San Bernardino
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OBF, when your thinking is "but what if an innocent person can't get a gun" rather than "but why can suspected terrorists get a gun" then something's not right.
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OBF, when your thinking is "but what if an innocent person can't get a gun" rather than "but why can suspected terrorists get a gun" then something's not right.
OBF, when your thinking is "but what if an innocent person can't get a gun" rather than "but why can suspected terrorists get a gun" then something's not right.
When your thinking is the answer is to suspend our constitution something is not right as well. When we suspend our constitution to fight terrorism the terrorists have already won.
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People who are on the no fly list can buy guns.
It'd probably be good to have some sort of law to prohibit that, don't ya think?
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I'm not saying that would have prevented this or many others obviously, but dismissing every kind of gun reform is foolish.
Mohammed Al-Zarkaweri-Fleshbong who is on the no-fly list because he's a suspected terrorist shouldn't be able to go buy an AR-15.
At least in my opinion.
There are a number of problems that need to be resolved mainly as who gets on this list...I think at one time sen. Ted Kennedy was on the list...
How A Journalist Ended Up On A Terror Watch List
http://www.npr.org/2014/09/28/352290026/how-a-journalist-ended-up-on-a-terror-watch-list
Here’s Why People on the “No Fly List” Should Be Able to Buy Guns
There are a number of problems that need to be resolved mainly as who gets on this list...I think at one time sen. Ted Kennedy was on the list...
How A Journalist Ended Up On A Terror Watch List
http://www.npr.org/2014/09/28/352290026/how-a-journalist-ended-up-on-a-terror-watch-list
Here’s Why People on the “No Fly List” Should Be Able to Buy Guns
That isn't already a law?
See? Told you so, people are crazy here. I'm sure Cal and many others also think no fly list guys should be able to go buy guns at will.
We have about 100,000 people on the no-fly list I believe and 1,000,000 people on the terrorist watch list (at least one of the major ones). They can all go buy AR-15s whenever they want.
It takes about 30 days to get your name off of the list - documentation reviewed by Homeland Security, etc.
The 0.00002% of Americans who get put on the list accidentially can deal with the inconvenience (Can't buy a gun for 30 days) if it means keeping the other 99.999% of us safer.
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The terrorist (male) purchased the handguns legally. The rifles were purchased by someone else, not sure how he obtained those.
The arms used in Paris I read were obtained in Germany. Don't they have strict gun control laws there?
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OBF, when your thinking is "but what if an innocent person can't get a gun" rather than "but why can suspected terrorists get a gun" then something's not right.
When your thinking is the answer is to suspend our constitution something is not right as well. When we suspend our constitution to fight terrorism the terrorists have already won.
When your thinking is the answer is to suspend our constitution something is not right as well. When we suspend our constitution to fight terrorism the terrorists have already won.
You already suspend your constitution plenty. Prisoners, drug addicts, mental patients, and a bunch of other groups of people aren't allowed to buy guns.
So, given that the 'suspending the constitution = terrorists winning' argument doesn't hold much water, why should suspected terrorists be allowed to buy guns exactly?
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Then you should have no trouble understanding the logic structure.
"I can carry assault gear, and walk to the site, but it's easier to transport it and myself in a SUV."
Can we agree the SUV, like the gun(s) isn't/aren't the problem
While I agree that in this current climate, disarming U.S citizens while allowing these fucks into the country is beyond Retard, to say your logic string here is fail is being nice. Equating an SUV with a gun that was built for one purpose and one purpose only........I mean just stop. We can have other valid arguments but this constant insistence on your part to equate guns with other innocuous "things" is getting absurd.
I wasn't expecting any level of comprehension from you. Thanks for not letting me down.While I agree that in this current climate, disarming U.S citizens while allowing these fucks into the country is beyond Retard, to say your logic string here is fail is being nice. Equating an SUV with a gun that was built for one purpose and one purpose only........I mean just stop. We can have other valid arguments but this constant insistence on your part to equate guns with other innocuous "things" is getting absurd.
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The bill would give the attorney general discretion to “deny the transfer of a firearm” if he or she “determines that the transferee is known (or appropriately suspected) to be or have been engaged in conduct constituting, in preparation for, in aid of, or related to terrorism, or providing material support or resources for terrorism” and “has a reasonable belief that the prospective transferee may use a firearm in connection with terrorism.”
In other words, the bill would have given the [Democratic] Attorney General of the United States the power to define terrorism, and then deny anyone who falls under his or her definition their natural, civil and Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms. Based on the AG’s “reasonable belief.”
Statism baby! That’s how the Dems roll.
The Obama administration’s no-fly lists and broader watchlisting system is based on predicting crimes rather than relying on records of demonstrated offenses, the government has been forced to admit in court.In a little-noticed filing before an Oregon federal judge, the US Justice Department and the FBI conceded that stopping US and other citizens from travelling on airplanes is a matter of “predictive assessments about potential threats”, the government asserted in May . . .The declaration comes in a longstanding case, brought by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), arguing that the government does not provide significant steps for someone caught in the “predictive assessments” to get off the blacklists.Note that the above-named Senators (not to mention our NY RINO pal Peter King in the House and his Democratic pals) want to duplicate the No-Fly List to create a No-Gun List. It would involve the same secret determination according to secret criteria, without prior judicial oversight.
While the No-Fly List appeals process is ultimately adjudicated by . . . wait for it . . . the Transportation Safety Administration, someone on the No-Gun List would have to take Uncle Sam to court, where they would NOT be able to see the evidence against them (ex parte all the way baby!).
While we await the return of the No-Gun list proposal, the civilian disarmament industrial complex continues its clarion call for federal laws to prohibit people on the No-Fly list from purchasing firearms. This recent revelation about the No-Fly list’s unproven, unconstitutional “predictive” process should completely undermine that effort. But won’t.
On Friday, the ACLU asked Judge Anna Brown to conduct her own review of the error rate in the government’s predictions modeling – a process the ACLU likens to the “pre-crime” of Philip K Dick’s science fiction. -
People who are on the no fly list can buy guns.
It'd probably be good to have some sort of law to prohibit that, don't ya think?
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I'm not saying that would have prevented this or many others obviously, but dismissing every kind of gun reform is foolish.
Mohammed Al-Zarkaweri-Fleshbong who is on the no-fly list because he's a suspected terrorist shouldn't be able to go buy an AR-15.
At least in my opinion.
He also shouldn't be in our country.People who are on the no fly list can buy guns.
It'd probably be good to have some sort of law to prohibit that, don't ya think?
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I'm not saying that would have prevented this or many others obviously, but dismissing every kind of gun reform is foolish.
Mohammed Al-Zarkaweri-Fleshbong who is on the no-fly list because he's a suspected terrorist shouldn't be able to go buy an AR-15.
At least in my opinion.
Gun problem solved.
Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck. -Don Shula -
So, you posted the link, then dumped the text from the link? I'm capable of clicking on the link. It basically said "government baaaaaad"
"...based on predicting crimes rather than relying on records of demonstrated offenses..." So, now we're saying intelligence is a bad thing?
Aside from being scared of the governmental boogie man, what legitimate reasons are there for allowing suspected terrorists to buy guns?
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He also shouldn't be in our country.People who are on the no fly list can buy guns.
It'd probably be good to have some sort of law to prohibit that, don't ya think?
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I'm not saying that would have prevented this or many others obviously, but dismissing every kind of gun reform is foolish.
Mohammed Al-Zarkaweri-Fleshbong who is on the no-fly list because he's a suspected terrorist shouldn't be able to go buy an AR-15.
At least in my opinion.
Gun problem solved.
He also shouldn't be in our country.
Gun problem solved.
The shooter today was born in the US. Which country should he have been in?
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It is better to incorrectly call a good part defective than to call a defective part good and ship it to the customer.
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It is better to incorrectly call a good part defective than to call a defective part good and ship it to the customer.
It is better to incorrectly call a good part defective than to call a defective part hood and ship it yo the customer.
Spell check man. Like it or not, your point carries significantly more legitimacy if the spelling and grammar is on point.
To your point, that works in parts, but the whole 'innocent until proven guilty' thing disagrees.
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So, you posted the link, then dumped the text from the link? I'm capable of clicking on the link. It basically said "government baaaaaad"
"...based on predicting crimes rather than relying on records of demonstrated offenses..." So, now we're saying intelligence is a bad thing?
Aside from being scared of the governmental boogie man, what legitimate reasons are there for allowing suspected terrorists to buy guns?
So, you posted the link, then dumped the text from the link? I'm capable of clicking on the link. It basically said "government baaaaaad"
"...based on predicting crimes rather than relying on records of demonstrated offenses..." So, now we're saying intelligence is a bad thing?
Aside from being scared of the governmental boogie man, what legitimate reasons are there for allowing suspected terrorists to buy guns?
What is hard to understand about getting the process right first before enacting yet another law that will infringe on the rights of innocent people. The system that puts people on no fly lists is flawed as has been demonstrated. Fix the system where actual terrorists are on the list instead of those just suspected such as conservative journalists.
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So, you posted the link, then dumped the text from the link? I'm capable of clicking on the link. It basically said "government baaaaaad"
"...based on predicting crimes rather than relying on records of demonstrated offenses..." So, now we're saying intelligence is a bad thing?
Aside from being scared of the governmental boogie man, what legitimate reasons are there for allowing suspected terrorists to buy guns?
What is hard to understand about getting the process right first before enacting yet another law that will infringe on the rights of innocent people. The system that puts people on no fly lists is flawed as has been demonstrated. Fix the system where actual terrorists are on the list instead of those just suspected such as conservative journalists.
What is hard to understand about getting the process right first before enacting yet another law that will infringe on the rights of innocent people. The system that puts people on no fly lists is flawed as has been demonstrated. Fix the system where actual terrorists are on the list instead of those just suspected such as conservative journalists.
Even by your own logic, the part of the process that is (apparently) at fault is not the "suspected terrorists shouldn't be allowed to buy guns" but the "this person is a suspected terrorist" part. By all means fix that if it's broken, but I'd rather a few people get inadvertently caught in the "is this persona terrorist? maybe, let's keep them under serveillance for a bit" net than a few actual terrorists slip through.
I'm honestly staggered that we're even having this debate.
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It is better to incorrectly call a good part defective than to call a defective part hood and ship it yo the customer.
Spell check man. Like it or not, your point carries significantly more legitimacy if the spelling and grammar is on point.
To your point, that works in parts, but the whole 'innocent until proven guilty' thing disagrees.
Spell check man. Like it or not, your point carries significantly more legitimacy if the spelling and grammar is on point.
To your point, that works in parts, but the whole 'innocent until proven guilty' thing disagrees.
That was in response to Ed and having people incorrectly on the no fly list be unable to get guns.
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He also shouldn't be in our country.
Gun problem solved.
The shooter today was born in the US. Which country should he have been in?
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What is hard to understand about getting the process right first before enacting yet another law that will infringe on the rights of innocent people. The system that puts people on no fly lists is flawed as has been demonstrated. Fix the system where actual terrorists are on the list instead of those just suspected such as conservative journalists.
Even by your own logic, the part of the process that is (apparently) at fault is not the "suspected terrorists shouldn't be allowed to buy guns" but the "this person is a suspected terrorist" part. By all means fix that if it's broken, but I'd rather a few people get inadvertently caught in the "is this persona terrorist? maybe, let's keep them under serveillance for a bit" net than a few actual terrorists slip through.
I'm honestly staggered that we're even having this debate.
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What is hard to understand about getting the process right first before enacting yet another law that will infringe on the rights of innocent people. The system that puts people on no fly lists is flawed as has been demonstrated. Fix the system where actual terrorists are on the list instead of those just suspected such as conservative journalists.
Even by your own logic, the part of the process that is (apparently) at fault is not the "suspected terrorists shouldn't be allowed to buy guns" but the "this person is a suspected terrorist" part. By all means fix that if it's broken, but I'd rather a few people get inadvertently caught in the "is this persona terrorist? maybe, let's keep them under serveillance for a bit" net than a few actual terrorists slip through.
I'm honestly staggered that we're even having this debate.
Even by your own logic, the part of the process that is (apparently) at fault is not the "suspected terrorists shouldn't be allowed to buy guns" but the "this person is a suspected terrorist" part. By all means fix that if it's broken, but I'd rather a few people get inadvertently caught in the "is this persona terrorist? maybe, let's keep them under serveillance for a bit" net than a few actual terrorists slip through.
I'm honestly staggered that we're even having this debate.
Just saying whatever is done to fight terrorism must follow our constitution and we should not suspend our constitution to fight terrorism. Fix the no fly system and make it better first before passing a law stating if you are on the no fly zone you cannot own a weapon is all that I am asking. Of course I do not want to see terrorists legally buy weapons here (but seriously they aren't getting them legally anyway). In principal I am for this law but I want it to pass our constitutional muster where law abiding citizens don't find themselves in this net meant for terrorists. It is easy to say if it is just a few it is alright as long as you are not the person who is one of the few.
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I wasn't expecting any level of comprehension from you. Thanks for not letting me down.While I agree that in this current climate, disarming U.S citizens while allowing these fucks into the country is beyond Retard, to say your logic string here is fail is being nice. Equating an SUV with a gun that was built for one purpose and one purpose only........I mean just stop. We can have other valid arguments but this constant insistence on your part to equate guns with other innocuous "things" is getting absurd.
I wasn't expecting any level of comprehension from you. Thanks for not letting me down.
there's nothing of value to comprehend with your logic. I technically see what you're always trying to do but it's stupid. Wholesale stupid. It's just a pre rendered boiler plated narrative that's been put on you, and you can't for the life of you see through it.
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A. Edw is an asshole for talking about how I and anybody else want no fly people suspected of
terrorist ties/leanings...to buy guns.
Stop being an asshole, edw. The problem is, we've had a pres/AG who would happily put entire classes of
groups of people on the no fly list. He's that corrupt in his leftism. Social security folks
who have friends/family handle their finances... returning veterans... tea party folks...pro-Constitution folks....
anti-abortion folks....anti-mmgw folks.....anti-perverse redefinition of marriage folks....any American with
more than one or two guns....
so please STFU about your knee jerking politics. Opposing a very bad law that the left wants and falsely claims
"it will solve the problem"....doesn't mean that those who rightly oppose the very bad law want the problem to stay.
That is just so intellectually dishonest it's amazing that so many libs go for that nonsense.
B. Obamao has brought this on us - unlimited, unvetted mass immigration, extreme weakness and cowardice,
biased way over the top towards MUSLIMS and MUSLIM COUNTRIES, refusing to say the words "Islamic
extremists/terrorists".....
C. It is the usual corruption of leftism - encourage a crisis so you can use it for political gain against your political opponents.
Look at how he has acted on mmgw, 2nd Amendment, 1st Amendment, Christian moral stances, siding with all blacks
in any shooting or violence or legal controversy....
California already has nearly the strongest gun control in the country..., how many times has this been shown
to be exactly what NOT to do to regular Americans? These Bern. terrorists had bombs. Those are illegal.
They planned this for a good while.
D. The brother-in-law of Syed gave a short pres conference statement - he emotionally said he never, ever saw this coming,
and he was so sorry, for the victims of the violence....... he is very much devastated.
E. I reckon I will never understand liberals turning on their fellow Americans when terrorism hits, like the Bern. terrorists
did. What kind of sick idea do they have, to go after hundreds of millions of decent American folks, every time
a mentally sick individual/and/or/ISLAMIC TERRORIST acts out in hideous violence?
What the hell is up with blaming the "NRA" or "Tea Party" ?
F. I understand they are not declaring this an act of terrorism until the facts are in. But, more and more the facts
are saying just that. Don't be surprised if ObaMao never does admit it. He just wants to go after
political opponents, including the American people who aren't like him....
G. Gee, another gun free zone...dammit. It seems that the Saudi wife of Syed? got a job there...to scout the place,
or maybe I didn't hear it right - I was in the other room answering the phone....
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