Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Was Gronk in rehab?
There's two camps here right, so I'll state my case one more time and let it go. While I hope Johnny the man got help he needed in rehab, I literally could not care the fuck less about how it aids in his image or the image of the Browns. The reason the Browns suck is because they have zero impact players. Seriously, our best player is a LT who while important to a franchise is a sad statement to make. I'm here to tell you that outside of patent illegal activities I could not care less about what the guys do. Manziel could go on a 6 day bender, wake up Sunday and light it up, and then go hit the club for all I care.
I'm so tired of people caring about how players actions make the Browns look. You know how the Browns look? Like the worst franchise in all professional sports except maybe the 76ers. Manziel has the ability to be the impact player but because he got his picture taken with champagne he's benched. That's so much worse than trotting out squeaky clean McCown who will put up decent numbers just to take bad sacks in the 2nd half and make a costly turnover to blow the game. I'm 26 years old almost and have been alive for two playoff seasons and 3 winning records. Let that sink in while we discuss benching a potential impact player cause it cuts me like a damn knife.
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Pettine just bought himself another year by actually holding players accountable for their actions. Good to see a coach that is actually trying to change this dismal culture in Cleveland.
Cleveland has always tried their hardest to avoid character guys: crabtree, dez, honey badger, and burfict to name a few.
And then they always end up with them anyways" winslow, Edwards, JM, Groves, stallworth
Great. Maybe someday he will start holding them accountable for playing like shit.
WSS
Great. Maybe someday he will start holding them accountable for playing like shit.
I think Pet is obliged to field a team on game day...
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We can surmise all we want, but the Browns don't need to coddle
JM.
And buttichek would never have drafted JM in the first freaking place.
They wanted Garoppolo - a choice that made sense
for the Browns.
Accidental/on purpose.... the Browns shouldn't have drafted him, and if he is
tanking his career so he can go play for Dallas and go back to Texas....
whatever. He still needs to be third string, and traded. Or cut. He's worn out his welcome.
JM's exploits and failures and rehab... and girlfriend and booze...have made a joke out of
the Browns, and Pettine's defense and the Browns lack of elite wr's and a GM that got suspended
for texting to the OC on the sideline.....
It's just time to get a real DC and GM. I don't dislike Pettine, but he is just set in his failing ways
and all he can do is to say the players just have to execute and play better.
The Browns players deserve better. The fans really deserve better.
JM's boozing it up, is just the very last straw. It's all the other stuff, including a complete
clusterfook his entire first year. How much of his three? fumbles this year, and some bad
decisions are due to his drinking?
Of course, we'll never know.
It's time for JM to go. He's run out of "second chances".
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I think Im about done with it(him) too.....
I was worried and bummed out when we picked him and he has proven to be EXACTLY what they said......so, thats a drag....
He really has brought this franchise zero positive anything.....and a SHIT LOAD of grief and angst to the FO, fans and his teammates....
You can blame Farmer(or Haslem) or who ever for picking him.....or you can blame the coach for miss handling him....
or you can just accept that he hasn't lived up to anything....and has some really fucked up priorities.....and has issues that he clearly cant control....
and if the Browns cant find a trade partner or get anything of value for him, then its pretty clear that the rest of the professionals in the league agree with Pettine and our FO.....
And if it is "no big deal" and johnny is a future star and our team is SO STUPID for not recognizing that....then they should be lining up for his services....
I await the bidding war!
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I'm just amazed how someone can read that the coaching staff told him what was expected of him over the bye week and then he went out and did exactly what they didn't want him to be doing and there's still some fanboys around here who are defending him and just as shocking....the fanboys defending it, aren't even all of the A&M dudes that showed up where when this assclown was drafted.
Pettine said he, offensive coordinator John DeFilippo and quarterbacks coach Kevin O'Connell had spoken with Manziel before the bye to make clear they expected he would handle himself "the right way."
"The bye week would be ... wouldn't use the word 'test,' but that's essentially what it ended up being," Pettine said.
How can anyone say he did nothing wrong? He was made aware of the expectations that the team had of him and he took those expectations and pissed all over them.
Because he did nothing wrong. And I'm not a fanboy, I could give a shit less who starts.
But a coaching staff that tries to coach players on what they are allowed to do on their own time, during a bye week, is no coaching staff that I would ever fucking want in this city.
The only disgrace here is how Pettine handles adult, professional football players. And I'm not the only one who feels that way.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Mr_KevinJones/status/669256341396054017
And for those that claim the front office was "in" on this decision - this is from Pettine's own mouth:
"GM and the owner are certainly 2 people I want to keep in the loop but it was simply to inform them of what we had decided"
Pettine KNOWS he's fired. So he was looking for any and all reason to bench Manziel. This was a complete non-story, ask Duke Johnson, ask Peter King - they've all voiced their opinion on this story.
Mike Pettine has absolutely no fucking say whatsoever on what a player does in their down time - he is not their employer. He doesn't sign their checks, nor does he have the ability to release them carte blanche. Pettine is nothing more than a supervisor, and a bad one at that. The only control Pettine has is whether or not to play Manziel, and he's executed that right - to the dismay of the fanbase and likely the owner as well. Regardless of what was said Manziel "promised" he would do, he's a free adult with a essentially a 14 day vacation. He volunteered, he took photos with fans at the Ohio State game, and he went to a nightclub. Hardly a fucking distraction - yet now it's blown entirely out of proportion because the only fans left of this shithole franchise are old enough to have watched Otto Graham play in person.
If you want to call this a violation of team rules - so be it. But don't act like Manziel did anything wrong, because he didn't.
I absolutely cannot wait for Mike Pettine to be fired. I think I'll relish that day more than when we beat Pittsburgh. The dude is a monumental fuckup with absolutely zero clue of how to be a professional head coach.
Because he did nothing wrong. And I'm not a fanboy, I could give a shit less who starts.
But a coaching staff that tries to coach players on what they are allowed to do on their own time, during a bye week, is no coaching staff that I would ever fucking want in this city.
The only disgrace here is how Pettine handles adult, professional football players. And I'm not the only one who feels that way.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Mr_KevinJones/status/669256341396054017
And for those that claim the front office was "in" on this decision - this is from Pettine's own mouth:
"GM and the owner are certainly 2 people I want to keep in the loop but it was simply to inform them of what we had decided"
Pettine KNOWS he's fired. So he was looking for any and all reason to bench Manziel. This was a complete non-story, ask Duke Johnson, ask Peter King - they've all voiced their opinion on this story.
Mike Pettine has absolutely no fucking say whatsoever on what a player does in their down time - he is not their employer. He doesn't sign their checks, nor does he have the ability to release them carte blanche. Pettine is nothing more than a supervisor, and a bad one at that. The only control Pettine has is whether or not to play Manziel, and he's executed that right - to the dismay of the fanbase and likely the owner as well. Regardless of what was said Manziel "promised" he would do, he's a free adult with a essentially a 14 day vacation. He volunteered, he took photos with fans at the Ohio State game, and he went to a nightclub. Hardly a fucking distraction - yet now it's blown entirely out of proportion because the only fans left of this shithole franchise are old enough to have watched Otto Graham play in person.
If you want to call this a violation of team rules - so be it. But don't act like Manziel did anything wrong, because he didn't.
I absolutely cannot wait for Mike Pettine to be fired. I think I'll relish that day more than when we beat Pittsburgh. The dude is a monumental fuckup with absolutely zero clue of how to be a professional head coach.
The post of a spoiled fanboy who didnt get what he wanted.
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
It will never work. The lifts in his shoes would slow him down....
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Was Gronk in rehab?
There's two camps here right, so I'll state my case one more time and let it go. While I hope Johnny the man got help he needed in rehab, I literally could not care the fuck less about how it aids in his image or the image of the Browns. The reason the Browns suck is because they have zero impact players. Seriously, our best player is a LT who while important to a franchise is a sad statement to make. I'm here to tell you that outside of patent illegal activities I could not care less about what the guys do. Manziel could go on a 6 day bender, wake up Sunday and light it up, and then go hit the club for all I care.
I'm so tired of people caring about how players actions make the Browns look. You know how the Browns look? Like the worst franchise in all professional sports except maybe the 76ers. Manziel has the ability to be the impact player but because he got his picture taken with champagne he's benched. That's so much worse than trotting out squeaky clean McCown who will put up decent numbers just to take bad sacks in the 2nd half and make a costly turnover to blow the game. I'm 26 years old almost and have been alive for two playoff seasons and 3 winning records. Let that sink in while we discuss benching a potential impact player cause it cuts me like a damn knife.
The reason the Browns suck is because they have zero impact players.
Agree, but the reason they are losing games is because of the bad defense.
I'm 26 years old almost and have been alive for two playoff seasons and 3 winning records.
I'm more than twice your age, and I can remember when the Browns were a VERY good team.
I never thought that a once proud organization would evolve to look like this.
Let that sink in while we discuss benching a potential impact player cause it cuts me like a damn knife.
QB play hasn't been that big of an issue this season, its the defense that has cost the Browns several victories.
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One thing that may come up is whether or not he is in the NFL substance abuse program......and I think there is a very good chance that he is.....
Reading the policy, he meets ALL the criteria for the program. With his college issues and very visible drinking habits, then a public admission followed by rehab.....he "should" be at minimum, stage one in the program.....My guess is he could be stage 2.....we will soon find out....
One of the interesting aspects to the new policy is that you can avoid your first suspension by obtaining "treatment"(ala rehab) for your problem. But continued use of that or ANY substance(including alcohol, ask Josh) will get you fined and or suspended.....
So, I would not be surprised to hear he has an upcoming suspension...4 games?....10 games?.....
And I could be 100% wrong......but if you read the policy....its all there in black and white....
And, before anyone says "we would know"... the fine for leaking any info is $500,000
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Zombo said:
Are we supposed to accept sub-standard QBs because they work hard?
I like Colt McCoy a lot. He wasn't good enough.
Zombo
Accept or don't accept. Just don't make your decisions based on bullshit like going out on your weekend off. If he had a game against Pittsburgh like he did against Cincinnati last year, that would be a valid reason.
Its either making progress that shows on the field or it's not.
WSS
Accept or don't accept. Just don't make your decisions based on bullshit like going out on your weekend off. If he had a game against Pittsburgh like he did against Cincinnati last year, that would be a valid reason.
Its either making progress that shows on the field or it's not.
WSS
He's not doing what the Cleveland Browns are asking.
He's not showing to commitment to the Cleveland Browns.
So am I going with Johnny Manziel or the Cleveland Browns on this one?
I'm going with the Browns.
We've got two guys under contract at the position for next year, there new draft picks and free agents every year. If this guy doesn't want to do what we are asking of him, then fuck him.
Zombo
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Actually you're going with Mike Pettine over the Cleveland Browns.
It's coach vs Johnny not Johnny VS Team.
My point again is bench somebody for poor play.
And so for this season everything that should be part of the coaches responsibility has been far worse than last year.
WSS
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Actually you're going with Mike Pettine over the Cleveland Browns.
It's coach vs Johnny not Johnny VS Team.
My point again is bench somebody for poor play.
And so for this season everything that should be part of the coaches responsibility has been far worse than last year.
WSS
Actually you're going with Mike Pettine over the Cleveland Browns.
It's coach vs Johnny not Johnny VS Team.
Maybe it is with you. Pettine has the support of Farmer and Haslem. I assume that means the entire organization.
If your boss (coach) says "don't do this" and you go out and do it ... I am not crying crocodile tears for you because you got demoted.
Zombo
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So Pettine is a slave driver? He dictates what players do on their own time? No wonder no one good ever wants to play for the Browns.
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So Pettine is a slave driver? He dictates what players do on their own time? No wonder no one good ever wants to play for the Browns.
So Pettine is a slave driver? He dictates what players do on their own time? No wonder no one good ever wants to play for the Browns.
He has the right to ask players to act like professionals....including on their off times. They ask for promises.....get them, then they are broken within hours literally. He has that right.
If the Collective Bargaining rules didn't disallow it, he could have asked Johnny to be in film study, practice, conditioning etc. etc. of every day of the bye week.
I see this as a CBA problem. The laxity of the rules of the CBA really allows for this to happen.
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So Pettine is a slave driver? He dictates what players do on their own time? No wonder no one good ever wants to play for the Browns.
So Pettine is a slave driver? He dictates what players do on their own time? No wonder no one good ever wants to play for the Browns.
He dictated what one player, yes one, player did in their free time after they have been shown to make shitty life decisions that effects their ability to be prepared for football games. If Johnny had been a drunk who showed up and knew the game plan, no one would give a shit.
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Because he did nothing wrong. And I'm not a fanboy, I could give a shit less who starts.
But a coaching staff that tries to coach players on what they are allowed to do on their own time, during a bye week, is no coaching staff that I would ever fucking want in this city.
The only disgrace here is how Pettine handles adult, professional football players. And I'm not the only one who feels that way.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Mr_KevinJones/status/669256341396054017
And for those that claim the front office was "in" on this decision - this is from Pettine's own mouth:
"GM and the owner are certainly 2 people I want to keep in the loop but it was simply to inform them of what we had decided"
Pettine KNOWS he's fired. So he was looking for any and all reason to bench Manziel. This was a complete non-story, ask Duke Johnson, ask Peter King - they've all voiced their opinion on this story.
Mike Pettine has absolutely no fucking say whatsoever on what a player does in their down time - he is not their employer. He doesn't sign their checks, nor does he have the ability to release them carte blanche. Pettine is nothing more than a supervisor, and a bad one at that. The only control Pettine has is whether or not to play Manziel, and he's executed that right - to the dismay of the fanbase and likely the owner as well. Regardless of what was said Manziel "promised" he would do, he's a free adult with a essentially a 14 day vacation. He volunteered, he took photos with fans at the Ohio State game, and he went to a nightclub. Hardly a fucking distraction - yet now it's blown entirely out of proportion because the only fans left of this shithole franchise are old enough to have watched Otto Graham play in person.
If you want to call this a violation of team rules - so be it. But don't act like Manziel did anything wrong, because he didn't.
I absolutely cannot wait for Mike Pettine to be fired. I think I'll relish that day more than when we beat Pittsburgh. The dude is a monumental fuckup with absolutely zero clue of how to be a professional head coach.
The post of a spoiled fanboy who didnt get what he wanted.
The post of a spoiled fanboy who didnt get what he wanted.
I wanted Bortles, but thanks for trying.
I'd argue with you, but you've never been one for logical thinking...or any thinking for that matter...so I'll just end it there.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
So Pettine is a slave driver? He dictates what players do on their own time? No wonder no one good ever wants to play for the Browns.
So Pettine is a slave driver? He dictates what players do on their own time? No wonder no one good ever wants to play for the Browns.
Only 1 of the 53 have a problem............ Hmmmmmm, I wonder if it's the other 52's, Pettine's or the 1's fault.......... Hmmmmm, tough question, I guess the world will never know.
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A terrible player makes terrible decisions.
Who's shocked?
I cry no crocodile tears. Manziel did this to himself.
Next.
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I wanted Bortles, but thanks for trying.
I'd argue with you, but you've never been one for logical thinking...or any thinking for that matter...so I'll just end it there.
The feeling is mutual. Now go hug Johnny's nuts and get drunk with him.. You two deserve each other.
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I wanted Bortles, but thanks for trying.
I'd argue with you, but you've never been one for logical thinking...or any thinking for that matter...so I'll just end it there.
The feeling is mutual. Now go hug Johnny's nuts and get drunk with him.. You two deserve each other.
The feeling is mutual. Now go hug Johnny's nuts and get drunk with him.. You two deserve each other.
I see reading comprehension isn't your strong point. Get your husband to explain it to you.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
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