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  • gftChris gftChrisG
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    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-34908469

    Of course there's confusion as to what exactly happened:

    "While Turkey is talking about shooting down a plane over its airspace, Russia is saying first and foremost that this Russian plane was in Syrian airspace for the entirety of its flight and it claims it can prove that."
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      gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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      To clarify, this is the country. Not a suicidal, one-last-rampage-before-Thasnkgiving turkey.

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        P Pumpkin Eater wrote on last edited by
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        Wwiii

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          bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by
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          The fact that Turkey is a NATO member only makes this worse.

          I suspect the Russians will not react so kindly.

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            C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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            did the pilot at least get out ok? fuck this annoying, completely predictable but srly annoying

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              C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by Clevfan4life
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              on the flipside, won't be playing slap and tickle on the Turkish border anymore huh?

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                on the flipside, won't be playing slap and tickle on the Turkish border anymore huh?

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                bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by
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                @clevfan4life said:

                on the flipside, won't be playing slap and tickle on the Turkish border anymore huh?

                Russia says the planes were in Syrian territory, but regardless Russia already said Turkey is an accomplice of terrorists - so things could get interesting.

                Pretty much everybody in the presidential race intends to put a no-fly zone over the Iraq-Syria border - which is obviously a huge point for Isis targets I'd imagine. So if Hillary/Bush/Carson/Cruz/Rubio/Kasich/One of those guys get elected president then we may be in WW3 😉

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                  did the pilot at least get out ok? fuck this annoying, completely predictable but srly annoying

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                  LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                  @clevfan4life said:

                  did the pilot at least get out ok? fuck this annoying, completely predictable but srly annoying

                  Rebels are reporting that the plane landed on their turf and that the pilot is dead.

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                    on the flipside, won't be playing slap and tickle on the Turkish border anymore huh?

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                    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                    @clevfan4life said:

                    on the flipside, won't be playing slap and tickle on the Turkish border anymore huh?

                    Russia has been allowed to fly their planes into European airspace with no repercussions for years. They probably thought Turkey would let them do the same thing.

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                      C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                      oh i'll bet technically the plane wasn't in Turkish space, but the Turks warned them don't even come close after a couple rooskies went into Turkish space. So if that plane was toeing the border than....well......the Turks are not punks, they gave em one time to fuck off. Now that radar's hot huh? I hope the Russians got a lesson in not playing cowboy.

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                        C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                        aaaaaannnnnnnddd they shot the pilots as they came down. Brilliant. I think it was Turkish rebel groups or something so thank god actual Turkish troops didn't do it otherwise yeah we'd be at war already.

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                          gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                          FWIW, 'alliance' jets have been searching for a russian sub in the north sea for the last 10 days. It was spotted off the coast of scotland at that time, and the UK doesn't have the jets that can hunt subs, so we're being helped by the french.

                          Fucking russians have been pissing me off with this 'I'm not in your territory I'm allowed to be here' bullshit they've been pulling over the last couple of years. I'm not shocked it caught up with them.

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                            C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                            and now they're reporting the pilots are alive, I should have known better than to look at internet news. I'll wait for PBS news tonight to hear all that is "confirmed" and not an ounce of narrative pushing media bias.

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                              and now they're reporting the pilots are alive, I should have known better than to look at internet news. I'll wait for PBS news tonight to hear all that is "confirmed" and not an ounce of narrative pushing media bias.

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                              jbluhm86J jbluhm86 wrote on last edited by jbluhm86
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                              @clevfan4life said:

                              and now they're reporting the pilots are alive, I should have known better than to look at internet news. I'll wait for PBS news tonight to hear all that is "confirmed" and not an ounce of narrative pushing media bias.

                              Ah, but you forget Cleve, PBS is funded by the government, so that means Obamao is using it to push his leftist, socialist, commie lib agenda.

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                                gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                Logic, as they say, is for squares.

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                                  Logic, as they say, is for squares.

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                                  LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                                  @gftchris said:

                                  Logic, as they say, is for squares.

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                                    bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by bbedward
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                                    Obama is quickly supporting Turkey, no surprise there.

                                    If you know anything about Russia and Putin, they aren't going to back down over this. They're basically saying Turkey supports terrorists.

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                                    Here's Putin's statement:

                                    We have long identified that there are a lot of oil and petro products coming to Turkey from [iSIS] territory. And some of these military groups get their financing from there. And now they stab us in the back; they hit our planes that are fighting terrorism. Together with the US partners, we signed an agreement to prevent incidents in the air.

                                    And they announce that they are fighting terrorism as part of the US-led coalition. If ISIS has these amounts of money — and could it be even billions of dollars — due to the sales of oil and plus they have protection of the armed forces of the big state, then now it's clear why they're so blatant, why they kill people in the most barbarous, heinous ways. Why they conduct terrorist attacks in many places, including in the heart of Europe.

                                    Certainly, we will analyze what's happening very seriously, and today's tragic event will have serious consequences for Russian-Turkish relations. We have always treated Turkey as not just a close neighbor, but as a friendly state. I don't know in whose interests today's incident is, but it's not in our interest. And instead of immediately establishing the necessary contacting us, the Turkish authorities immediately their NATO partners, as if we downed a Turkish jet.

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                                      Obama is quickly supporting Turkey, no surprise there.

                                      If you know anything about Russia and Putin, they aren't going to back down over this. They're basically saying Turkey supports terrorists.

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                                      Here's Putin's statement:

                                      We have long identified that there are a lot of oil and petro products coming to Turkey from [iSIS] territory. And some of these military groups get their financing from there. And now they stab us in the back; they hit our planes that are fighting terrorism. Together with the US partners, we signed an agreement to prevent incidents in the air.

                                      And they announce that they are fighting terrorism as part of the US-led coalition. If ISIS has these amounts of money — and could it be even billions of dollars — due to the sales of oil and plus they have protection of the armed forces of the big state, then now it's clear why they're so blatant, why they kill people in the most barbarous, heinous ways. Why they conduct terrorist attacks in many places, including in the heart of Europe.

                                      Certainly, we will analyze what's happening very seriously, and today's tragic event will have serious consequences for Russian-Turkish relations. We have always treated Turkey as not just a close neighbor, but as a friendly state. I don't know in whose interests today's incident is, but it's not in our interest. And instead of immediately establishing the necessary contacting us, the Turkish authorities immediately their NATO partners, as if we downed a Turkish jet.

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                                      gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                      @bbedward said:

                                      Obama is quickly supporting Turkey, no surprise there.

                                      If you know anything about Russia and Putin, they aren't going to back down over this. They're basically saying Turkey supports terrorists.

                                      Not even basically, explicitly:

                                      • “The loss today is a stab in the back, carried out by the accomplices of terrorists. I can’t describe it in any other way.”
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                                        bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by bbedward
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                                        The FSA used an american missile to blow the Russian rescue chopper out of the sky too that was going to search for the pilots. (The FSA is who the USA supports 100%) while yelling allahu akbar - also saw a video yelling over the pilots dead corpse "allahu akbar"

                                        So called "moderates"

                                        http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/11/24/reports-syrian-rebels-down-russian-rescue-helicopter/76310300/

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                                        Personally, I think we should use this as an excuse to quit on the rebels and stop arming them. Obama will double down though and say they were right to shoot down the search and rescue chopper and chant allahu akbar over the dead bodies on video and post it to social media

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                                          C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                                          are you fucking kidding me? they shot the rescue chopper down? oh ffs this is gonna get real ugly.

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