Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Tour I have most certainly been to Austin.
I have not been to South America but I have heard tales. I have been to Mexico and though I didn't go was offered a ride to the dog and pony show.
I did play in a successful rock and roll band for nearly two decades during the pinnacle in Cleveland and across the US and Canada before going solo.
WSS
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Guys, with all dur respect and no offense to anyone, this kid is an alcoholic. He's not going to get better with a demotion to 3rd string. It's not going to be a wake up call. That call already came and he drank right through it. Screw pro-football, he needs more rehab, more help, etc. It's not, however, the Browns' job to make all this happen. It's all on Johnny and, hopefully, his family. I think professional football is just a fond memory.
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Guys, with all dur respect and no offense to anyone, this kid is an alcoholic. He's not going to get better with a demotion to 3rd string. It's not going to be a wake up call. That call already came and he drank right through it. Screw pro-football, he needs more rehab, more help, etc. It's not, however, the Browns' job to make all this happen. It's all on Johnny and, hopefully, his family. I think professional football is just a fond memory.
Guys, with all dur respect and no offense to anyone, this kid is an alcoholic. He's not going to get better with a demotion to 3rd string. It's not going to be a wake up call. That call already came and he drank right through it. Screw pro-football, he needs more rehab, more help, etc. It's not, however, the Browns' job to make all this happen. It's all on Johnny and, hopefully, his family. I think professional football is just a fond memory.
Chris Carter put it well. His body is allergic to alcohol and cannot process it in the same way a normal human can. One drink is too many!
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Alright you bastard, them's fightin' words! Can see I need to take you for a trip to Bordeaux to taste some of them fine red premier crus or sweet Sauternes. Stayed here once. No tv's, no beer and an open, free wine fridge full of their best years. Doesn't get any better'n that.
PS-so you will feel more at home mik, we can take these along to use in tastings.
HA! don't get me wrong i love me some wine. depends on the circumstance. italian dinner with red sauce....red wine. some light seafood......a white. i'm more the sauv blanc or pinot grigio than the pinot noir or cab but will drink all whenever offered. my fave white is this:
http://www.monkeybay.co.nz/sauvignonblanc.html
i'm a cocktails type of guy. beer is cool but it fills me up too quick and feel bloated. a nice gin and tonic or a vodka martini are more my style.....with a cohiba puff outside between commercial breaks.
HA! don't get me wrong i love me some wine. depends on the circumstance. italian dinner with red sauce....red wine. some light seafood......a white. i'm more the sauv blanc or pinot grigio than the pinot noir or cab but will drink all whenever offered. my fave white is this:
http://www.monkeybay.co.nz/sauvignonblanc.html
i'm a cocktails type of guy. beer is cool but it fills me up too quick and feel bloated. a nice gin and tonic or a vodka martini are more my style.....with a cohiba puff outside between commercial breaks.
Mik, you're my king of guy. I would hope you can make it to the annual Tailgate next year. That goes for you too Ag.
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HA! don't get me wrong i love me some wine. depends on the circumstance. italian dinner with red sauce....red wine. some light seafood......a white. i'm more the sauv blanc or pinot grigio than the pinot noir or cab but will drink all whenever offered. my fave white is this:
http://www.monkeybay.co.nz/sauvignonblanc.html
i'm a cocktails type of guy. beer is cool but it fills me up too quick and feel bloated. a nice gin and tonic or a vodka martini are more my style.....with a cohiba puff outside between commercial breaks.
Mik, you're my king of guy. I would hope you can make it to the annual Tailgate next year. That goes for you too Ag.
Mik, you're my king of guy. I would hope you can make it to the annual Tailgate next year. That goes for you too Ag.
Money might be going to an 11 day Caribbean cruise with the old anchor for our 47th in Feb 2017. But who knows. Might find one of those "want-a-getaway" fares and fly up last minute.
I'll drag Johnny out of the Austin bars and bring him with me if Gruden gives me permission.
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Manziel was suspended more for the lies than anything else. Pettine had to take a strong stance, and he did. In my opinion, Pettine passed this little test, and it couldn't have been easy. It became even more difficult when McCown got hurt, and probably most people in attendance and on television were hoping to see Manziel come in and save the day. But Pettine stuck to his guns, and I think that gives him legitimacy.
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I wouldn't play that brat do to marketability, if he sucks...cost us money and the same goes for getting injured. If he plays well...no more money cause the tire's flat and a couple dents in the bumper. I hate all these folks that believe a player playing well is all that our town deserve.
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Manziel was suspended more for the lies than anything else. Pettine had to take a strong stance, and he did. In my opinion, Pettine passed this little test, and it couldn't have been easy. It became even more difficult when McCown got hurt, and probably most people in attendance and on television were hoping to see Manziel come in and save the day. But Pettine stuck to his guns, and I think that gives him legitimacy.
Manziel was suspended more for the lies than anything else. Pettine had to take a strong stance, and he did. In my opinion, Pettine passed this little test, and it couldn't have been easy. It became even more difficult when McCown got hurt, and probably most people in attendance and on television were hoping to see Manziel come in and save the day. But Pettine stuck to his guns, and I think that gives him legitimacy.
I was there last night & I have been a Manziel supporter, but he lied & if Pettine had put him in that game, I'd have screamed for him to be fired on the spot. Now he needs to acknowledge his own deficiencies (aka resistance to change) & make the changes to his schemes & staff that MUST be made if he wants to win.
Mike
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Manziel was suspended more for the lies than anything else. Pettine had to take a strong stance, and he did. In my opinion, Pettine passed this little test, and it couldn't have been easy. It became even more difficult when McCown got hurt, and probably most people in attendance and on television were hoping to see Manziel come in and save the day. But Pettine stuck to his guns, and I think that gives him legitimacy.
I was there last night & I have been a Manziel supporter, but he lied & if Pettine had put him in that game, I'd have screamed for him to be fired on the spot. Now he needs to acknowledge his own deficiencies (aka resistance to change) & make the changes to his schemes & staff that MUST be made if he wants to win.
Mike
I was there last night & I have been a Manziel supporter, but he lied & if Pettine had put him in that game, I'd have screamed for him to be fired on the spot. Now he needs to acknowledge his own deficiencies (aka resistance to change) & make the changes to his schemes & staff that MUST be made if he wants to win.
Mike
Question for you Mike (and anyone else). How long do you keep him suspended on the bench? One more, two or all five? Or do you just trade him away when the season ends and let him stew in the twilight zone until that time?
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I believe it is in the Browns best interest to start Manziel the rest of the season. Give him as much playing time as possible to try and get a better evaluation of his talent. If the Browns intend to keep Manziel they need to play him. I'm not saying this for Manziel's sake but for what is best for the Browns.
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I was there last night & I have been a Manziel supporter, but he lied & if Pettine had put him in that game, I'd have screamed for him to be fired on the spot. Now he needs to acknowledge his own deficiencies (aka resistance to change) & make the changes to his schemes & staff that MUST be made if he wants to win.
Mike
Question for you Mike (and anyone else). How long do you keep him suspended on the bench? One more, two or all five? Or do you just trade him away when the season ends and let him stew in the twilight zone until that time?
Question for you Mike (and anyone else). How long do you keep him suspended on the bench? One more, two or all five? Or do you just trade him away when the season ends and let him stew in the twilight zone until that time?
I can't answer that. I am of the feeling that he needs to play this year, if for no other reason than to create trade value. I just don't know when as I would merely be guessing at many of the issues with him. We'll never know the whole story.
BTW, one of my closest friends is now sober & successful for 11 years after his 2nd stint in rehab, so I haven't yet given up on Johnny & would love to see him succeed here. That being said, I don't think that success has a chance of happening under Pettine.
Mike
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I agree Mike. I'd fire Pettine and give Gruden a shot at running the wonderboy after his next rehab and when he has a real sponsor and not the drunks he keeps for company. I think Gruden is the only guy out there that just might pull that off. It's a big if but even if it does not work, we still have a better coach than what I see now.
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I agree Mike. I'd fire Pettine and give Gruden a shot at running the wonderboy after his next rehab and when he has a real sponsor and not the drunks he keeps for company. I think Gruden is the only guy out there that just might pull that off. It's a big if but even if it does not work, we still have a better coach than what I see now.
I agree Mike. I'd fire Pettine and give Gruden a shot at running the wonderboy after his next rehab and when he has a real sponsor and not the drunks he keeps for company. I think Gruden is the only guy out there that just might pull that off. It's a big if but even if it does not work, we still have a better coach than what see now.
Id say that IF the Browns(IE: Farmer/Haslam) are still in a Johnny frame of mind, then a Gruden(or any Johnny Fan) would be the way to go with the next Coach.....
But....after running this through my mind....Id HATE to pick my coach based upon "counting on Johnny"......
Conundrum......
I say Haslem needs to act now.....step up and back your coach or fire him now......lets not drag this out.....
If we're gonna make a change, then lets get a head start, instead of being last on the list(again)....
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