Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Actually you're going with Mike Pettine over the Cleveland Browns.
It's coach vs Johnny not Johnny VS Team.
My point again is bench somebody for poor play.
And so for this season everything that should be part of the coaches responsibility has been far worse than last year.
WSS
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Actually you're going with Mike Pettine over the Cleveland Browns.
It's coach vs Johnny not Johnny VS Team.
My point again is bench somebody for poor play.
And so for this season everything that should be part of the coaches responsibility has been far worse than last year.
WSS
Actually you're going with Mike Pettine over the Cleveland Browns.
It's coach vs Johnny not Johnny VS Team.
Maybe it is with you. Pettine has the support of Farmer and Haslem. I assume that means the entire organization.
If your boss (coach) says "don't do this" and you go out and do it ... I am not crying crocodile tears for you because you got demoted.
Zombo
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So Pettine is a slave driver? He dictates what players do on their own time? No wonder no one good ever wants to play for the Browns.
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So Pettine is a slave driver? He dictates what players do on their own time? No wonder no one good ever wants to play for the Browns.
So Pettine is a slave driver? He dictates what players do on their own time? No wonder no one good ever wants to play for the Browns.
He has the right to ask players to act like professionals....including on their off times. They ask for promises.....get them, then they are broken within hours literally. He has that right.
If the Collective Bargaining rules didn't disallow it, he could have asked Johnny to be in film study, practice, conditioning etc. etc. of every day of the bye week.
I see this as a CBA problem. The laxity of the rules of the CBA really allows for this to happen.
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So Pettine is a slave driver? He dictates what players do on their own time? No wonder no one good ever wants to play for the Browns.
So Pettine is a slave driver? He dictates what players do on their own time? No wonder no one good ever wants to play for the Browns.
He dictated what one player, yes one, player did in their free time after they have been shown to make shitty life decisions that effects their ability to be prepared for football games. If Johnny had been a drunk who showed up and knew the game plan, no one would give a shit.
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Because he did nothing wrong. And I'm not a fanboy, I could give a shit less who starts.
But a coaching staff that tries to coach players on what they are allowed to do on their own time, during a bye week, is no coaching staff that I would ever fucking want in this city.
The only disgrace here is how Pettine handles adult, professional football players. And I'm not the only one who feels that way.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Mr_KevinJones/status/669256341396054017
And for those that claim the front office was "in" on this decision - this is from Pettine's own mouth:
"GM and the owner are certainly 2 people I want to keep in the loop but it was simply to inform them of what we had decided"
Pettine KNOWS he's fired. So he was looking for any and all reason to bench Manziel. This was a complete non-story, ask Duke Johnson, ask Peter King - they've all voiced their opinion on this story.
Mike Pettine has absolutely no fucking say whatsoever on what a player does in their down time - he is not their employer. He doesn't sign their checks, nor does he have the ability to release them carte blanche. Pettine is nothing more than a supervisor, and a bad one at that. The only control Pettine has is whether or not to play Manziel, and he's executed that right - to the dismay of the fanbase and likely the owner as well. Regardless of what was said Manziel "promised" he would do, he's a free adult with a essentially a 14 day vacation. He volunteered, he took photos with fans at the Ohio State game, and he went to a nightclub. Hardly a fucking distraction - yet now it's blown entirely out of proportion because the only fans left of this shithole franchise are old enough to have watched Otto Graham play in person.
If you want to call this a violation of team rules - so be it. But don't act like Manziel did anything wrong, because he didn't.
I absolutely cannot wait for Mike Pettine to be fired. I think I'll relish that day more than when we beat Pittsburgh. The dude is a monumental fuckup with absolutely zero clue of how to be a professional head coach.
The post of a spoiled fanboy who didnt get what he wanted.
The post of a spoiled fanboy who didnt get what he wanted.
I wanted Bortles, but thanks for trying.
I'd argue with you, but you've never been one for logical thinking...or any thinking for that matter...so I'll just end it there.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
So Pettine is a slave driver? He dictates what players do on their own time? No wonder no one good ever wants to play for the Browns.
So Pettine is a slave driver? He dictates what players do on their own time? No wonder no one good ever wants to play for the Browns.
Only 1 of the 53 have a problem............ Hmmmmmm, I wonder if it's the other 52's, Pettine's or the 1's fault.......... Hmmmmm, tough question, I guess the world will never know.
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A terrible player makes terrible decisions.
Who's shocked?
I cry no crocodile tears. Manziel did this to himself.
Next.
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I wanted Bortles, but thanks for trying.
I'd argue with you, but you've never been one for logical thinking...or any thinking for that matter...so I'll just end it there.
The feeling is mutual. Now go hug Johnny's nuts and get drunk with him.. You two deserve each other.
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I wanted Bortles, but thanks for trying.
I'd argue with you, but you've never been one for logical thinking...or any thinking for that matter...so I'll just end it there.
The feeling is mutual. Now go hug Johnny's nuts and get drunk with him.. You two deserve each other.
The feeling is mutual. Now go hug Johnny's nuts and get drunk with him.. You two deserve each other.
I see reading comprehension isn't your strong point. Get your husband to explain it to you.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
So Pettine is a slave driver? He dictates what players do on their own time? No wonder no one good ever wants to play for the Browns.
Only 1 of the 53 have a problem............ Hmmmmmm, I wonder if it's the other 52's, Pettine's or the 1's fault.......... Hmmmmm, tough question, I guess the world will never know.
Only 1 of the 53 have a problem............ Hmmmmmm, I wonder if it's the other 52's, Pettine's or the 1's fault.......... Hmmmmm, tough question, I guess the world will never know.
You mean to tell me every other player on the roster stayed home and studied their playbook this bye week? They didn't go anywhere? You mean every player is completely fine with how this coaching staff handles their players? Oh man, that's something to think about.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Just to inject a little humor, how funny would it be if McCown and Davis got hurt somehow and Manziel had to come in? That would be such a Cleveland Browns event to occur.
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I see reading comprehension isn't your strong point. Get your husband to explain it to you.
No. I clearly saw you wanted Bortles.. But you and Johnny are cut from the same drunken mold.. your the one that missed it.
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I see reading comprehension isn't your strong point. Get your husband to explain it to you.
No. I clearly saw you wanted Bortles.. But you and Johnny are cut from the same drunken mold.. your the one that missed it.
No. I clearly saw you wanted Bortles.. But you and Johnny are cut from the same drunken mold.. your the one that missed it.
My the one?
I have a drink maybe twice a month. I'm just not 800 years old.
This isn't the olden days were players showered after games and took the trolley down to the quarter store and picked up a a handful of taffy for a nickel, then walked home and listened to Roy Rogers on the radio.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Is there a concern for setting a precident in how Pettine and the organization is acting with JFF? There is no doubt he has/had a problem. But there is also no doubt what they were drafting in JFF.
Can the micro management of JFF keep other potential draftees and free agents from wanting to come and play? I think that is a legit question. NFL is not a league of altar boys, yet we are demanding that of one player on the team. How are we going to draft in the future knowing how JFF is turning out for us?
The media created the monster of JFF, and now they want to kill the Frankenstien they created. And listen, I totally get that JFF fucked up, I do. But part of me has to look at the Browns organization and go, "YOU FUCKING DRAFTED THE KID KNOWING WHAT HE WAS". We are a 2-8 football team. We have a first round pick, that has issues. Perhaps letting JFF play, showing him a little forgivness, may actually change is behaviour. But then again, how many chanced do you give him.
There is also the part of me that is dissappointed. I wanted to see JFF play. I wanted to see our offense have more excitement. But now, we will either see McC throw for 500 yards or get sacked 10 times and destroyed. I don't know. This has to be one of the most dissappointing seasons since 99. Was really hoping to have a winning record after a 7-9 season and tanking last year, but alas, here we are again, shitting the bed and with all the wrong publicity.
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Just to inject a little humor, how funny would it be if McCown and Davis got hurt somehow and Manziel had to come in? That would be such a Cleveland Browns event to occur.
Just to inject a little humor, how funny would it be if McCown and Davis got hurt somehow and Manziel had to come in? That would be such a Cleveland Browns event to occur.
I think it would be even funnier if Terrance West got tackled into Pettine on the sideline and they both exploded.
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Only 1 of the 53 have a problem............ Hmmmmmm, I wonder if it's the other 52's, Pettine's or the 1's fault.......... Hmmmmm, tough question, I guess the world will never know.
You mean to tell me every other player on the roster stayed home and studied their playbook this bye week? They didn't go anywhere? You mean every player is completely fine with how this coaching staff handles their players? Oh man, that's something to think about.
You mean to tell me every other player on the roster stayed home and studied their playbook this bye week? They didn't go anywhere? You mean every player is completely fine with how this coaching staff handles their players? Oh man, that's something to think about.
Poor John. The world is just so mean to the lil' fella. Everyone else is the problem. It's just soooo unfair.
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You mean to tell me every other player on the roster stayed home and studied their playbook this bye week? They didn't go anywhere? You mean every player is completely fine with how this coaching staff handles their players? Oh man, that's something to think about.
Poor John. The world is just so mean to the lil' fella. Everyone else is the problem. It's just soooo unfair.
Poor John. The world is just so mean to the lil' fella. Everyone else is the problem. It's just soooo unfair.
I don't give a fuck about John or his plight. I care that this is just setting us even further behind the ball.
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I don't give a fuck about John or his plight. I care that this is just setting us even further behind the ball.
We agree on that, for sure. Problem is, that train started down the track the second the Browns turned in the card that had Johnny Manziel written on it. A bad draft pick (what else is new) and a high one at that (again, what else is new).
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No. I clearly saw you wanted Bortles.. But you and Johnny are cut from the same drunken mold.. your the one that missed it.
My the one?
I have a drink maybe twice a month. I'm just not 800 years old.
This isn't the olden days were players showered after games and took the trolley down to the quarter store and picked up a a handful of taffy for a nickel, then walked home and listened to Roy Rogers on the radio.
My the one?
I have a drink maybe twice a month. I'm just not 800 years old.
This isn't the olden days were players showered after games and took the trolley down to the quarter store and picked up a a handful of taffy for a nickel, then walked home and listened to Roy Rogers on the radio.
No shit Charlie!
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