San Bernardino

gftChris

The narrative it does fit is one of "homegrown terrorists", if that's what they are, so I'm guessing they'll be rolling on that pretty heavily.

LogicIsForSquares

The husband grew up in the states in a "secular home" but got devoutly religious in the past few years. This info comes from the guy's father.

It is worrisome that even a guy who grew up here could go all nutty and Islamic along with his old lady.

gftChris

We've had plenty of home grown nutties here. Typically, in my unsubstantiated experience, it's the ones that convert to their religion of choice (freely, not by marriage) that are even nuttier.

MLD Woody

The difference in the reactions by some people on this board between the last two shootings is interesting.

gftChris

@mld-woody said:
The difference in the reactions by some people on this board between the last two shootings is interesting.

The two shootings are quite different, to be fair.

LogicIsForSquares

@mld-woody said:
The difference in the reactions by some people on this board between the last two shootings is interesting.

One mental guy who was a drifter vs. A couple who worked in tandem after appearing to be functioning members of society.

gftChris

@logicisforsquares said:
One mental guy who was a drifter vs. A couple who worked in tandem after appearing to be functioning members of society.

Or, depending on your spin, a mentally disturbed homegrown terrorist bent on furthering an ideology vs a couple who worked in tandem after appearing to be functioning members of society.

MLD Woody

@gftchris said:
The two shootings are quite different, to be fair.

That's true. But some are more ready to jump to conclusions or make assumptions in one case vs the other

This is where I'm obligated to say both are bad before I get called a "Muslim terrorist lover" or some shit..

gftChris

In other news, we just voted to bomb Syria. Big decision, but David Cameron was telling his party's MPs to do as they're told, not walk around with "terrorist sympathisers" - people who don't immediately jump on the "BOMB THE SHIT OUT OF EVERYTHING" band wagon are apparently "terrorist sympathisers." He got crucified for it, but he doesn't care because he's already said he won't run for re-election so his popularity means shit all.

Pumpkin Eater

@gftchris said:

Also, it's possible that this is actually workplace violence...I'm sure that'll go down well!

Anyway, when you apply the definition of terrorism, does this fit? As in, was the intention of the people to terrorise other public health workers? Or just to go after his colleagues? Was what happened because of an ideology, or because of the specific people involved?

That's why I'm reserving judgement until more information comes out.

Body armor. Arsenal. Ied factory in house. People who didn't work there were involved. Yeah it was workplace violence.

Legacy Fan

Just applying some logic routinely used on this board:

If they didn't have that SUV it would have been harder for them to transport their "assault gear" and to actually travel to the site.

Pumpkin Eater

All the climate change they've experienced in their lifetimes made them do it.

gftChris

@legacy-fan said:

Just applying some logic routinely used on this board:

If they didn't have that SUV it would have been harder for them to transport their "assault gear" and to actually travel to the site.

You're a smart guy, don't go down that tired route.

Legacy Fan

@gftchris said:
You're a smart guy, don't go down that tired route.

Look at the structure, not the result. This isn't a "cars kill more/too" argument.

Legacy Fan

A refresher:

"Yes a knife can kill, but it's easier to kill more with a gun."

gftChris

@legacy-fan said:

A refresher:

"Yes a knife can kill, but it's easier to kill more with a gun."

This is true, of course.

OldBrownsFan

@the-cysko-kid said:
As soon as I heard there was three I knew it was muslims. All the democeans wasted no time in calling for gun control. So let me get this straight...you want to take our guns AND you want us to allow tons of muslim "refugees" into the country? Yeah sounds like a plan.

Spot on. Liberal logic 101.

As usual there are liberals who will blame the NRA and call for gun control as soon as something like this happens which goes along with their thinking about not letting a crisis go to waste...use the crisis to advocate for their agenda. They can't seem to grasp a simple concept that criminals and those bent on doing evil deeds don't care about new gun laws or signs on doors that read "gun free zones". They are meaningless to them as these laws only affect those who obey laws in the first place and these people who obey laws are not the problem.

Legacy Fan

@gftchris said:
This is true, of course.

Then you should have no trouble understanding the logic structure.

"I can carry assault gear, and walk to the site, but it's easier to transport it and myself in a SUV."

Can we agree the SUV, like the gun(s) isn't/aren't the problem

gftChris

@legacy-fan said:

Then you should have no trouble understanding the logic structure.

"I can carry assault gear, and walk to the site, but it's easier to transport it and myself in a SUV."

Can we agree the SUV, like the gun(s) isn't/aren't the problem

We can agree the SUV isn't the problem, for sure.

I'm going to argue that the "assault gear" is the problem though.

Clevfan4life

@legacy-fan said:

Then you should have no trouble understanding the logic structure.

"I can carry assault gear, and walk to the site, but it's easier to transport it and myself in a SUV."

Can we agree the SUV, like the gun(s) isn't/aren't the problem

While I agree that in this current climate, disarming U.S citizens while allowing these fucks into the country is beyond Retard, to say your logic string here is fail is being nice. Equating an SUV with a gun that was built for one purpose and one purpose only........I mean just stop. We can have other valid arguments but this constant insistence on your part to equate guns with other innocuous "things" is getting absurd.