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Brett Favre is 6'2" and had one of the biggest arms of all-time
Johnny's 5'10" and has a average to below average arm.
Plus Brett Favre started 321 straight games, Johnny gets hurt running to the sidelines.
Maybe Gruden is posturing for Jimmy to back up the Brinks truck
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Lets be clear....Gruden isnt condoning anything and not endorsing Johnnys behavior or actions.....
he is saying he wishes Johnny would get it together.....turn the corner.....go out and do it.....hopes he wakes up....(all quotes from the article)...
If Gruden were Manziel's coach, what would he tell him?
"I don't think we can report that,'' he said with a smile.
I say he'd probably do exactly what Pettine did.....
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Great insight on Manziel by Gruden on Clev.com. Said if you stick with him you will be glad you did. He said he has the talent to be a good N.F.L. q.b. Pointed out reminded him of Farve who had a lot of the same issues when he first came into the league.
Great insight on Manziel by Gruden on Clev.com. Said if you stick with him you will be glad you did. He said he has the talent to be a good N.F.L. q.b. Pointed out reminded him of Farve who had a lot of the same issues when he first came into the league.
Johnny, get off the forum and get back to plannin' your next partae
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I don't think we have the time to see if Gruden is right. Cut him right after the season ends. Or, of course, see what we can get for him in a trade. I'd guess a 4th-rounder.
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Get your facts straight , johnny 5ft 3/4 207 ibs nfl combine stat .Guess you didn't watch Pitts. game when he was almost decapieded came right back didn't miss a play. Should of had 2 more tds Benji drop in the endzone and his 6yrd scramble that Donovan said he got robbed by the refs.Funny how the Johnny haters will come up with b.s.
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Yep They would not allow Johnny to get his first NFL TD against Pisspuke. They cry like a bunch of cocksuckers that of course they are
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ok let's keep the hatorade in check, manziel does not have an "avg to below avg" arm....that's just ridiculous get the fuck out of here with that dumb shit. Lots to critisize the kid on, arm strength? Really? I think he's thrown enough bombs this year that we know his arm strength isn't an issue.
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5'11 3/4"
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No, Pettine should have given Manziel an ear full, ranted and chastised him in private and came out and told the media to shove their story up their ass and then went out and played ball. That would have garnered much more respect from the team and the fans than being a pussy whipped bitch and crying to the media, "But Johnny LIED to me!!!". Faggot. Grow a pair and be a fucking coach instead of a rat bastard.
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Get your facts straight , johnny 5ft 3/4 207 ibs nfl combine stat .Guess you didn't watch Pitts. game when he was almost decapieded came right back didn't miss a play. Should of had 2 more tds Benji drop in the endzone and his 6yrd scramble that Donovan said he got robbed by the refs.Funny how the Johnny haters will come up with b.s.
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ugggh. really?
we've seen only a small % of small QBs make it as franchise QBs in this league and to this point how really successful have they been? i'm calling one hit wonders.
u see rothlistain and ostrichweiler with a strong arm looking over the lines and completing passes without obstruction and we want to keep a fidget?
GTFO.
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ugggh. really?
we've seen only a small % of small QBs make it as franchise QBs in this league and to this point how really successful have they been? i'm calling one hit wonders.
u see rothlistain and ostrichweiler with a strong arm looking over the lines and completing passes without obstruction and we want to keep a fidget?
GTFO.
ugggh. really?
we've seen only a small % of small QBs make it as franchise QBs in this league and to this point how really successful have they been? i'm calling one hit wonders.
u see rothlistain and ostrichweiler with a strong arm looking over the lines and completing passes without obstruction and we want to keep a fidget?
GTFO.
And without a repeat of the Browns usual pursuit of another QB in this upcoming questionable class, what would be your alternative mik?
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ugggh. really?
we've seen only a small % of small QBs make it as franchise QBs in this league and to this point how really successful have they been? i'm calling one hit wonders.
u see rothlistain and ostrichweiler with a strong arm looking over the lines and completing passes without obstruction and we want to keep a fidget?
GTFO.
And without a repeat of the Browns usual pursuit of another QB in this upcoming questionable class, what would be your alternative mik?
And without a repeat of the Browns usual pursuit of another QB in this upcoming questionable class, what would be your alternative mik?
keep johnny?
it's not up to me BUT to say the coaches are against him considering what they've known (and to find out it's actually true)........
i wouldn't be against it. but when do the browns start treating him like a gordon? yes it'd be great if he/they were on the squad and could perform like the pro glimpse that they've seen them perform at. yet is that a risk and a roster spot for another pick to try and compete without that RISK?
just asking.
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And without a repeat of the Browns usual pursuit of another QB in this upcoming questionable class, what would be your alternative mik?
keep johnny?
it's not up to me BUT to say the coaches are against him considering what they've known (and to find out it's actually true)........
i wouldn't be against it. but when do the browns start treating him like a gordon? yes it'd be great if he/they were on the squad and could perform like the pro glimpse that they've seen them perform at. yet is that a risk and a roster spot for another pick to try and compete without that RISK?
just asking.
keep johnny?
it's not up to me BUT to say the coaches are against him considering what they've known (and to find out it's actually true)........
i wouldn't be against it. but when do the browns start treating him like a gordon? yes it'd be great if he/they were on the squad and could perform like the pro glimpse that they've seen them perform at. yet is that a risk and a roster spot for another pick to try and compete without that RISK?
just asking.
Well what we've seen of him this season has been positive as far as on-the-field performance. The rest is personal.Whether or not he is Tom Brady has yet to be seen, but really there are probably only two or three quarterbacks in the league in that category.
Not to mention we have roster spots filled by less productive and higher paid players...
WSS
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I think there is some truth regarding Gruden saying this about EVERYBODY, but at the same time, it is nice to hear a national analyst telling us that Johnny isn't a total lost cause (talent wise).
This benching hurt me a lot more than I would've guessed. I realized that he was pretty much the ONLY player I wanted to see play this week, and now he's been taken away from us. Obviously it's Johnny's fault, but that doesn't make it less frustrating. To make it worse, it appears that Johnny STILL doesn't have a clue what it takes to be a responsible adult in the NFL.
Addiction is a complicated issue, and it's definitely not as simple as "don't go to clubs." I think it's safe to say that Johnny has a severe problem. He just won the job for the rest of the year, he told everyone that he was going to lay low, and he even volunteered at a food bank which shows maturity and vision. But when given a few days off, he literally couldn't help himself. Mary Kay Cabot wrote a month ago that Manziel should have gone directly back into rehab, and at the time, I thought she was nuts. Now, I'm thinking she was correct. Addicts that don't work on their recovery wind up in three places: Jails, Institutions, and Cemeteries. This is now more than hoping he is a successful QB. Now it's about him leading a productive LIFE.
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I think there is some truth regarding Gruden saying this about EVERYBODY, but at the same time, it is nice to hear a national analyst telling us that Johnny isn't a total lost cause (talent wise).
This benching hurt me a lot more than I would've guessed. I realized that he was pretty much the ONLY player I wanted to see play this week, and now he's been taken away from us. Obviously it's Johnny's fault, but that doesn't make it less frustrating. To make it worse, it appears that Johnny STILL doesn't have a clue what it takes to be a responsible adult in the NFL.
Addiction is a complicated issue, and it's definitely not as simple as "don't go to clubs." I think it's safe to say that Johnny has a severe problem. He just won the job for the rest of the year, he told everyone that he was going to lay low, and he even volunteered at a food bank which shows maturity and vision. But when given a few days off, he literally couldn't help himself. Mary Kay Cabot wrote a month ago that Manziel should have gone directly back into rehab, and at the time, I thought she was nuts. Now, I'm thinking she was correct. Addicts that don't work on their recovery wind up in three places: Jails, Institutions, and Cemeteries. This is now more than hoping he is a successful QB. Now it's about him leading a productive LIFE.
... it's definitely not as simple as "don't go to clubs."
Nice write up, but I started to wonder if that one line is true...
Is there such a thing as a social alcoholic? I ask because it's never come out that there's a pattern of drinking alone to excess... not in any reported disturbance... not in any attendance pattern. The one tardy last year was after a party at his place. The GF incident this year featured a JM who had a couple drinks, but was not intoxicated.
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