa's normal spot made a big play getting to the QB. As the game unfolded, Sparty realized they were a lot better than Illinois so they decided to adjust how many guys they needed to waste on Bosa to the extent LBers were getting more attention. And it worked regardless of the Dial-A-QB situation MSU had to overcome.
Bosa had 3 offsides penalties and 1 was brutal enough to change 3rd and 8 to a very doable 3rd and 3. In Sparty's second half scoring drives, they ran right where Bosa lined up. 1 time, a very skinny #83 was isolated on Bosa driving him from the right side of the television screen all the way to the left of the screen until he was off the screen altogether. They also showed the replay just so I could confirm only 1 guy was doing that. When such a luxury was taking place, someone else playside was able to block the OSU LBer. Some of you guys are acting like Bosa is the only DE you've ever seen necessitating an occasional chip from the TE. And when you see a RB in to help out - it's the first time you've ever seen that too?
I know everybody loves Ohio State; but I'm not seeing the next Reggie White or JJ Watt.
I think we agree on this one...
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He had a rough game last night with the penalties, that's for damn certain. I don't recall Joey ever pressing a snap count that hard and being that far off.
Another player of note I might have to watch - Zettel out of Penn State.
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He had a rough game, and I feel bad for him. He's still a very talented player, and he's allowed to have an off game now and then. Of course, you'd like to see him play his best when it matters most, but that doesn't always happen. I think the biggest issue I'm seeing right now is the fact I don't see ANYONE worthy of the #1 pick. Maybe that OL Tunsil...but I don't see us going that route. To be honest, I don't see us having the #1 pick either, but it certainly appears we'll be in the top 5. Bosa certainly fills an immense need on our team, and we are desperate for talented pass rushers. Another position of need is WR, and Laquon Treadwell is the guy I'm hearing as the best WR in the draft. He's not a giant, I believe he's listed around 6'2, but he plays much bigger, and he WILL go up and snag the ball. Again, is he worthy of a top 5 selection? We all know that Farmer has not historically placed that much value on WR's early in the draft...but maybe he's learned from that. Those are my two guys, and they both fill gigantic voids on our team. We obviously can't depend on Josh Gordon, and Mary Kay said there are people within our organization that are ready to part ways, and we have some that want him back. If for whatever reason Gordon does come back, AND we draft Treadwell...the dynamic of our offense COMPLETELY changes.
Hey...a fan can dream. Of course, Bosa and Treadwell are only my two favs assuming Manziel is our future. I really do believe Manziel will demonstrate enough promise and talent to be our starter next year, so we won't select a QB with our first pick of the draft. I'm not saying we won't take one with our second, third, or fourth...but I don't believe we'll take a QB first overall. As of right now, I don't see a QB candidate with enough talent to warrant that selection. I'm intrigued by a few, but nobody in this upcoming draft screams, "I can come in right now and start".
Remember how clueless Johnny looked last year? Look at the difference a year makes. I'm not saying Manziel has looked like the second coming, but he's definitely a different guy. Who is to say he won't have another dramatic improvement next year...or even THIS season? That Bengals defense has made a ton of QB's look bad or mediocre. Manziel can be our guy.
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Right now... for the Browns?
Joey Bosa is my #1. He has been inconsistent this year, but his upside cannot be denied.
Jaylon Smith is a good target at this point. He plays very fast and is super-talented. He could immediately start over Kirksey or Robertson IMHO.
Jalen Ramsey is a freak athlete. If we lose Gipson, this kid would be an immediate replacement.
Shilique Calhoun, Scooby Wright, Jonathan Allen, and Yannick Ngakoue... All look like potential 3-down OLBs with Calhoun being my favorite out of the bunch...
Treadwell and Thomas also look pretty good as WRs, but not Top 5 pick type of good...
Right now, I have a hard time seeing anybody that is worth a top 3 pick... other than Bosa maybe... so if we are picking that high, I would love to see us make a trade with a QB-needy team so we can add talent on the front 7 and at the skill positions...
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Bottom line, you don't take a QB simply to address the 'franchise' elephant in the room. You pick a guy because he has the makings of a ten year signal caller.
Picking a QB and trying to convince yourself he's the guy is how you end up with Gabbert, Freeman, Weeden etc etc.
Bottom line, you don't take a QB simply to address the 'franchise' elephant in the room. You pick a guy because he has the makings of a ten year signal caller.
Picking a QB and trying to convince yourself he's the guy is how you end up with Gabbert, Freeman, Weeden etc etc.
Joe Montana: 3rd round pick
Tom Brady: 6th round pick
Russell Wilson: 3rd round pick.
Favre: 2d round pick
Brees: 2d round pick
Dan Fouts: 3rd round pick
John Unitas: 9th round pick
Bart Starr: 17th round pick
But, OK your chances are better with this:
Terry Bradshaw #1 overall pick
Peyton Manning #1 overall pick
John Elway #1 overall pick
Troy Aikman #1 overall pick
So, you can go high....and you can go low. But finding a guy is tough.
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Bottom line, you don't take a QB simply to address the 'franchise' elephant in the room. You pick a guy because he has the makings of a ten year signal caller.
Picking a QB and trying to convince yourself he's the guy is how you end up with Gabbert, Freeman, Weeden etc etc.
Joe Montana: 3rd round pick
Tom Brady: 6th round pick
Russell Wilson: 3rd round pick.
Favre: 2d round pick
Brees: 2d round pick
Dan Fouts: 3rd round pick
John Unitas: 9th round pick
Bart Starr: 17th round pick
But, OK your chances are better with this:
Terry Bradshaw #1 overall pick
Peyton Manning #1 overall pick
John Elway #1 overall pick
Troy Aikman #1 overall pick
So, you can go high....and you can go low. But finding a guy is tough.
Joe Montana: 3rd round pick
Tom Brady: 6th round pick
Russell Wilson: 3rd round pick.
Favre: 2d round pick
Brees: 2d round pick
Dan Fouts: 3rd round pick
John Unitas: 9th round pick
Bart Starr: 17th round pick
But, OK your chances are better with this:
Terry Bradshaw #1 overall pick
Peyton Manning #1 overall pick
John Elway #1 overall pick
Troy Aikman #1 overall pick
So, you can go high....and you can go low. But finding a guy is tough.
You set a person with your can't miss attributes. You find the guy who best fits this profile. You take him if he's available. End of story.
Your profile doesn't have to be, and probably shouldn't be, the same as another team's. Similar, but not the same. I recently read an article on common attributes between top level franchise guys. May have been posted here, may have been on Reddit, I can't remember. But many of the top guys have many of the same attributes.
For instance, my profile would be:
1) Competitive/ High Work Ethic
2) Intelligent
3) Pocket Awareness
4) Above Average Pocket Awareness
5) Arm Strength
Those are my absolute five. If they don't possess those traits - I wouldn't take them. I feel like I could take a guy with those traits and win games - they are the most important to running my system. Mobility, size, elusiveness, win/loss percentage, strength of schedule, P5 conference - those are all added benefits, but they don't take the place of any of the above 5 traits.
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Joe Montana: 3rd round pick
Tom Brady: 6th round pick
Russell Wilson: 3rd round pick.
Favre: 2d round pick
Brees: 2d round pick
Dan Fouts: 3rd round pick
John Unitas: 9th round pick
Bart Starr: 17th round pick
But, OK your chances are better with this:
Terry Bradshaw #1 overall pick
Peyton Manning #1 overall pick
John Elway #1 overall pick
Troy Aikman #1 overall pick
So, you can go high....and you can go low. But finding a guy is tough.
You set a person with your can't miss attributes. You find the guy who best fits this profile. You take him if he's available. End of story.
Your profile doesn't have to be, and probably shouldn't be, the same as another team's. Similar, but not the same. I recently read an article on common attributes between top level franchise guys. May have been posted here, may have been on Reddit, I can't remember. But many of the top guys have many of the same attributes.
For instance, my profile would be:
1) Competitive/ High Work Ethic
2) Intelligent
3) Pocket Awareness
4) Above Average Pocket Awareness
5) Arm Strength
Those are my absolute five. If they don't possess those traits - I wouldn't take them. I feel like I could take a guy with those traits and win games - they are the most important to running my system. Mobility, size, elusiveness, win/loss percentage, strength of schedule, P5 conference - those are all added benefits, but they don't take the place of any of the above 5 traits.
You set a person with your can't miss attributes. You find the guy who best fits this profile. You take him if he's available. End of story.
It would be nice if it could work out that way. It often does not. I am sure the Raiders thought they had that with Jamarcus Russell. The Chargers with Ryan Leaf etc. etc.
Your profile doesn't have to be, and probably shouldn't be, the same as another team's. Similar, but not the same. I recently read an article on common attributes between top level franchise guys. May have been posted here, may have been on Reddit, I can't remember. But many of the top guys have many of the same attributes.
For instance, my profile would be:
1) Competitive/ High Work Ethic
2) Intelligent
3) Pocket Awareness
4) Above Average Pocket Awareness
5) Arm Strength
Your Profile? Pocket Awareness? Did your mama cut holes in your pockets so you would have something to play with?
Errr...did you mean this is the profile you would want to see from a QB.
Those are my absolute five. If they don't possess those traits - I wouldn't take them. I feel like I could take a guy with those traits and win games - they are the most important to running my system. Mobility, size, elusiveness, win/loss percentage, strength of schedule, P5 conference - those are all added benefits, but they don't take the place of any of the above 5 traits.
Have you applied for a scouting position with the Browns?
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You set a person with your can't miss attributes. You find the guy who best fits this profile. You take him if he's available. End of story.
It would be nice if it could work out that way. It often does not. I am sure the Raiders thought they had that with Jamarcus Russell. The Chargers with Ryan Leaf etc. etc.
Your profile doesn't have to be, and probably shouldn't be, the same as another team's. Similar, but not the same. I recently read an article on common attributes between top level franchise guys. May have been posted here, may have been on Reddit, I can't remember. But many of the top guys have many of the same attributes.
For instance, my profile would be:
1) Competitive/ High Work Ethic
2) Intelligent
3) Pocket Awareness
4) Above Average Pocket Awareness
5) Arm Strength
Your Profile? Pocket Awareness? Did your mama cut holes in your pockets so you would have something to play with?
Errr...did you mean this is the profile you would want to see from a QB.
Those are my absolute five. If they don't possess those traits - I wouldn't take them. I feel like I could take a guy with those traits and win games - they are the most important to running my system. Mobility, size, elusiveness, win/loss percentage, strength of schedule, P5 conference - those are all added benefits, but they don't take the place of any of the above 5 traits.
Have you applied for a scouting position with the Browns?
You set a person with your can't miss attributes. You find the guy who best fits this profile. You take him if he's available. End of story.
It would be nice if it could work out that way. It often does not. I am sure the Raiders thought they had that with Jamarcus Russell. The Chargers with Ryan Leaf etc. etc.
Your profile doesn't have to be, and probably shouldn't be, the same as another team's. Similar, but not the same. I recently read an article on common attributes between top level franchise guys. May have been posted here, may have been on Reddit, I can't remember. But many of the top guys have many of the same attributes.
For instance, my profile would be:
1) Competitive/ High Work Ethic
2) Intelligent
3) Pocket Awareness
4) Above Average Pocket Awareness
5) Arm Strength
Your Profile? Pocket Awareness? Did your mama cut holes in your pockets so you would have something to play with?
Errr...did you mean this is the profile you would want to see from a QB.
Those are my absolute five. If they don't possess those traits - I wouldn't take them. I feel like I could take a guy with those traits and win games - they are the most important to running my system. Mobility, size, elusiveness, win/loss percentage, strength of schedule, P5 conference - those are all added benefits, but they don't take the place of any of the above 5 traits.
Have you applied for a scouting position with the Browns?
I think that often teams go into drafts with no profile, or are so enticed by certain aspects that hey are willing to go off profile.
For instance, you're sitting their with the first overall pick and there's a guy with 6'5" size and 4.4 speed and a cannon for an arm is there, but only fits three out of five aspects of your profile...what do you do? That is an enticing player to pass up, because there's a chance he's a generational player. However, he's lazy and he's relatively inaccurate. For some teams, that's not a problem - but in the system I would implement, those would be game breakers regardless of physical prowess.
The profile exists for a reason, good teams trust the profile...bad teams do not.
I would love to be a scout, I think most of us would.
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You set a person with your can't miss attributes. You find the guy who best fits this profile. You take him if he's available. End of story.
It would be nice if it could work out that way. It often does not. I am sure the Raiders thought they had that with Jamarcus Russell. The Chargers with Ryan Leaf etc. etc.
Your profile doesn't have to be, and probably shouldn't be, the same as another team's. Similar, but not the same. I recently read an article on common attributes between top level franchise guys. May have been posted here, may have been on Reddit, I can't remember. But many of the top guys have many of the same attributes.
For instance, my profile would be:
1) Competitive/ High Work Ethic
2) Intelligent
3) Pocket Awareness
4) Above Average Pocket Awareness
5) Arm Strength
Your Profile? Pocket Awareness? Did your mama cut holes in your pockets so you would have something to play with?
Errr...did you mean this is the profile you would want to see from a QB.
Those are my absolute five. If they don't possess those traits - I wouldn't take them. I feel like I could take a guy with those traits and win games - they are the most important to running my system. Mobility, size, elusiveness, win/loss percentage, strength of schedule, P5 conference - those are all added benefits, but they don't take the place of any of the above 5 traits.
Have you applied for a scouting position with the Browns?
I think that often teams go into drafts with no profile, or are so enticed by certain aspects that hey are willing to go off profile.
For instance, you're sitting their with the first overall pick and there's a guy with 6'5" size and 4.4 speed and a cannon for an arm is there, but only fits three out of five aspects of your profile...what do you do? That is an enticing player to pass up, because there's a chance he's a generational player. However, he's lazy and he's relatively inaccurate. For some teams, that's not a problem - but in the system I would implement, those would be game breakers regardless of physical prowess.
The profile exists for a reason, good teams trust the profile...bad teams do not.
I would love to be a scout, I think most of us would.
I think that often teams go into drafts with no profile, or are so enticed by certain aspects that hey are willing to go off profile.
For instance, you're sitting their with the first overall pick and there's a guy with 6'5" size and 4.4 speed and a cannon for an arm is there, but only fits three out of five aspects of your profile...what do you do? That is an enticing player to pass up, because there's a chance he's a generational player. However, he's lazy and he's relatively inaccurate. For some teams, that's not a problem - but in the system I would implement, those would be game breakers regardless of physical prowess.
I believe that a person that would fulfull all the attributes that you are looking for may only come around once every 10-12 years. Elway, Peyton, Luck.
(maybe Newton?)
In between I guess teams have to "settle" for a guy that has most but not all of those assets.
The profile exists for a reason, good teams trust the profile...bad teams do not.
But, serendipity is at play as well. You have to be bad at the right time....or have some other luck working for you.
(or, in the Colts case....create your own bad luck by purposely tanking at the right time).
It always seems like the Colts are at play in these situations.....drafted Elway...Elway smart enough to know not to play for Irsay Sr......Broncos get lucky. Tanked for both Peyton and Luck.
I would love to be a scout, I think most of us would.
Most of us may like it, but couldn't do it. Like me. I never played in college and wouldn't know the real intracacies of scouting a player....li, you may having done that.
Though....it seems some times us rank amateurs could do a better guy than the professionals actually doing it. E. g. I wanted the Browns to take Martavis Bryant in the third round of that draft. They pass him up....and trade up for Terrence West.....who is simply acting now as a snitch for the Ravens....and Bryant is a star. I could have drafted that one better than Farmer...or Lombardi...or whomever made that pick.
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I think that often teams go into drafts with no profile, or are so enticed by certain aspects that hey are willing to go off profile.
For instance, you're sitting their with the first overall pick and there's a guy with 6'5" size and 4.4 speed and a cannon for an arm is there, but only fits three out of five aspects of your profile...what do you do? That is an enticing player to pass up, because there's a chance he's a generational player. However, he's lazy and he's relatively inaccurate. For some teams, that's not a problem - but in the system I would implement, those would be game breakers regardless of physical prowess.
I believe that a person that would fulfull all the attributes that you are looking for may only come around once every 10-12 years. Elway, Peyton, Luck.
(maybe Newton?)
In between I guess teams have to "settle" for a guy that has most but not all of those assets.
The profile exists for a reason, good teams trust the profile...bad teams do not.
But, serendipity is at play as well. You have to be bad at the right time....or have some other luck working for you.
(or, in the Colts case....create your own bad luck by purposely tanking at the right time).
It always seems like the Colts are at play in these situations.....drafted Elway...Elway smart enough to know not to play for Irsay Sr......Broncos get lucky. Tanked for both Peyton and Luck.
I would love to be a scout, I think most of us would.
Most of us may like it, but couldn't do it. Like me. I never played in college and wouldn't know the real intracacies of scouting a player....li, you may having done that.
Though....it seems some times us rank amateurs could do a better guy than the professionals actually doing it. E. g. I wanted the Browns to take Martavis Bryant in the third round of that draft. They pass him up....and trade up for Terrence West.....who is simply acting now as a snitch for the Ravens....and Bryant is a star. I could have drafted that one better than Farmer...or Lombardi...or whomever made that pick.
I think that often teams go into drafts with no profile, or are so enticed by certain aspects that hey are willing to go off profile.
For instance, you're sitting their with the first overall pick and there's a guy with 6'5" size and 4.4 speed and a cannon for an arm is there, but only fits three out of five aspects of your profile...what do you do? That is an enticing player to pass up, because there's a chance he's a generational player. However, he's lazy and he's relatively inaccurate. For some teams, that's not a problem - but in the system I would implement, those would be game breakers regardless of physical prowess.
I believe that a person that would fulfull all the attributes that you are looking for may only come around once every 10-12 years. Elway, Peyton, Luck.
(maybe Newton?)
In between I guess teams have to "settle" for a guy that has most but not all of those assets.
The profile exists for a reason, good teams trust the profile...bad teams do not.
But, serendipity is at play as well. You have to be bad at the right time....or have some other luck working for you.
(or, in the Colts case....create your own bad luck by purposely tanking at the right time).
It always seems like the Colts are at play in these situations.....drafted Elway...Elway smart enough to know not to play for Irsay Sr......Broncos get lucky. Tanked for both Peyton and Luck.
I would love to be a scout, I think most of us would.
Most of us may like it, but couldn't do it. Like me. I never played in college and wouldn't know the real intracacies of scouting a player....li, you may having done that.
Though....it seems some times us rank amateurs could do a better guy than the professionals actually doing it. E. g. I wanted the Browns to take Martavis Bryant in the third round of that draft. They pass him up....and trade up for Terrence West.....who is simply acting now as a snitch for the Ravens....and Bryant is a star. I could have drafted that one better than Farmer...or Lombardi...or whomever made that pick.
I think there are plenty of guys that exemplify that list if you are willing to overlook other aspects. For instance, I'd say Johnny possesses those qualities, with a question mark on his work ethic. He has above average accuracy and arm strength. It's safe to say he has great awareness, it's what he does after he feels pressure that needs to be refined. And he is highly competitive and has high football IQ.
I think all of our QB's possess these five traits, actually - with the exception of Shaw (arm strength).
The combination of the above traits along with mobility,elusiveness, size, etc. is where the generational prospects may come in. But there's probably two QB's a draft that are accurate, competitive, aware, intelligent, slightly strong QB's. They just have faced weak competition, or they are undersized, or they have off-field concerns, or they lost a lot of college games.
I believe a lot of it has to do with the environment you're put in. Martavis has great talent around him and, for the most part, isn't relied on whatsoever in that offense. He's drawing second tier coverage and has a future HOF QB throwing to him, along with two talented RB's that the defenses have to key in on. It's the same as Mike Wallace in my opinion. Very talented player who benefits from the environment that he's in. Could he replicate the same success here? I don't believe so. Would he be better than any receiver not named Benjamin (and also probably Benjamin) - probably.
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