Russian plane shot down by Turkey
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on the flipside, won't be playing slap and tickle on the Turkish border anymore huh?
on the flipside, won't be playing slap and tickle on the Turkish border anymore huh?
Russia has been allowed to fly their planes into European airspace with no repercussions for years. They probably thought Turkey would let them do the same thing.
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oh i'll bet technically the plane wasn't in Turkish space, but the Turks warned them don't even come close after a couple rooskies went into Turkish space. So if that plane was toeing the border than....well......the Turks are not punks, they gave em one time to fuck off. Now that radar's hot huh? I hope the Russians got a lesson in not playing cowboy.
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aaaaaannnnnnnddd they shot the pilots as they came down. Brilliant. I think it was Turkish rebel groups or something so thank god actual Turkish troops didn't do it otherwise yeah we'd be at war already.
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FWIW, 'alliance' jets have been searching for a russian sub in the north sea for the last 10 days. It was spotted off the coast of scotland at that time, and the UK doesn't have the jets that can hunt subs, so we're being helped by the french.
Fucking russians have been pissing me off with this 'I'm not in your territory I'm allowed to be here' bullshit they've been pulling over the last couple of years. I'm not shocked it caught up with them.
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and now they're reporting the pilots are alive, I should have known better than to look at internet news. I'll wait for PBS news tonight to hear all that is "confirmed" and not an ounce of narrative pushing media bias.
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and now they're reporting the pilots are alive, I should have known better than to look at internet news. I'll wait for PBS news tonight to hear all that is "confirmed" and not an ounce of narrative pushing media bias.
Ah, but you forget Cleve, PBS is funded by the government, so that means Obamao is using it to push his leftist, socialist, commie lib agenda.and now they're reporting the pilots are alive, I should have known better than to look at internet news. I'll wait for PBS news tonight to hear all that is "confirmed" and not an ounce of narrative pushing media bias.
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Obama is quickly supporting Turkey, no surprise there.
If you know anything about Russia and Putin, they aren't going to back down over this. They're basically saying Turkey supports terrorists.
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Here's Putin's statement:
We have long identified that there are a lot of oil and petro products coming to Turkey from [iSIS] territory. And some of these military groups get their financing from there. And now they stab us in the back; they hit our planes that are fighting terrorism. Together with the US partners, we signed an agreement to prevent incidents in the air.
And they announce that they are fighting terrorism as part of the US-led coalition. If ISIS has these amounts of money — and could it be even billions of dollars — due to the sales of oil and plus they have protection of the armed forces of the big state, then now it's clear why they're so blatant, why they kill people in the most barbarous, heinous ways. Why they conduct terrorist attacks in many places, including in the heart of Europe.
Certainly, we will analyze what's happening very seriously, and today's tragic event will have serious consequences for Russian-Turkish relations. We have always treated Turkey as not just a close neighbor, but as a friendly state. I don't know in whose interests today's incident is, but it's not in our interest. And instead of immediately establishing the necessary contacting us, the Turkish authorities immediately their NATO partners, as if we downed a Turkish jet.
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Obama is quickly supporting Turkey, no surprise there.
If you know anything about Russia and Putin, they aren't going to back down over this. They're basically saying Turkey supports terrorists.
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Here's Putin's statement:
We have long identified that there are a lot of oil and petro products coming to Turkey from [iSIS] territory. And some of these military groups get their financing from there. And now they stab us in the back; they hit our planes that are fighting terrorism. Together with the US partners, we signed an agreement to prevent incidents in the air.
And they announce that they are fighting terrorism as part of the US-led coalition. If ISIS has these amounts of money — and could it be even billions of dollars — due to the sales of oil and plus they have protection of the armed forces of the big state, then now it's clear why they're so blatant, why they kill people in the most barbarous, heinous ways. Why they conduct terrorist attacks in many places, including in the heart of Europe.
Certainly, we will analyze what's happening very seriously, and today's tragic event will have serious consequences for Russian-Turkish relations. We have always treated Turkey as not just a close neighbor, but as a friendly state. I don't know in whose interests today's incident is, but it's not in our interest. And instead of immediately establishing the necessary contacting us, the Turkish authorities immediately their NATO partners, as if we downed a Turkish jet.
Obama is quickly supporting Turkey, no surprise there.
If you know anything about Russia and Putin, they aren't going to back down over this. They're basically saying Turkey supports terrorists.
Not even basically, explicitly:
- “The loss today is a stab in the back, carried out by the accomplices of terrorists. I can’t describe it in any other way.”
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The FSA used an american missile to blow the Russian rescue chopper out of the sky too that was going to search for the pilots. (The FSA is who the USA supports 100%) while yelling allahu akbar - also saw a video yelling over the pilots dead corpse "allahu akbar"
So called "moderates"
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Personally, I think we should use this as an excuse to quit on the rebels and stop arming them. Obama will double down though and say they were right to shoot down the search and rescue chopper and chant allahu akbar over the dead bodies on video and post it to social media
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are you fucking kidding me? they shot the rescue chopper down? oh ffs this is gonna get real ugly.
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are you fucking kidding me? they shot the rescue chopper down? oh ffs this is gonna get real ugly.
are you fucking kidding me? they shot the rescue chopper down? oh ffs this is gonna get real ugly.
The FSA ("moderate" rebels) shot at the two pilots while they were parachuting down (a war crime according to article 42 of protocol 1 of the geneva conventions) which killed one of them. Then they blew up the search and rescue chopper with an anti-tank missile from the USA - which killed the other one.
Ugly I'd say indeed, the cat's out of the bag now and we can pretty much confirm the "moderates" we're supporting are guilty of war crimes.
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I'm not sure even if the FSA we support was able to topple Assad in Syria that we would see any different result than what happened in Libya when we helped topple Khadaffi.
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From the reports that are coming in, it appears that the blame might be on Russia for this one; the pilot was warned multiple times to leave Turkish airspace before it was fired upon:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-turkey-russian-plane-20151124-story.html
Statement from NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg:
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_125052.htm
Either way, this situation needs to be resolved quickly before it spirals out of control. ISIS can only use any disagreement between Russia and NATO to its advantage.
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There's conflicting reports - some say the Russian plane was only in turkey air space for a few seconds 1.5km deep. And the pilots landed in Syria - where they got killed by the FSA. FSA also shot down rescue chopper and posted videos yelling allahu Akbar over the dead Russian bodies to social media.
People are scared of Russia, but Turkey doesn't have a history of being a good guy - their #1 goal is toppling Assad which is why they are anti-Russia but they buy oil from Isis and keep supply lines open, they helped prop up Isis, and bomb Kurdish fighters who fight Isis.
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It's safe to say whatever obummao does is the wrong thing, designed to severely weaken the U.S.
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oh i'll bet technically the plane wasn't in Turkish space, but the Turks warned them don't even come close after a couple rooskies went into Turkish space. So if that plane was toeing the border than....well......the Turks are not punks, they gave em one time to fuck off. Now that radar's hot huh? I hope the Russians got a lesson in not playing cowboy.
oh i'll bet technically the plane wasn't in Turkish space, but the Turks warned them don't even come close after a couple rooskies went into Turkish space. So if that plane was toeing the border than....well......the Turks are not punks, they gave em one time to fuck off. Now that radar's hot huh? I hope the Russians got a lesson in not playing cowboy.
LOL remember that rant you went on about how badass the Russian Migs were and not to fuck with them? LOL
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cleve just rants, it doesn't have to make any intelligent sense...
and usually doesn't.
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It's safe to say whatever obummao does is the wrong thing, designed to severely weaken the U.S.
It's safe to say whatever obummao does is the wrong thing, designed to severely weaken the U.S.
In this case, yes. Russian plane was in Turkish airspace for 17 seconds (Obama immediately supported Turkey without knowing the facts) and the FSA people we support barbarically laughed and yelled allahu akbar while shooting defenseless Russian pilots parachuting down and blew up the search and rescue chopper coming for them.
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