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  • Just applying some logic routinely used on this board:

    If they didn't have that SUV it would have been harder for them to transport their "assault gear" and to actually travel to the site.

  • All the climate change they've experienced in their lifetimes made them do it.

  • Just applying some logic routinely used on this board:

    If they didn't have that SUV it would have been harder for them to transport their "assault gear" and to actually travel to the site.

    @legacy-fan said:

    Just applying some logic routinely used on this board:

    If they didn't have that SUV it would have been harder for them to transport their "assault gear" and to actually travel to the site.

    You're a smart guy, don't go down that tired route.

  • @legacy-fan said:

    Just applying some logic routinely used on this board:

    If they didn't have that SUV it would have been harder for them to transport their "assault gear" and to actually travel to the site.

    You're a smart guy, don't go down that tired route.

    @gftchris said:

    You're a smart guy, don't go down that tired route.

    Look at the structure, not the result. This isn't a "cars kill more/too" argument.
  • A refresher:

    "Yes a knife can kill, but it's easier to kill more with a gun."

  • A refresher:

    "Yes a knife can kill, but it's easier to kill more with a gun."

    @legacy-fan said:

    A refresher:

    "Yes a knife can kill, but it's easier to kill more with a gun."

    This is true, of course.

  • As soon as I heard there was three I knew it was muslims. All the democeans wasted no time in calling for gun control. So let me get this straight...you want to take our guns AND you want us to allow tons of muslim "refugees" into the country? Yeah sounds like a plan.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    As soon as I heard there was three I knew it was muslims. All the democeans wasted no time in calling for gun control. So let me get this straight...you want to take our guns AND you want us to allow tons of muslim "refugees" into the country? Yeah sounds like a plan.

    Spot on. Liberal logic 101.

    As usual there are liberals who will blame the NRA and call for gun control as soon as something like this happens which goes along with their thinking about not letting a crisis go to waste...use the crisis to advocate for their agenda. They can't seem to grasp a simple concept that criminals and those bent on doing evil deeds don't care about new gun laws or signs on doors that read "gun free zones". They are meaningless to them as these laws only affect those who obey laws in the first place and these people who obey laws are not the problem.

  • @legacy-fan said:

    A refresher:

    "Yes a knife can kill, but it's easier to kill more with a gun."

    This is true, of course.

    @gftchris said:

    This is true, of course.

    Then you should have no trouble understanding the logic structure.

    "I can carry assault gear, and walk to the site, but it's easier to transport it and myself in a SUV."

    Can we agree the SUV, like the gun(s) isn't/aren't the problem

  • @gftchris said:

    This is true, of course.

    Then you should have no trouble understanding the logic structure.

    "I can carry assault gear, and walk to the site, but it's easier to transport it and myself in a SUV."

    Can we agree the SUV, like the gun(s) isn't/aren't the problem

    @legacy-fan said:

    Then you should have no trouble understanding the logic structure.

    "I can carry assault gear, and walk to the site, but it's easier to transport it and myself in a SUV."

    Can we agree the SUV, like the gun(s) isn't/aren't the problem

    We can agree the SUV isn't the problem, for sure.

    I'm going to argue that the "assault gear" is the problem though.

  • @gftchris said:

    This is true, of course.

    Then you should have no trouble understanding the logic structure.

    "I can carry assault gear, and walk to the site, but it's easier to transport it and myself in a SUV."

    Can we agree the SUV, like the gun(s) isn't/aren't the problem

    @legacy-fan said:

    Then you should have no trouble understanding the logic structure.

    "I can carry assault gear, and walk to the site, but it's easier to transport it and myself in a SUV."

    Can we agree the SUV, like the gun(s) isn't/aren't the problem

    While I agree that in this current climate, disarming U.S citizens while allowing these fucks into the country is beyond Retard, to say your logic string here is fail is being nice. Equating an SUV with a gun that was built for one purpose and one purpose only........I mean just stop. We can have other valid arguments but this constant insistence on your part to equate guns with other innocuous "things" is getting absurd.

  • People who are on the no fly list can buy guns.

    It'd probably be good to have some sort of law to prohibit that, don't ya think?

    ---

    I'm not saying that would have prevented this or many others obviously, but dismissing every kind of gun reform is foolish.

    Mohammed Al-Zarkaweri-Fleshbong who is on the no-fly list because he's a suspected terrorist shouldn't be able to go buy an AR-15.

    At least in my opinion.

  • People who are on the no fly list can buy guns.

    It'd probably be good to have some sort of law to prohibit that, don't ya think?

    ---

    I'm not saying that would have prevented this or many others obviously, but dismissing every kind of gun reform is foolish.

    Mohammed Al-Zarkaweri-Fleshbong who is on the no-fly list because he's a suspected terrorist shouldn't be able to go buy an AR-15.

    At least in my opinion.

    @bbedward said:

    People who are on the no fly list can buy guns.

    It'd probably be good to have some sort of law to prohibit that, don't ya think?

    ---

    I'm not saying that would have prevented this or many others obviously, but dismissing every kind of gun reform is foolish.

    Mohammed Al-Zarkaweri-Fleshbong who is on the no-fly list because he's a suspected terrorist shouldn't be able to go buy an AR-15.

    At least in my opinion.

    That isn't already a law?

  • @bbedward said:

    People who are on the no fly list can buy guns.

    It'd probably be good to have some sort of law to prohibit that, don't ya think?

    ---

    I'm not saying that would have prevented this or many others obviously, but dismissing every kind of gun reform is foolish.

    Mohammed Al-Zarkaweri-Fleshbong who is on the no-fly list because he's a suspected terrorist shouldn't be able to go buy an AR-15.

    At least in my opinion.

    That isn't already a law?

    @gftchris said:

    That isn't already a law?

    Nope. We can thank the NRA for shooting that one down.

    People hear gun laws and think "they're taking our guns away! 2nd amendment! Freedom!"

  • People who are on the no fly list can buy guns.

    It'd probably be good to have some sort of law to prohibit that, don't ya think?

    ---

    I'm not saying that would have prevented this or many others obviously, but dismissing every kind of gun reform is foolish.

    Mohammed Al-Zarkaweri-Fleshbong who is on the no-fly list because he's a suspected terrorist shouldn't be able to go buy an AR-15.

    At least in my opinion.

    @bbedward said:

    People who are on the no fly list can buy guns.

    It'd probably be good to have some sort of law to prohibit that, don't ya think?

    ---

    I'm not saying that would have prevented this or many others obviously, but dismissing every kind of gun reform is foolish.

    Mohammed Al-Zarkaweri-Fleshbong who is on the no-fly list because he's a suspected terrorist shouldn't be able to go buy an AR-15.

    At least in my opinion.

    There are a number of problems that need to be resolved mainly as who gets on this list...I think at one time sen. Ted Kennedy was on the list...

    How A Journalist Ended Up On A Terror Watch List

    http://www.npr.org/2014/09/28/352290026/how-a-journalist-ended-up-on-a-terror-watch-list

    Here’s Why People on the “No Fly List” Should Be Able to Buy Guns

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/08/robert-farago/heres-why-people-on-the-no-fly-list-should-be-able-to-buy-guns/

  • OBF, when your thinking is "but what if an innocent person can't get a gun" rather than "but why can suspected terrorists get a gun" then something's not right.

  • OBF, when your thinking is "but what if an innocent person can't get a gun" rather than "but why can suspected terrorists get a gun" then something's not right.

    @gftchris said:

    OBF, when your thinking is "but what if an innocent person can't get a gun" rather than "but why can suspected terrorists get a gun" then something's not right.

    When your thinking is the answer is to suspend our constitution something is not right as well. When we suspend our constitution to fight terrorism the terrorists have already won.

  • @bbedward said:

    People who are on the no fly list can buy guns.

    It'd probably be good to have some sort of law to prohibit that, don't ya think?

    ---

    I'm not saying that would have prevented this or many others obviously, but dismissing every kind of gun reform is foolish.

    Mohammed Al-Zarkaweri-Fleshbong who is on the no-fly list because he's a suspected terrorist shouldn't be able to go buy an AR-15.

    At least in my opinion.

    There are a number of problems that need to be resolved mainly as who gets on this list...I think at one time sen. Ted Kennedy was on the list...

    How A Journalist Ended Up On A Terror Watch List

    http://www.npr.org/2014/09/28/352290026/how-a-journalist-ended-up-on-a-terror-watch-list

    Here’s Why People on the “No Fly List” Should Be Able to Buy Guns

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/08/robert-farago/heres-why-people-on-the-no-fly-list-should-be-able-to-buy-guns/

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    There are a number of problems that need to be resolved mainly as who gets on this list...I think at one time sen. Ted Kennedy was on the list...

    How A Journalist Ended Up On A Terror Watch List

    http://www.npr.org/2014/09/28/352290026/how-a-journalist-ended-up-on-a-terror-watch-list

    Here’s Why People on the “No Fly List” Should Be Able to Buy Guns

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/08/robert-farago/heres-why-people-on-the-no-fly-list-should-be-able-to-buy-guns/

    @gftchris said:

    That isn't already a law?

    See? Told you so, people are crazy here. I'm sure Cal and many others also think no fly list guys should be able to go buy guns at will.

    We have about 100,000 people on the no-fly list I believe and 1,000,000 people on the terrorist watch list (at least one of the major ones). They can all go buy AR-15s whenever they want.

    It takes about 30 days to get your name off of the list - documentation reviewed by Homeland Security, etc.

    The 0.00002% of Americans who get put on the list accidentially can deal with the inconvenience (Can't buy a gun for 30 days) if it means keeping the other 99.999% of us safer.

  • The terrorist (male) purchased the handguns legally. The rifles were purchased by someone else, not sure how he obtained those.

    The arms used in Paris I read were obtained in Germany. Don't they have strict gun control laws there?

  • @gftchris said:

    OBF, when your thinking is "but what if an innocent person can't get a gun" rather than "but why can suspected terrorists get a gun" then something's not right.

    When your thinking is the answer is to suspend our constitution something is not right as well. When we suspend our constitution to fight terrorism the terrorists have already won.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    When your thinking is the answer is to suspend our constitution something is not right as well. When we suspend our constitution to fight terrorism the terrorists have already won.

    You already suspend your constitution plenty. Prisoners, drug addicts, mental patients, and a bunch of other groups of people aren't allowed to buy guns.

    So, given that the 'suspending the constitution = terrorists winning' argument doesn't hold much water, why should suspected terrorists be allowed to buy guns exactly?

  • @legacy-fan said:

    Then you should have no trouble understanding the logic structure.

    "I can carry assault gear, and walk to the site, but it's easier to transport it and myself in a SUV."

    Can we agree the SUV, like the gun(s) isn't/aren't the problem

    While I agree that in this current climate, disarming U.S citizens while allowing these fucks into the country is beyond Retard, to say your logic string here is fail is being nice. Equating an SUV with a gun that was built for one purpose and one purpose only........I mean just stop. We can have other valid arguments but this constant insistence on your part to equate guns with other innocuous "things" is getting absurd.

    @clevfan4life said:

    While I agree that in this current climate, disarming U.S citizens while allowing these fucks into the country is beyond Retard, to say your logic string here is fail is being nice. Equating an SUV with a gun that was built for one purpose and one purpose only........I mean just stop. We can have other valid arguments but this constant insistence on your part to equate guns with other innocuous "things" is getting absurd.

    I wasn't expecting any level of comprehension from you. Thanks for not letting me down.