2016 DRAFT who's your boy?
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He had a rough game last night with the penalties, that's for damn certain. I don't recall Joey ever pressing a snap count that hard and being that far off.
Another player of note I might have to watch - Zettel out of Penn State.
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He had a rough game, and I feel bad for him. He's still a very talented player, and he's allowed to have an off game now and then. Of course, you'd like to see him play his best when it matters most, but that doesn't always happen. I think the biggest issue I'm seeing right now is the fact I don't see ANYONE worthy of the #1 pick. Maybe that OL Tunsil...but I don't see us going that route. To be honest, I don't see us having the #1 pick either, but it certainly appears we'll be in the top 5. Bosa certainly fills an immense need on our team, and we are desperate for talented pass rushers. Another position of need is WR, and Laquon Treadwell is the guy I'm hearing as the best WR in the draft. He's not a giant, I believe he's listed around 6'2, but he plays much bigger, and he WILL go up and snag the ball. Again, is he worthy of a top 5 selection? We all know that Farmer has not historically placed that much value on WR's early in the draft...but maybe he's learned from that. Those are my two guys, and they both fill gigantic voids on our team. We obviously can't depend on Josh Gordon, and Mary Kay said there are people within our organization that are ready to part ways, and we have some that want him back. If for whatever reason Gordon does come back, AND we draft Treadwell...the dynamic of our offense COMPLETELY changes.
Hey...a fan can dream. Of course, Bosa and Treadwell are only my two favs assuming Manziel is our future. I really do believe Manziel will demonstrate enough promise and talent to be our starter next year, so we won't select a QB with our first pick of the draft. I'm not saying we won't take one with our second, third, or fourth...but I don't believe we'll take a QB first overall. As of right now, I don't see a QB candidate with enough talent to warrant that selection. I'm intrigued by a few, but nobody in this upcoming draft screams, "I can come in right now and start".
Remember how clueless Johnny looked last year? Look at the difference a year makes. I'm not saying Manziel has looked like the second coming, but he's definitely a different guy. Who is to say he won't have another dramatic improvement next year...or even THIS season? That Bengals defense has made a ton of QB's look bad or mediocre. Manziel can be our guy.
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Right now... for the Browns?
Joey Bosa is my #1. He has been inconsistent this year, but his upside cannot be denied.
Jaylon Smith is a good target at this point. He plays very fast and is super-talented. He could immediately start over Kirksey or Robertson IMHO.
Jalen Ramsey is a freak athlete. If we lose Gipson, this kid would be an immediate replacement.
Shilique Calhoun, Scooby Wright, Jonathan Allen, and Yannick Ngakoue... All look like potential 3-down OLBs with Calhoun being my favorite out of the bunch...
Treadwell and Thomas also look pretty good as WRs, but not Top 5 pick type of good...
Right now, I have a hard time seeing anybody that is worth a top 3 pick... other than Bosa maybe... so if we are picking that high, I would love to see us make a trade with a QB-needy team so we can add talent on the front 7 and at the skill positions...
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Bottom line, you don't take a QB simply to address the 'franchise' elephant in the room. You pick a guy because he has the makings of a ten year signal caller.
Picking a QB and trying to convince yourself he's the guy is how you end up with Gabbert, Freeman, Weeden etc etc.
Bottom line, you don't take a QB simply to address the 'franchise' elephant in the room. You pick a guy because he has the makings of a ten year signal caller.
Picking a QB and trying to convince yourself he's the guy is how you end up with Gabbert, Freeman, Weeden etc etc.
Joe Montana: 3rd round pick
Tom Brady: 6th round pick
Russell Wilson: 3rd round pick.
Favre: 2d round pick
Brees: 2d round pick
Dan Fouts: 3rd round pick
John Unitas: 9th round pick
Bart Starr: 17th round pick
But, OK your chances are better with this:
Terry Bradshaw #1 overall pick
Peyton Manning #1 overall pick
John Elway #1 overall pick
Troy Aikman #1 overall pick
So, you can go high....and you can go low. But finding a guy is tough.
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Bottom line, you don't take a QB simply to address the 'franchise' elephant in the room. You pick a guy because he has the makings of a ten year signal caller.
Picking a QB and trying to convince yourself he's the guy is how you end up with Gabbert, Freeman, Weeden etc etc.
Joe Montana: 3rd round pick
Tom Brady: 6th round pick
Russell Wilson: 3rd round pick.
Favre: 2d round pick
Brees: 2d round pick
Dan Fouts: 3rd round pick
John Unitas: 9th round pick
Bart Starr: 17th round pick
But, OK your chances are better with this:
Terry Bradshaw #1 overall pick
Peyton Manning #1 overall pick
John Elway #1 overall pick
Troy Aikman #1 overall pick
So, you can go high....and you can go low. But finding a guy is tough.
Joe Montana: 3rd round pick
Tom Brady: 6th round pick
Russell Wilson: 3rd round pick.
Favre: 2d round pick
Brees: 2d round pick
Dan Fouts: 3rd round pick
John Unitas: 9th round pick
Bart Starr: 17th round pick
But, OK your chances are better with this:
Terry Bradshaw #1 overall pick
Peyton Manning #1 overall pick
John Elway #1 overall pick
Troy Aikman #1 overall pick
So, you can go high....and you can go low. But finding a guy is tough.
You set a person with your can't miss attributes. You find the guy who best fits this profile. You take him if he's available. End of story.
Your profile doesn't have to be, and probably shouldn't be, the same as another team's. Similar, but not the same. I recently read an article on common attributes between top level franchise guys. May have been posted here, may have been on Reddit, I can't remember. But many of the top guys have many of the same attributes.
For instance, my profile would be:
1) Competitive/ High Work Ethic
2) Intelligent
3) Pocket Awareness
4) Above Average Pocket Awareness
5) Arm Strength
Those are my absolute five. If they don't possess those traits - I wouldn't take them. I feel like I could take a guy with those traits and win games - they are the most important to running my system. Mobility, size, elusiveness, win/loss percentage, strength of schedule, P5 conference - those are all added benefits, but they don't take the place of any of the above 5 traits.
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Joe Montana: 3rd round pick
Tom Brady: 6th round pick
Russell Wilson: 3rd round pick.
Favre: 2d round pick
Brees: 2d round pick
Dan Fouts: 3rd round pick
John Unitas: 9th round pick
Bart Starr: 17th round pick
But, OK your chances are better with this:
Terry Bradshaw #1 overall pick
Peyton Manning #1 overall pick
John Elway #1 overall pick
Troy Aikman #1 overall pick
So, you can go high....and you can go low. But finding a guy is tough.
You set a person with your can't miss attributes. You find the guy who best fits this profile. You take him if he's available. End of story.
Your profile doesn't have to be, and probably shouldn't be, the same as another team's. Similar, but not the same. I recently read an article on common attributes between top level franchise guys. May have been posted here, may have been on Reddit, I can't remember. But many of the top guys have many of the same attributes.
For instance, my profile would be:
1) Competitive/ High Work Ethic
2) Intelligent
3) Pocket Awareness
4) Above Average Pocket Awareness
5) Arm Strength
Those are my absolute five. If they don't possess those traits - I wouldn't take them. I feel like I could take a guy with those traits and win games - they are the most important to running my system. Mobility, size, elusiveness, win/loss percentage, strength of schedule, P5 conference - those are all added benefits, but they don't take the place of any of the above 5 traits.
You set a person with your can't miss attributes. You find the guy who best fits this profile. You take him if he's available. End of story.
It would be nice if it could work out that way. It often does not. I am sure the Raiders thought they had that with Jamarcus Russell. The Chargers with Ryan Leaf etc. etc.
Your profile doesn't have to be, and probably shouldn't be, the same as another team's. Similar, but not the same. I recently read an article on common attributes between top level franchise guys. May have been posted here, may have been on Reddit, I can't remember. But many of the top guys have many of the same attributes.
For instance, my profile would be:
1) Competitive/ High Work Ethic
2) Intelligent
3) Pocket Awareness
4) Above Average Pocket Awareness
5) Arm Strength
Your Profile? Pocket Awareness? Did your mama cut holes in your pockets so you would have something to play with?
Errr...did you mean this is the profile you would want to see from a QB.
Those are my absolute five. If they don't possess those traits - I wouldn't take them. I feel like I could take a guy with those traits and win games - they are the most important to running my system. Mobility, size, elusiveness, win/loss percentage, strength of schedule, P5 conference - those are all added benefits, but they don't take the place of any of the above 5 traits.
Have you applied for a scouting position with the Browns?
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You set a person with your can't miss attributes. You find the guy who best fits this profile. You take him if he's available. End of story.
It would be nice if it could work out that way. It often does not. I am sure the Raiders thought they had that with Jamarcus Russell. The Chargers with Ryan Leaf etc. etc.
Your profile doesn't have to be, and probably shouldn't be, the same as another team's. Similar, but not the same. I recently read an article on common attributes between top level franchise guys. May have been posted here, may have been on Reddit, I can't remember. But many of the top guys have many of the same attributes.
For instance, my profile would be:
1) Competitive/ High Work Ethic
2) Intelligent
3) Pocket Awareness
4) Above Average Pocket Awareness
5) Arm Strength
Your Profile? Pocket Awareness? Did your mama cut holes in your pockets so you would have something to play with?
Errr...did you mean this is the profile you would want to see from a QB.
Those are my absolute five. If they don't possess those traits - I wouldn't take them. I feel like I could take a guy with those traits and win games - they are the most important to running my system. Mobility, size, elusiveness, win/loss percentage, strength of schedule, P5 conference - those are all added benefits, but they don't take the place of any of the above 5 traits.
Have you applied for a scouting position with the Browns?
You set a person with your can't miss attributes. You find the guy who best fits this profile. You take him if he's available. End of story.
It would be nice if it could work out that way. It often does not. I am sure the Raiders thought they had that with Jamarcus Russell. The Chargers with Ryan Leaf etc. etc.
Your profile doesn't have to be, and probably shouldn't be, the same as another team's. Similar, but not the same. I recently read an article on common attributes between top level franchise guys. May have been posted here, may have been on Reddit, I can't remember. But many of the top guys have many of the same attributes.
For instance, my profile would be:
1) Competitive/ High Work Ethic
2) Intelligent
3) Pocket Awareness
4) Above Average Pocket Awareness
5) Arm Strength
Your Profile? Pocket Awareness? Did your mama cut holes in your pockets so you would have something to play with?
Errr...did you mean this is the profile you would want to see from a QB.
Those are my absolute five. If they don't possess those traits - I wouldn't take them. I feel like I could take a guy with those traits and win games - they are the most important to running my system. Mobility, size, elusiveness, win/loss percentage, strength of schedule, P5 conference - those are all added benefits, but they don't take the place of any of the above 5 traits.
Have you applied for a scouting position with the Browns?
I think that often teams go into drafts with no profile, or are so enticed by certain aspects that hey are willing to go off profile.
For instance, you're sitting their with the first overall pick and there's a guy with 6'5" size and 4.4 speed and a cannon for an arm is there, but only fits three out of five aspects of your profile...what do you do? That is an enticing player to pass up, because there's a chance he's a generational player. However, he's lazy and he's relatively inaccurate. For some teams, that's not a problem - but in the system I would implement, those would be game breakers regardless of physical prowess.
The profile exists for a reason, good teams trust the profile...bad teams do not.
I would love to be a scout, I think most of us would.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
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You set a person with your can't miss attributes. You find the guy who best fits this profile. You take him if he's available. End of story.
It would be nice if it could work out that way. It often does not. I am sure the Raiders thought they had that with Jamarcus Russell. The Chargers with Ryan Leaf etc. etc.
Your profile doesn't have to be, and probably shouldn't be, the same as another team's. Similar, but not the same. I recently read an article on common attributes between top level franchise guys. May have been posted here, may have been on Reddit, I can't remember. But many of the top guys have many of the same attributes.
For instance, my profile would be:
1) Competitive/ High Work Ethic
2) Intelligent
3) Pocket Awareness
4) Above Average Pocket Awareness
5) Arm Strength
Your Profile? Pocket Awareness? Did your mama cut holes in your pockets so you would have something to play with?
Errr...did you mean this is the profile you would want to see from a QB.
Those are my absolute five. If they don't possess those traits - I wouldn't take them. I feel like I could take a guy with those traits and win games - they are the most important to running my system. Mobility, size, elusiveness, win/loss percentage, strength of schedule, P5 conference - those are all added benefits, but they don't take the place of any of the above 5 traits.
Have you applied for a scouting position with the Browns?
I think that often teams go into drafts with no profile, or are so enticed by certain aspects that hey are willing to go off profile.
For instance, you're sitting their with the first overall pick and there's a guy with 6'5" size and 4.4 speed and a cannon for an arm is there, but only fits three out of five aspects of your profile...what do you do? That is an enticing player to pass up, because there's a chance he's a generational player. However, he's lazy and he's relatively inaccurate. For some teams, that's not a problem - but in the system I would implement, those would be game breakers regardless of physical prowess.
The profile exists for a reason, good teams trust the profile...bad teams do not.
I would love to be a scout, I think most of us would.
I think that often teams go into drafts with no profile, or are so enticed by certain aspects that hey are willing to go off profile.
For instance, you're sitting their with the first overall pick and there's a guy with 6'5" size and 4.4 speed and a cannon for an arm is there, but only fits three out of five aspects of your profile...what do you do? That is an enticing player to pass up, because there's a chance he's a generational player. However, he's lazy and he's relatively inaccurate. For some teams, that's not a problem - but in the system I would implement, those would be game breakers regardless of physical prowess.
I believe that a person that would fulfull all the attributes that you are looking for may only come around once every 10-12 years. Elway, Peyton, Luck.
(maybe Newton?)
In between I guess teams have to "settle" for a guy that has most but not all of those assets.
The profile exists for a reason, good teams trust the profile...bad teams do not.
But, serendipity is at play as well. You have to be bad at the right time....or have some other luck working for you.
(or, in the Colts case....create your own bad luck by purposely tanking at the right time).
It always seems like the Colts are at play in these situations.....drafted Elway...Elway smart enough to know not to play for Irsay Sr......Broncos get lucky. Tanked for both Peyton and Luck.
I would love to be a scout, I think most of us would.
Most of us may like it, but couldn't do it. Like me. I never played in college and wouldn't know the real intracacies of scouting a player....li, you may having done that.
Though....it seems some times us rank amateurs could do a better guy than the professionals actually doing it. E. g. I wanted the Browns to take Martavis Bryant in the third round of that draft. They pass him up....and trade up for Terrence West.....who is simply acting now as a snitch for the Ravens....and Bryant is a star. I could have drafted that one better than Farmer...or Lombardi...or whomever made that pick.
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I think that often teams go into drafts with no profile, or are so enticed by certain aspects that hey are willing to go off profile.
For instance, you're sitting their with the first overall pick and there's a guy with 6'5" size and 4.4 speed and a cannon for an arm is there, but only fits three out of five aspects of your profile...what do you do? That is an enticing player to pass up, because there's a chance he's a generational player. However, he's lazy and he's relatively inaccurate. For some teams, that's not a problem - but in the system I would implement, those would be game breakers regardless of physical prowess.
I believe that a person that would fulfull all the attributes that you are looking for may only come around once every 10-12 years. Elway, Peyton, Luck.
(maybe Newton?)
In between I guess teams have to "settle" for a guy that has most but not all of those assets.
The profile exists for a reason, good teams trust the profile...bad teams do not.
But, serendipity is at play as well. You have to be bad at the right time....or have some other luck working for you.
(or, in the Colts case....create your own bad luck by purposely tanking at the right time).
It always seems like the Colts are at play in these situations.....drafted Elway...Elway smart enough to know not to play for Irsay Sr......Broncos get lucky. Tanked for both Peyton and Luck.
I would love to be a scout, I think most of us would.
Most of us may like it, but couldn't do it. Like me. I never played in college and wouldn't know the real intracacies of scouting a player....li, you may having done that.
Though....it seems some times us rank amateurs could do a better guy than the professionals actually doing it. E. g. I wanted the Browns to take Martavis Bryant in the third round of that draft. They pass him up....and trade up for Terrence West.....who is simply acting now as a snitch for the Ravens....and Bryant is a star. I could have drafted that one better than Farmer...or Lombardi...or whomever made that pick.
I think that often teams go into drafts with no profile, or are so enticed by certain aspects that hey are willing to go off profile.
For instance, you're sitting their with the first overall pick and there's a guy with 6'5" size and 4.4 speed and a cannon for an arm is there, but only fits three out of five aspects of your profile...what do you do? That is an enticing player to pass up, because there's a chance he's a generational player. However, he's lazy and he's relatively inaccurate. For some teams, that's not a problem - but in the system I would implement, those would be game breakers regardless of physical prowess.
I believe that a person that would fulfull all the attributes that you are looking for may only come around once every 10-12 years. Elway, Peyton, Luck.
(maybe Newton?)
In between I guess teams have to "settle" for a guy that has most but not all of those assets.
The profile exists for a reason, good teams trust the profile...bad teams do not.
But, serendipity is at play as well. You have to be bad at the right time....or have some other luck working for you.
(or, in the Colts case....create your own bad luck by purposely tanking at the right time).
It always seems like the Colts are at play in these situations.....drafted Elway...Elway smart enough to know not to play for Irsay Sr......Broncos get lucky. Tanked for both Peyton and Luck.
I would love to be a scout, I think most of us would.
Most of us may like it, but couldn't do it. Like me. I never played in college and wouldn't know the real intracacies of scouting a player....li, you may having done that.
Though....it seems some times us rank amateurs could do a better guy than the professionals actually doing it. E. g. I wanted the Browns to take Martavis Bryant in the third round of that draft. They pass him up....and trade up for Terrence West.....who is simply acting now as a snitch for the Ravens....and Bryant is a star. I could have drafted that one better than Farmer...or Lombardi...or whomever made that pick.
I think there are plenty of guys that exemplify that list if you are willing to overlook other aspects. For instance, I'd say Johnny possesses those qualities, with a question mark on his work ethic. He has above average accuracy and arm strength. It's safe to say he has great awareness, it's what he does after he feels pressure that needs to be refined. And he is highly competitive and has high football IQ.
I think all of our QB's possess these five traits, actually - with the exception of Shaw (arm strength).
The combination of the above traits along with mobility,elusiveness, size, etc. is where the generational prospects may come in. But there's probably two QB's a draft that are accurate, competitive, aware, intelligent, slightly strong QB's. They just have faced weak competition, or they are undersized, or they have off-field concerns, or they lost a lot of college games.
I believe a lot of it has to do with the environment you're put in. Martavis has great talent around him and, for the most part, isn't relied on whatsoever in that offense. He's drawing second tier coverage and has a future HOF QB throwing to him, along with two talented RB's that the defenses have to key in on. It's the same as Mike Wallace in my opinion. Very talented player who benefits from the environment that he's in. Could he replicate the same success here? I don't believe so. Would he be better than any receiver not named Benjamin (and also probably Benjamin) - probably.
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