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  • @the-gipper said:

    I understand about the trade deadline......but I don't think that means that there is an absolute prohibition against making a trade. There may be other necessary hoops to jump through....but to just say "trades are verboten" I don't think is accurate.

    I mean...they can't be made.

    We have no way of knowing what they talk about, but a trade can't be made until draft day.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    I mean...they can't be made.

    We have no way of knowing what they talk about, but a trade can't be made until draft day.

    I don't think so.....like I said above.....they can be made if the player goes through waivers.

  • DeputyDawgD DeputyDawg wrote on last edited by
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    Very interesting and Johnny Football is also a native of Texas.

  • Very interesting and Johnny Football is also a native of Texas.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @deputydawg said:

    Very interesting and Johnny Football is also a native of Texas.

    Yes, Kerrville. Near San Antonio. My brother used to live there. (before JMZ was born)

  • @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    I mean...they can't be made.

    We have no way of knowing what they talk about, but a trade can't be made until draft day.

    I don't think so.....like I said above.....they can be made if the player goes through waivers.

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on last edited by Tim Couch Pulls Out
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    @the-gipper said:

    I don't think so.....like I said above.....they can be made if the player goes through waivers.

    What you are describing is just the waiver process. It is a "trade" insofar as the player does not reach free agency, but it's not a "trade" as the team giving up a player doesn't receive anything in return.

    In the NFL, after the trade deadline is passed - any single player that is cut, regardless of how long they have been in the league, must clear waivers in order to be picked up by another team. This is a process to ensure fair competitive balance in the league.

    At no point after week 8 can I give you a player and receive anything in return from you. All I can do is cut the player and send him to waivers.

    So...no. They can't trade Manziel to Dallas right now. Not until draft day.

  • @the-gipper said:

    I don't think so.....like I said above.....they can be made if the player goes through waivers.

    What you are describing is just the waiver process. It is a "trade" insofar as the player does not reach free agency, but it's not a "trade" as the team giving up a player doesn't receive anything in return.

    In the NFL, after the trade deadline is passed - any single player that is cut, regardless of how long they have been in the league, must clear waivers in order to be picked up by another team. This is a process to ensure fair competitive balance in the league.

    At no point after week 8 can I give you a player and receive anything in return from you. All I can do is cut the player and send him to waivers.

    So...no. They can't trade Manziel to Dallas right now. Not until draft day.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    What you are describing is just the waiver process. It is a "trade" insofar as the player does not reach free agency, but it's not a "trade" as the team giving up a player doesn't receive anything in return.

    In the NFL, after the trade deadline is passed - any single player that is cut, regardless of how long they have been in the league, must clear waivers in order to be picked up by another team. This is a process to ensure fair competitive balance in the league.

    At no point after week 8 can I give you a player and receive anything in return from you. All I can do is cut the player and send him to waivers.

    So...no. They can't trade Manziel to Dallas right now. Not until draft day.

    Again, I don't believe that is true. The source I looked at said otherwise.

    I think you can make a trade, but you must subject the players to the waiver wire. If no one makes a claim on any of the players, it can happen. If someone makes a claim then they can block the trade.

  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    Not sure if this helps. It may only apply to players that are cut:

    http://operations.nfl.com/updates/the-players/nfl-waiver-system-overview/

  • @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    What you are describing is just the waiver process. It is a "trade" insofar as the player does not reach free agency, but it's not a "trade" as the team giving up a player doesn't receive anything in return.

    In the NFL, after the trade deadline is passed - any single player that is cut, regardless of how long they have been in the league, must clear waivers in order to be picked up by another team. This is a process to ensure fair competitive balance in the league.

    At no point after week 8 can I give you a player and receive anything in return from you. All I can do is cut the player and send him to waivers.

    So...no. They can't trade Manziel to Dallas right now. Not until draft day.

    Again, I don't believe that is true. The source I looked at said otherwise.

    I think you can make a trade, but you must subject the players to the waiver wire. If no one makes a claim on any of the players, it can happen. If someone makes a claim then they can block the trade.

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    Again, I don't believe that is true. The source I looked at said otherwise.

    I think you can make a trade, but you must subject the players to the waiver wire. If no one makes a claim on any of the players, it can happen. If someone makes a claim then they can block the trade.

    It is true. That's how the NFL works - it's how it's worked for years.

    The "source" you quoted was Wikipedia. Go check it again and tell me what it reads.

  • W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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    On a similar note he can't really talk to Nick Saban or Jon Gruden until after the Super Bowl, or can he?

    WSS

  • @the-gipper said:

    Again, I don't believe that is true. The source I looked at said otherwise.

    I think you can make a trade, but you must subject the players to the waiver wire. If no one makes a claim on any of the players, it can happen. If someone makes a claim then they can block the trade.

    It is true. That's how the NFL works - it's how it's worked for years.

    The "source" you quoted was Wikipedia. Go check it again and tell me what it reads.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    It is true. That's how the NFL works - it's how it's worked for years.

    The "source" you quoted was Wikipedia. Go check it again and tell me what it reads.

    Its says that post trade deadline trades are allowed, but only via waivers.

    I don't know about you....but allowed means allowed.

  • On a similar note he can't really talk to Nick Saban or Jon Gruden until after the Super Bowl, or can he?

    WSS

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
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    @westside-steve said:

    On a similar note he can't really talk to Nick Saban or Jon Gruden until after the Super Bowl, or can he?

    WSS

    The owner can absolutely talk to those guys as far as I know They are not under contract with another NFL team, which is where the prohibition lies.

    I do not believe there is a prohibition from talking to a guy about a future coaching job if he is under contract with a college or a network.

    But, obviously the owner must tread lightly and perhaps engage in a little subterfuge....in order to not let rumors fly.

    But....I guess that is too late in this case.

  • @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    It is true. That's how the NFL works - it's how it's worked for years.

    The "source" you quoted was Wikipedia. Go check it again and tell me what it reads.

    Its says that post trade deadline trades are allowed, but only via waivers.

    I don't know about you....but allowed means allowed.

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    Its says that post trade deadline trades are allowed, but only via waivers.

    I don't know about you....but allowed means allowed.

    Usually, there is fairly little activity on this day and almost no star players are ever dealt to other clubs on the sixth week of the season. The early deadline, along with players having to learn a whole new system on the fly, along with the salary cap often makes it difficult to make blockbuster trades on this day, unlike most other sports. Post deadline trades are not allowed.

    It's funny, because that's what I see.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    All NFL trades have to be approved by the league office. A "waiver trade" in essence has to be approved by 30 individual teams.

    Since the waiver route is only players, there is no ability to use pick(s) to balance the trade.

    Finally add that once placed on waivers the player is not subject to recall and the end result is that no player of any value is going that route.

    Aside: I seem to remember players being "recalled" from waivers quite a bit in the 60's. May have been around the old process of moving players from the roster to the "taxi squad".

  • W wargograw wrote on last edited by
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    Gip, if you have to wait until the guy clears waivers in order to trade him (which is not the case), then why wouldn't the Cowboys just grab him in waivers? Then they wouldn't owe us anything. This is simple. Trades aren't allowed after the deadline. Unless "via waivers" means you have to get a waiver from the league in order to do it, lol.

  • gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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    Gip, you can claim trades are allowed after the deadline if you can convince yourself that waiving someone is a real trade. We get nothing in return for waiving anyone, surely you know that by now?

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    You can see a scenario where two teams would each agree to each put a certain player on waivers.

    It's just hard to see a scenario where such a "deal" could make its way to the intended exchange.

  • You can see a scenario where two teams would each agree to each put a certain player on waivers.

    It's just hard to see a scenario where such a "deal" could make its way to the intended exchange.

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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    @tour2ma said:

    You can see a scenario where two teams would each agree to each put a certain player on waivers.

    It's just hard to see a scenario where such a "deal" could make its way to the intended exchange.

    Only way it'll happen is if it's between #1 and #2 on the waiver wire.

  • W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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    Yeah that waiver deal sounds a little risky. Kind of like buying your neighbors TV by him leaving it in the front yard overnight and you putting the cash on the sidewalk...

    WSS

  • Yeah that waiver deal sounds a little risky. Kind of like buying your neighbors TV by him leaving it in the front yard overnight and you putting the cash on the sidewalk...

    WSS

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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    @westside-steve said:

    Yeah that waiver deal sounds a little risky. Kind of like buying your neighbors TV by him leaving it in the front yard overnight and you putting the cash on the sidewalk...

    WSS

    Steve, you'd obviously put it in a brown paper bag in a nearby trash can.

  • @westside-steve said:

    Yeah that waiver deal sounds a little risky. Kind of like buying your neighbors TV by him leaving it in the front yard overnight and you putting the cash on the sidewalk...

    WSS

    Steve, you'd obviously put it in a brown paper bag in a nearby trash can.

    W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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    @gftchris said:

    Steve, you'd obviously put it in a brown paper bag in a nearby trash can.

    You Brits are so naive. That's where the neighborhood crack dealer puts his drops.

    How embarrassing would it be to mix those two up? 🙂

    WSS

  • @the-gipper said:

    Its says that post trade deadline trades are allowed, but only via waivers.

    I don't know about you....but allowed means allowed.

    Usually, there is fairly little activity on this day and almost no star players are ever dealt to other clubs on the sixth week of the season. The early deadline, along with players having to learn a whole new system on the fly, along with the salary cap often makes it difficult to make blockbuster trades on this day, unlike most other sports. Post deadline trades are not allowed.

    It's funny, because that's what I see.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Usually, there is fairly little activity on this day and almost no star players are ever dealt to other clubs on the sixth week of the season. The early deadline, along with players having to learn a whole new system on the fly, along with the salary cap often makes it difficult to make blockbuster trades on this day, unlike most other sports. Post deadline trades are not allowed.

    It's funny, because that's what I see.

    Not sure where you are seeing the "Not" in that statement. Are you Wayne's World or something?