Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Alright you bastard, them's fightin' words! Can see I need to take you for a trip to Bordeaux to taste some of them fine red premier crus or sweet Sauternes. Stayed here once. No tv's, no beer and an open, free wine fridge full of their best years. Doesn't get any better'n that.
PS-so you will feel more at home mik, we can take these along to use in tastings.
HA! don't get me wrong i love me some wine. depends on the circumstance. italian dinner with red sauce....red wine. some light seafood......a white. i'm more the sauv blanc or pinot grigio than the pinot noir or cab but will drink all whenever offered. my fave white is this:
http://www.monkeybay.co.nz/sauvignonblanc.html
i'm a cocktails type of guy. beer is cool but it fills me up too quick and feel bloated. a nice gin and tonic or a vodka martini are more my style.....with a cohiba puff outside between commercial breaks.
HA! don't get me wrong i love me some wine. depends on the circumstance. italian dinner with red sauce....red wine. some light seafood......a white. i'm more the sauv blanc or pinot grigio than the pinot noir or cab but will drink all whenever offered. my fave white is this:
http://www.monkeybay.co.nz/sauvignonblanc.html
i'm a cocktails type of guy. beer is cool but it fills me up too quick and feel bloated. a nice gin and tonic or a vodka martini are more my style.....with a cohiba puff outside between commercial breaks.
Mik, you're my king of guy. I would hope you can make it to the annual Tailgate next year. That goes for you too Ag.
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HA! don't get me wrong i love me some wine. depends on the circumstance. italian dinner with red sauce....red wine. some light seafood......a white. i'm more the sauv blanc or pinot grigio than the pinot noir or cab but will drink all whenever offered. my fave white is this:
http://www.monkeybay.co.nz/sauvignonblanc.html
i'm a cocktails type of guy. beer is cool but it fills me up too quick and feel bloated. a nice gin and tonic or a vodka martini are more my style.....with a cohiba puff outside between commercial breaks.
Mik, you're my king of guy. I would hope you can make it to the annual Tailgate next year. That goes for you too Ag.
Mik, you're my king of guy. I would hope you can make it to the annual Tailgate next year. That goes for you too Ag.
Money might be going to an 11 day Caribbean cruise with the old anchor for our 47th in Feb 2017. But who knows. Might find one of those "want-a-getaway" fares and fly up last minute.
I'll drag Johnny out of the Austin bars and bring him with me if Gruden gives me permission.
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Manziel was suspended more for the lies than anything else. Pettine had to take a strong stance, and he did. In my opinion, Pettine passed this little test, and it couldn't have been easy. It became even more difficult when McCown got hurt, and probably most people in attendance and on television were hoping to see Manziel come in and save the day. But Pettine stuck to his guns, and I think that gives him legitimacy.
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I wouldn't play that brat do to marketability, if he sucks...cost us money and the same goes for getting injured. If he plays well...no more money cause the tire's flat and a couple dents in the bumper. I hate all these folks that believe a player playing well is all that our town deserve.
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Manziel was suspended more for the lies than anything else. Pettine had to take a strong stance, and he did. In my opinion, Pettine passed this little test, and it couldn't have been easy. It became even more difficult when McCown got hurt, and probably most people in attendance and on television were hoping to see Manziel come in and save the day. But Pettine stuck to his guns, and I think that gives him legitimacy.
Manziel was suspended more for the lies than anything else. Pettine had to take a strong stance, and he did. In my opinion, Pettine passed this little test, and it couldn't have been easy. It became even more difficult when McCown got hurt, and probably most people in attendance and on television were hoping to see Manziel come in and save the day. But Pettine stuck to his guns, and I think that gives him legitimacy.
I was there last night & I have been a Manziel supporter, but he lied & if Pettine had put him in that game, I'd have screamed for him to be fired on the spot. Now he needs to acknowledge his own deficiencies (aka resistance to change) & make the changes to his schemes & staff that MUST be made if he wants to win.
Mike
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Manziel was suspended more for the lies than anything else. Pettine had to take a strong stance, and he did. In my opinion, Pettine passed this little test, and it couldn't have been easy. It became even more difficult when McCown got hurt, and probably most people in attendance and on television were hoping to see Manziel come in and save the day. But Pettine stuck to his guns, and I think that gives him legitimacy.
I was there last night & I have been a Manziel supporter, but he lied & if Pettine had put him in that game, I'd have screamed for him to be fired on the spot. Now he needs to acknowledge his own deficiencies (aka resistance to change) & make the changes to his schemes & staff that MUST be made if he wants to win.
Mike
I was there last night & I have been a Manziel supporter, but he lied & if Pettine had put him in that game, I'd have screamed for him to be fired on the spot. Now he needs to acknowledge his own deficiencies (aka resistance to change) & make the changes to his schemes & staff that MUST be made if he wants to win.
Mike
Question for you Mike (and anyone else). How long do you keep him suspended on the bench? One more, two or all five? Or do you just trade him away when the season ends and let him stew in the twilight zone until that time?
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I believe it is in the Browns best interest to start Manziel the rest of the season. Give him as much playing time as possible to try and get a better evaluation of his talent. If the Browns intend to keep Manziel they need to play him. I'm not saying this for Manziel's sake but for what is best for the Browns.
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I was there last night & I have been a Manziel supporter, but he lied & if Pettine had put him in that game, I'd have screamed for him to be fired on the spot. Now he needs to acknowledge his own deficiencies (aka resistance to change) & make the changes to his schemes & staff that MUST be made if he wants to win.
Mike
Question for you Mike (and anyone else). How long do you keep him suspended on the bench? One more, two or all five? Or do you just trade him away when the season ends and let him stew in the twilight zone until that time?
Question for you Mike (and anyone else). How long do you keep him suspended on the bench? One more, two or all five? Or do you just trade him away when the season ends and let him stew in the twilight zone until that time?
I can't answer that. I am of the feeling that he needs to play this year, if for no other reason than to create trade value. I just don't know when as I would merely be guessing at many of the issues with him. We'll never know the whole story.
BTW, one of my closest friends is now sober & successful for 11 years after his 2nd stint in rehab, so I haven't yet given up on Johnny & would love to see him succeed here. That being said, I don't think that success has a chance of happening under Pettine.
Mike
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I agree Mike. I'd fire Pettine and give Gruden a shot at running the wonderboy after his next rehab and when he has a real sponsor and not the drunks he keeps for company. I think Gruden is the only guy out there that just might pull that off. It's a big if but even if it does not work, we still have a better coach than what I see now.
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I agree Mike. I'd fire Pettine and give Gruden a shot at running the wonderboy after his next rehab and when he has a real sponsor and not the drunks he keeps for company. I think Gruden is the only guy out there that just might pull that off. It's a big if but even if it does not work, we still have a better coach than what I see now.
I agree Mike. I'd fire Pettine and give Gruden a shot at running the wonderboy after his next rehab and when he has a real sponsor and not the drunks he keeps for company. I think Gruden is the only guy out there that just might pull that off. It's a big if but even if it does not work, we still have a better coach than what see now.
Id say that IF the Browns(IE: Farmer/Haslam) are still in a Johnny frame of mind, then a Gruden(or any Johnny Fan) would be the way to go with the next Coach.....
But....after running this through my mind....Id HATE to pick my coach based upon "counting on Johnny"......
Conundrum......
I say Haslem needs to act now.....step up and back your coach or fire him now......lets not drag this out.....
If we're gonna make a change, then lets get a head start, instead of being last on the list(again)....
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I think we are focusing too much on the supposed alcoholism. Frankly I don't think the kid is an alcoholic. I think he drinks a lot at times but it's mostly he's kind of an asshole. His talent has been better than anyone elses around him for almost all of his life.
Therefore whether you call it cockiness or self-assured he has faith in his abilities.
As we speak I am sitting in the home of a friend waiting for the dogs outside to pee before I let them back in. My friend was carted off to the psych ward last night with a case of what appears to be the DT's. That's an alcoholic. Going out once a week and drinking champagne while people adore you is just college kid drunk. I truly believe the rehab was something he may be thought would be helpful or maybe thought his superiors wanted to see.
Like anger management or rehab after being busted with pot. Or a after a DUI . For shw.
WSS
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Well those same advisors should tell him to stay away from cameras. ESPECIALLY when he's drinking
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I think we are focusing too much on the supposed alcoholism. Frankly I don't think the kid is an alcoholic. I think he drinks a lot at times but it's mostly he's kind of an asshole. His talent has been better than anyone elses around him for almost all of his life.
Therefore whether you call it cockiness or self-assured he has faith in his abilities.
As we speak I am sitting in the home of a friend waiting for the dogs outside to pee before I let them back in. My friend was carted off to the psych ward last night with a case of what appears to be the DT's. That's an alcoholic. Going out once a week and drinking champagne while people adore you is just college kid drunk. I truly believe the rehab was something he may be thought would be helpful or maybe thought his superiors wanted to see.
Like anger management or rehab after being busted with pot. Or a after a DUI . For shw.
WSS
I think we are focusing too much on the supposed alcoholism. Frankly I don't think the kid is an alcoholic. I think he drinks a lot at times but it's mostly he's kind of an asshole. His talent has been better than anyone elses around him for almost all of his life.
Therefore whether you call it cockiness or self-assured he has faith in his abilities.
As we speak I am sitting in the home of a friend waiting for the dogs outside to pee before I let them back in. My friend was carted off to the psych ward last night with a case of what appears to be the DT's. That's an alcoholic. Going out once a week and drinking champagne while people adore you is just college kid drunk. I truly believe the rehab was something he may be thought would be helpful or maybe thought his superiors wanted to see.
Like anger management or rehab after being busted with pot. Or a after a DUI . For shw.
WSS
Steve,
I agree that we don't really know why he was in rehab & that we will probably never know.
I guess we'll just have to wait & see what happens.
Mike
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I was there last night & I have been a Manziel supporter, but he lied & if Pettine had put him in that game, I'd have screamed for him to be fired on the spot. Now he needs to acknowledge his own deficiencies (aka resistance to change) & make the changes to his schemes & staff that MUST be made if he wants to win.
Mike
Question for you Mike (and anyone else). How long do you keep him suspended on the bench? One more, two or all five? Or do you just trade him away when the season ends and let him stew in the twilight zone until that time?
Question for you Mike (and anyone else). How long do you keep him suspended on the bench? One more, two or all five? Or do you just trade him away when the season ends and let him stew in the twilight zone until that time?
Still in town Ag. They're running a Twitter poll on WKNR and it's 60% start Johnny. Is one game enough? Supposedly Pettine looked like a beaten man at his presser- haven't watched it yet. Maybe he should "man up" and do what's best for the franchise, instead of self interest. I doubt he can survive, based on his current record. Driving around with the radio on, they asked Tony Grossi if this can be labelled the worst season since 1999. His comment, "season isn't over yet, but it's in the running, and it's probably going to get worse."
Conundrum......
I say Haslam needs to act now.....step up and back your coach or fire him now......lets not drag this out.....
If we're gonna make a change, then lets get a head start, instead of being last on the list(again)....
^+1 A Bungle blowout should just about do it, Mud. How can you back 2-9 and tell the fan base- we're heading in the right direction?
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I agree Mike. I'd fire Pettine and give Gruden a shot at running the wonderboy after his next rehab and when he has a real sponsor and not the drunks he keeps for company. I think Gruden is the only guy out there that just might pull that off. It's a big if but even if it does not work, we still have a better coach than what I see now.
I agree Mike. I'd fire Pettine and give Gruden a shot at running the wonderboy after his next rehab and when he has a real sponsor and not the drunks he keeps for company. I think Gruden is the only guy out there that just might pull that off. It's a big if but even if it does not work, we still have a better coach than what see now.
So you applaud Pet for making a stand and then want to replace him with a fan/enabler? Square that fucking circle.
Maybe he should "man up" and do what's best for the franchise, instead of self interest.
How the fuck can an intelligent person think the two are not the same?
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I was there last night & I have been a Manziel supporter, but he lied & if Pettine had put him in that game, I'd have screamed for him to be fired on the spot. Now he needs to acknowledge his own deficiencies (aka resistance to change) & make the changes to his schemes & staff that MUST be made if he wants to win.
Mike
Question for you Mike (and anyone else). How long do you keep him suspended on the bench? One more, two or all five? Or do you just trade him away when the season ends and let him stew in the twilight zone until that time?
Question for you Mike (and anyone else). How long do you keep him suspended on the bench? One more, two or all five? Or do you just trade him away when the season ends and let him stew in the twilight zone until that time?
I start JM but put together a package featuring Davis...
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I think we are focusing too much on the supposed alcoholism. Frankly I don't think the kid is an alcoholic. I think he drinks a lot at times but it's mostly he's kind of an asshole. His talent has been better than anyone elses around him for almost all of his life.
Therefore whether you call it cockiness or self-assured he has faith in his abilities.
As we speak I am sitting in the home of a friend waiting for the dogs outside to pee before I let them back in. My friend was carted off to the psych ward last night with a case of what appears to be the DT's. That's an alcoholic. Going out once a week and drinking champagne while people adore you is just college kid drunk. I truly believe the rehab was something he may be thought would be helpful or maybe thought his superiors wanted to see.
Like anger management or rehab after being busted with pot. Or a after a DUI . For shw.
WSS
I think we are focusing too much on the supposed alcoholism. Frankly I don't think the kid is an alcoholic. I think he drinks a lot at times but it's mostly he's kind of an asshole. His talent has been better than anyone elses around him for almost all of his life.
Therefore whether you call it cockiness or self-assured he has faith in his abilities.
As we speak I am sitting in the home of a friend waiting for the dogs outside to pee before I let them back in. My friend was carted off to the psych ward last night with a case of what appears to be the DT's. That's an alcoholic. Going out once a week and drinking champagne while people adore you is just college kid drunk. I truly believe the rehab was something he may be thought would be helpful or maybe thought his superiors wanted to see.
Like anger management or rehab after being busted with pot. Or a after a DUI . For shw.
WSS
When you let the drinking continue to interfere with your life and career alcoholism is a strong possibility. The recent incident in Avon Lake , the lying to cover his partying etc all all pretty damn indicative of an issue.
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I think we are focusing too much on the supposed alcoholism. Frankly I don't think the kid is an alcoholic. I think he drinks a lot at times but it's mostly he's kind of an asshole. His talent has been better than anyone elses around him for almost all of his life.
Therefore whether you call it cockiness or self-assured he has faith in his abilities.
As we speak I am sitting in the home of a friend waiting for the dogs outside to pee before I let them back in. My friend was carted off to the psych ward last night with a case of what appears to be the DT's. That's an alcoholic. Going out once a week and drinking champagne while people adore you is just college kid drunk. I truly believe the rehab was something he may be thought would be helpful or maybe thought his superiors wanted to see.
Like anger management or rehab after being busted with pot. Or a after a DUI . For shw.
WSS
You mean all the arm chair addiction counselors on here haven't convinced you other wise?I think we are focusing too much on the supposed alcoholism. Frankly I don't think the kid is an alcoholic. I think he drinks a lot at times but it's mostly he's kind of an asshole. His talent has been better than anyone elses around him for almost all of his life.
Therefore whether you call it cockiness or self-assured he has faith in his abilities.
As we speak I am sitting in the home of a friend waiting for the dogs outside to pee before I let them back in. My friend was carted off to the psych ward last night with a case of what appears to be the DT's. That's an alcoholic. Going out once a week and drinking champagne while people adore you is just college kid drunk. I truly believe the rehab was something he may be thought would be helpful or maybe thought his superiors wanted to see.
Like anger management or rehab after being busted with pot. Or a after a DUI . For shw.
WSS
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I think we are focusing too much on the supposed alcoholism. Frankly I don't think the kid is an alcoholic. I think he drinks a lot at times but it's mostly he's kind of an asshole. His talent has been better than anyone elses around him for almost all of his life.
Therefore whether you call it cockiness or self-assured he has faith in his abilities.
As we speak I am sitting in the home of a friend waiting for the dogs outside to pee before I let them back in. My friend was carted off to the psych ward last night with a case of what appears to be the DT's. That's an alcoholic. Going out once a week and drinking champagne while people adore you is just college kid drunk. I truly believe the rehab was something he may be thought would be helpful or maybe thought his superiors wanted to see.
Like anger management or rehab after being busted with pot. Or a after a DUI . For shw.
WSS
When you let the drinking continue to interfere with your life and career alcoholism is a strong possibility. The recent incident in Avon Lake , the lying to cover his partying etc all all pretty damn indicative of an issue.
Yes I understand that no matter how much you drank or how often if it fucks up your career or your life there's a problem. My point is that most of these incidents should not fuck up anybody's life. The bit with the girlfriend in Avon Lake I think was a non issue. Same as the incidents or people are harassing him at a golf match or his apartment . I think two days off during the bye week is a non issue. Its not like it was before a game or he showed up hungover for practice or hadn't been progressing extremely well even according to Father, I mean coach Pettine.When you let the drinking continue to interfere with your life and career alcoholism is a strong possibility. The recent incident in Avon Lake , the lying to cover his partying etc all all pretty damn indicative of an issue.
I tend to worry more about the other possible signs of alcoholism on the list. Drinking by yourself, hiding your drinking, hiding bottles around the house, not showing up for work, blackouts etc. Just going out to a club and getting shithammered if you are silver the rest of the week doesn't bother me. I think all the Browns are concerned with is the fact that TMZ makes a big fucking deal out of it. Maybe they don't realize took their Puritan attitude fans the flames, you think?
WSS
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