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  • gftChris gftChrisG
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    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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    Also, it's possible that this is actually workplace violence...I'm sure that'll go down well!

    Anyway, when you apply the definition of terrorism, does this fit? As in, was the intention of the people to terrorise other public health workers? Or just to go after his colleagues? Was what happened because of an ideology, or because of the specific people involved?

    That's why I'm reserving judgement until more information comes out.

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    • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares

      @gftchris said:

      I could be wrong here, but isn't everything in America only a few blocks away? I mean, they're probably only a few blocks away from a church, mosque, temple, subway, mcdonals, school, etc etc

      But the things you listed aren't buzzwords for MSNBC at the moment. They had their fingers crossed that it was white guys who did this.

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      gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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      @logicisforsquares said:

      But the things you listed aren't buzzwords for MSNBC at the moment. They had their fingers crossed that it was white guys who did this.

      No doubt. MSNBC seems to be almost as bad as fox news, just on the other side.

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        gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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        The narrative it does fit is one of "homegrown terrorists", if that's what they are, so I'm guessing they'll be rolling on that pretty heavily.

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          LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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          The husband grew up in the states in a "secular home" but got devoutly religious in the past few years. This info comes from the guy's father.

          It is worrisome that even a guy who grew up here could go all nutty and Islamic along with his old lady.

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            gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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            We've had plenty of home grown nutties here. Typically, in my unsubstantiated experience, it's the ones that convert to their religion of choice (freely, not by marriage) that are even nuttier.

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              MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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              The difference in the reactions by some people on this board between the last two shootings is interesting.

              Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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              • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                The difference in the reactions by some people on this board between the last two shootings is interesting.

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                gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                @mld-woody said:

                The difference in the reactions by some people on this board between the last two shootings is interesting.

                The two shootings are quite different, to be fair.

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                • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                  The difference in the reactions by some people on this board between the last two shootings is interesting.

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                  LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                  @mld-woody said:

                  The difference in the reactions by some people on this board between the last two shootings is interesting.

                  One mental guy who was a drifter vs. A couple who worked in tandem after appearing to be functioning members of society.

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                    @mld-woody said:

                    The difference in the reactions by some people on this board between the last two shootings is interesting.

                    One mental guy who was a drifter vs. A couple who worked in tandem after appearing to be functioning members of society.

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                    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                    @logicisforsquares said:

                    One mental guy who was a drifter vs. A couple who worked in tandem after appearing to be functioning members of society.

                    Or, depending on your spin, a mentally disturbed homegrown terrorist bent on furthering an ideology vs a couple who worked in tandem after appearing to be functioning members of society.

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                      @mld-woody said:

                      The difference in the reactions by some people on this board between the last two shootings is interesting.

                      The two shootings are quite different, to be fair.

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                      MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                      @gftchris said:

                      The two shootings are quite different, to be fair.

                      That's true. But some are more ready to jump to conclusions or make assumptions in one case vs the other

                      This is where I'm obligated to say both are bad before I get called a "Muslim terrorist lover" or some shit..

                      Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                        gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                        In other news, we just voted to bomb Syria. Big decision, but David Cameron was telling his party's MPs to do as they're told, not walk around with "terrorist sympathisers" - people who don't immediately jump on the "BOMB THE SHIT OUT OF EVERYTHING" band wagon are apparently "terrorist sympathisers." He got crucified for it, but he doesn't care because he's already said he won't run for re-election so his popularity means shit all.

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                        • gftChrisG gftChris

                          Also, it's possible that this is actually workplace violence...I'm sure that'll go down well!

                          Anyway, when you apply the definition of terrorism, does this fit? As in, was the intention of the people to terrorise other public health workers? Or just to go after his colleagues? Was what happened because of an ideology, or because of the specific people involved?

                          That's why I'm reserving judgement until more information comes out.

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                          P Pumpkin Eater wrote on last edited by Pumpkin Eater
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                          @gftchris said:

                          Also, it's possible that this is actually workplace violence...I'm sure that'll go down well!

                          Anyway, when you apply the definition of terrorism, does this fit? As in, was the intention of the people to terrorise other public health workers? Or just to go after his colleagues? Was what happened because of an ideology, or because of the specific people involved?

                          That's why I'm reserving judgement until more information comes out.

                          Body armor. Arsenal. Ied factory in house. People who didn't work there were involved. Yeah it was workplace violence.
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                            Legacy FanL Legacy Fan wrote on last edited by
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                            Just applying some logic routinely used on this board:

                            If they didn't have that SUV it would have been harder for them to transport their "assault gear" and to actually travel to the site.

                            Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck. -Don Shula
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                              P Pumpkin Eater wrote on last edited by
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                              All the climate change they've experienced in their lifetimes made them do it.

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                              • Legacy FanL Legacy Fan

                                Just applying some logic routinely used on this board:

                                If they didn't have that SUV it would have been harder for them to transport their "assault gear" and to actually travel to the site.

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                                gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                @legacy-fan said:

                                Just applying some logic routinely used on this board:

                                If they didn't have that SUV it would have been harder for them to transport their "assault gear" and to actually travel to the site.

                                You're a smart guy, don't go down that tired route.

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                                  @legacy-fan said:

                                  Just applying some logic routinely used on this board:

                                  If they didn't have that SUV it would have been harder for them to transport their "assault gear" and to actually travel to the site.

                                  You're a smart guy, don't go down that tired route.

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                                  Legacy FanL Legacy Fan wrote on last edited by
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                                  @gftchris said:

                                  You're a smart guy, don't go down that tired route.

                                  Look at the structure, not the result. This isn't a "cars kill more/too" argument.
                                  Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck. -Don Shula
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                                    Legacy FanL Legacy Fan wrote on last edited by
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                                    A refresher:

                                    "Yes a knife can kill, but it's easier to kill more with a gun."

                                    Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck. -Don Shula
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                                    • Legacy FanL Legacy Fan

                                      A refresher:

                                      "Yes a knife can kill, but it's easier to kill more with a gun."

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                                      gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                      @legacy-fan said:

                                      A refresher:

                                      "Yes a knife can kill, but it's easier to kill more with a gun."

                                      This is true, of course.

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                                        As soon as I heard there was three I knew it was muslims. All the democeans wasted no time in calling for gun control. So let me get this straight...you want to take our guns AND you want us to allow tons of muslim "refugees" into the country? Yeah sounds like a plan.

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                                        OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                        @the-cysko-kid said:

                                        As soon as I heard there was three I knew it was muslims. All the democeans wasted no time in calling for gun control. So let me get this straight...you want to take our guns AND you want us to allow tons of muslim "refugees" into the country? Yeah sounds like a plan.

                                        Spot on. Liberal logic 101.

                                        As usual there are liberals who will blame the NRA and call for gun control as soon as something like this happens which goes along with their thinking about not letting a crisis go to waste...use the crisis to advocate for their agenda. They can't seem to grasp a simple concept that criminals and those bent on doing evil deeds don't care about new gun laws or signs on doors that read "gun free zones". They are meaningless to them as these laws only affect those who obey laws in the first place and these people who obey laws are not the problem.

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                                          @legacy-fan said:

                                          A refresher:

                                          "Yes a knife can kill, but it's easier to kill more with a gun."

                                          This is true, of course.

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                                          Legacy FanL Legacy Fan wrote on last edited by Legacy Fan
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                                          @gftchris said:

                                          This is true, of course.

                                          Then you should have no trouble understanding the logic structure.

                                          "I can carry assault gear, and walk to the site, but it's easier to transport it and myself in a SUV."

                                          Can we agree the SUV, like the gun(s) isn't/aren't the problem

                                          Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck. -Don Shula
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