Austin Davis named starter against Bungles...
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Right, what I meant was if he's entered the program automatically by going to rehab, then he's on the Josh Gordon 'pee in a cup a day' program, and his drinking would presumably trigger an automatic suspension.
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Let's not forget, Bret Favre compared Davis to Kurt Warner and Tom Brady.
(Don't kill the messenger)
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I dont think anybody would know....its very very secret and MAJOR fines for any leaks($500,000)....
And right, we dont know and are completely speculating.....BUT, if you read the policy, which I have and have posted here, you will see that johnny meets the criteria not once, but 3 different ways......
Just entering rehab is enough to make him stage I.....(id list all the reasons again, but have posted this several times already)....just know that there are lots of reasons to believe he's in the program....and NO ONE would know unless Johnny made it public.....
I dont think anybody would know....its very very secret and MAJOR fines for any leaks($500,000)....
And right, we dont know and are completely speculating.....BUT, if you read the policy, which I have and have posted here, you will see that johnny meets the criteria not once, but 3 different ways......
Just entering rehab is enough to make him stage I.....(id list all the reasons again, but have posted this several times already)....just know that there are lots of reasons to believe he's in the program....and NO ONE would know unless Johnny made it public.....
This is a great post laced with concrete facts, many of which I was not aware of. I work everyday with addicts, and I know their behavior. If I was a betting man, I would think Johnny's problems are more severe than many think. In fact, I think it goes beyond alcohol. However, I have ZERO evidence to support this, and please know that I am not trying to spread rumors. I am merely speculating. I believe there was a video of Johnny holding a rolled up bill a year or two ago, and there aren't many reasons to have one of those besides the obvious.
The most glaring evidence of Johnny's addictive behavior came from his recent suspension. After all of his hard work, after a near brush with the law, and directly after being named the starting QB for a team he's let down multiple times...he literally couldn't help himself. He not only got wasted, he allowed himself to be taped. And in typical addict mentality, he at first tried to get other people to cover it up, he didn't take accountability, and he lied.
I don't know many addicts, if any, that got sobriety right the first time. Deep down, many addicts believe they can still party, and the next time they'll do a better job of controlling it. They scheme of ways to get away with it, they make alliances with people who won't rat them out, and they say all of the right things. Many times an individual has to hit "rock bottom" before they completely realize that they can't live with alcohol or drugs. Rock bottom is different for everybody, and is being demoted to third string bottom enough for Johnny to take his drinking (or whatever) more seriously? Addiction is complicated, and it's the only disease in the world that tells the person they don't have it.
Again, this is all speculation, and I could be ass wrong (as usual, hehe), but I see a lot of behavior in Johnny that I have witnessed in many others like him. Being an addict is difficult enough, I can't IMAGINE how difficult it would be to have an addiction AND have money. I want to be wrong here. I want Johnny to just be a young idiot who likes to party and just can't help himself. However, I think the issues run far deeper, and I hope he's taking it seriously. I want him to succeed so badly. Talent like his is rare, and a pity when thrown away. Sorry for the long post (again).
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Let's not forget, Bret Favre compared Davis to Kurt Warner and Tom Brady.
(Don't kill the messenger)
Zombo said:
Let's not forget, Bret Favre compared Davis to Kurt Warner and Tom Brady.
(Don't kill the messenger)
And Hoyer...
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Let's not forget, Bret Favre compared Davis to Kurt Warner and Tom Brady.
(Don't kill the messenger)
Zombo said:
Let's not forget, Bret Favre compared Davis to Kurt Warner and Tom Brady.
(Don't kill the messenger)
That would be great. I'm surprised you guys don't hate Brett Favre since he was a major league drunk and substance abuser when he played.
WSS
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Zombo said:
Let's not forget, Bret Favre compared Davis to Kurt Warner and Tom Brady.
(Don't kill the messenger)
And Hoyer...
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Zombo said:
Let's not forget, Bret Favre compared Davis to Kurt Warner and Tom Brady.
(Don't kill the messenger)
That would be great. I'm surprised you guys don't hate Brett Favre since he was a major league drunk and substance abuser when he played.
WSS
That would be great. I'm surprised you guys don't hate Brett Favre since he was a major league drunk and substance abuser when he played.
WSS
Does someone hate Johnny?
I'm not feeling that. Not amongst any reasonable posters.
Favre went into rehab in 1996 before the season and then played the best football of his life.
Hopefully Johnny does the same after his second stint.
Zombo
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Right, what I meant was if he's entered the program automatically by going to rehab, then he's on the Josh Gordon 'pee in a cup a day' program, and his drinking would presumably trigger an automatic suspension.
Right, what I meant was if he's entered the program automatically by going to rehab, then he's on the Josh Gordon 'pee in a cup a day' program, and his drinking would presumably trigger an automatic suspension.
True....if it was for alcohol.....But Im thinking the rolled up bill triggered a piss test....and, if he failed, a volunteer entry into rehab would prevent a suspension and/or fine......(as per NFL policy)
And, coincidentally, he happened to enter rehab just a few months later(and right after he said he didnt have a problem and wasnt changing for anyone).....(then said I have a problem and am entering myself into rehab)...thats a big change for no reason, dont ya think???
Now....if it was for something other than alcohol(coke? ecstacy?), then he may still be allowed to drink......BUT, the Commish also has the power to escalate things if the abuser shows signs of having control issues, etc.....
So.....with all the public issues relating to drinking, Goodel could add alcohol to Johnnys banned list at his own discretion...
This is a great post laced with concrete facts, many of which I was not aware of. I work everyday with addicts, and I know their behavior. If I was a betting man, I would think Johnny's problems are more severe than many think. In fact, I think it goes beyond alcohol. However, I have ZERO evidence to support this, and please know that I am not trying to spread rumors. I am merely speculating. I believe there was a video of Johnny holding a rolled up bill a year or two ago, and there aren't many reasons to have one of those besides the obvious.
The most glaring evidence of Johnny's addictive behavior came from his recent suspension.
Again, this is all speculation, and I could be ass wrong (as usual, hehe), but I see a lot of behavior in Johnny that I have witnessed in many others like him.
We're speaking the same language.....and the rolled bill is the key......
And....Brett Favre?.....not the same in my eyes, at all.....biggest difference?.....Favre got it straight by year 2 and was playing well... .and the even bigger difference was that Farve was a really good player.....
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Mark O-"Can we just get a QB that wins for christs sake?"
LOL-I thought you said it was the defense.
jiggins-great post and spot on in my opinion coming from a similar working background before retirement.
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Zombo said:
Yes, Brian Hoyer, who is 14-8 with some mediocre teams the past three years.
Zombo
Exactly. Why some/most people cant, or simply won't see this is beyond me........... I guess they're too busy logging on to PFF to read all about our #2 ranked o-line. LMAO
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Zombo said:
Yes, Brian Hoyer, who is 14-8 with some mediocre teams the past three years.
Zombo
Exactly. Why some/most people cant, or simply won't see this is beyond me........... I guess they're too busy logging on to PFF to read all about our #2 ranked o-line. LMAO
Exactly. Why some/most people cant, or simply won't see this is beyond me........... I guess they're too busy logging on to PFF to read all about our #2 ranked o-line. LMAO
"According to our calculations, the Browns have the best o-line on a Tuesday evening under overcast conditions." *adjusts bifocals*
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That would be great. I'm surprised you guys don't hate Brett Favre since he was a major league drunk and substance abuser when he played.
WSS
Does someone hate Johnny?
I'm not feeling that. Not amongst any reasonable posters.
Favre went into rehab in 1996 before the season and then played the best football of his life.
Hopefully Johnny does the same after his second stint.
Zombo
Zombo my Irish brother sober up! Half the fuckers on this board hate Johnny! Probably a third of them hate the Browns! At least that's how it seems.Zombo said:
Does someone hate Johnny?
I'm not feeling that. Not amongst any reasonable posters.
Favre went into rehab in 1996 before the season and then played the best football of his life.
Hopefully Johnny does the same after his second stint.
Zombo
WSS
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While you guys are debating how this effects Johnny and what defines a fan boy ....
I just picked up Austin Davis and both my fantasy teams.
I think he may start for my playoff bound Coon Dawgs over my other QB ... Brian Hoyer.
Davis is going to light it up. We will get Hawk back, hopefully, to share the underneath stuff with Hartline, while Benji and Barny continue on their 1,000 yard plus paces. Pepper in some Terrelle Pryor and we are going to be just a pass-happy machine the rest of the way. Not like we have a running game.
AD is going to light it up!
Zombo
Zombo said:
Davis is going to light it up. We will get Hawk back, hopefully, to share the underneath stuff with Hartline, while Benji and Barny continue on their 1,000 yard plus paces. Pepper in some Terrelle Pryor and we are going to be just a pass-happy machine the rest of the way. Not like we have a running game.
AD is going to light it up!
Throw in an intro to Glenn Winston and THAT's what I call a plan...
So.....with all the public issues relating to drinking, Goodel could add alcohol to Johnnys banned list at his own discretion...
And....Brett Favre?.....not the same in my eyes, at all.....biggest difference?.....Favre got it straight by year 2 and was playing well... .and the even bigger difference was that Farve was a really good player.....
Goodel does a lot of things that end up not sticking...
As for Favre... forgot about his rehab stint... painkillers as I recall.
I'm not a "hater" when it comes to him either, but I have an issue with the concept of a 1st-ballot, HOF QB who averaged over one INT per game and threw over 3 picks for every 5 TD throws. The guy was simply a loose-cannon gunslinger.
Twice in his career he had teammates explain to him that he did not have to do everything for the team to win: '96 by Reggie White and '09 with AP. The results were two of his better years and his only SB.
I think he prevented more SB victories than he won.
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Fuck, I'd forgotten about Glenn Winston. Why the fuck haven't we seen him get a carry at all? I mean, it's not like Crowell has been lighting it up, running for 150 100 75 50 yards and 3 2 1 TDs a first down every game.
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Zombo my Irish brother sober up! Half the fuckers on this board hate Johnny! Probably a third of them hate the Browns! At least that's how it seems.Zombo said:
Does someone hate Johnny?
I'm not feeling that. Not amongst any reasonable posters.
Favre went into rehab in 1996 before the season and then played the best football of his life.
Hopefully Johnny does the same after his second stint.
Zombo
WSS
Zombo my Irish brother sober up! Half the fuckers on this board hate Johnny! Probably a third of them hate the fucking Browns!
WSS
Do they hate him, or are they frustrated with him?
I don't remember a big backlash against the kid until he spent his entire rookie year unprepared and uncommitted. Now he gets handed the opportunity of a lifetime and before the bye week is over he loses it by lying to the Browns.
I actually like the guy ... I just feel sorry for him. He is wasting his talents. Hoping he gets it turned around.
In the meantime, I hope Austin Davis takes this opportunity to show that he was a hidden gem ... we could use a story like that. We are due.
Zombo
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Zombo said:
Davis is going to light it up. We will get Hawk back, hopefully, to share the underneath stuff with Hartline, while Benji and Barny continue on their 1,000 yard plus paces. Pepper in some Terrelle Pryor and we are going to be just a pass-happy machine the rest of the way. Not like we have a running game.
AD is going to light it up!
Throw in an intro to Glenn Winston and THAT's what I call a plan...
So.....with all the public issues relating to drinking, Goodel could add alcohol to Johnnys banned list at his own discretion...
And....Brett Favre?.....not the same in my eyes, at all.....biggest difference?.....Favre got it straight by year 2 and was playing well... .and the even bigger difference was that Farve was a really good player.....
Goodel does a lot of things that end up not sticking...
As for Favre... forgot about his rehab stint... painkillers as I recall.
I'm not a "hater" when it comes to him either, but I have an issue with the concept of a 1st-ballot, HOF QB who averaged over one INT per game and threw over 3 picks for every 5 TD throws. The guy was simply a loose-cannon gunslinger.
Twice in his career he had teammates explain to him that he did not have to do everything for the team to win: '96 by Reggie White and '09 with AP. The results were two of his better years and his only SB.
I think he prevented more SB victories than he won.
I'm not a "hater" when it comes to him either, but I have an issue with the concept of a 1st-ballot, HOF QB who averaged over one INT per game and threw over 3 picks for every 5 TD throws. The guy was simply a loose-cannon gunslinger.
Ha!....just one more thing we agree on....
His interception record will NEVER be broken....ever....
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Fuck, I'd forgotten about Glenn Winston. Why the fuck haven't we seen him get a carry at all? I mean, it's not like Crowell has been lighting it up, running for 150 100 75 50 yards and 3 2 1 TDs a first down every game.
Fuck, I'd forgotten about Glenn Winston. Why the fuck haven't we seen him get a carry at all? I mean, it's not like Crowell has been lighting it up, running for 150 100 75 50 yards and 3 2 1 TDs a first down every game.
I don't think Crow has had a 50 yard game in a long time. It is usually under 20 lately.
Zombo
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Zombo my Irish brother sober up! Half the fuckers on this board hate Johnny! Probably a third of them hate the fucking Browns!
WSS
Do they hate him, or are they frustrated with him?
I don't remember a big backlash against the kid until he spent his entire rookie year unprepared and uncommitted. Now he gets handed the opportunity of a lifetime and before the bye week is over he loses it by lying to the Browns.
I actually like the guy ... I just feel sorry for him. He is wasting his talents. Hoping he gets it turned around.
In the meantime, I hope Austin Davis takes this opportunity to show that he was a hidden gem ... we could use a story like that. We are due.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Do they hate him, or are they frustrated with him?
Right....I know I dont hate him.....i just hate the shit storm he has brought to this team and the fact that he hasnt performed....
And I hate both of those things.....a lot!....and the longer it goes on, the more I hate it.....
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Zombo my Irish brother sober up! Half the fuckers on this board hate Johnny! Probably a third of them hate the fucking Browns!
WSS
Do they hate him, or are they frustrated with him?
I don't remember a big backlash against the kid until he spent his entire rookie year unprepared and uncommitted. Now he gets handed the opportunity of a lifetime and before the bye week is over he loses it by lying to the Browns.
I actually like the guy ... I just feel sorry for him. He is wasting his talents. Hoping he gets it turned around.
In the meantime, I hope Austin Davis takes this opportunity to show that he was a hidden gem ... we could use a story like that. We are due.
Zombo
I have nothing against Austin Davis. It seems to me, though I see you disagree, that the Johnny hate begin early. I mean seriously we probably had dozens if not hundreds of posts about the completely meaningless money sign. At least hundreds about partying issues that were no more substantial. I remember one outrage being posted that there were pictures of him holding a champagne bottle without a shirt. On New Years Eve in Florida. Come on...Zombo said:
Do they hate him, or are they frustrated with him?
I don't remember a big backlash against the kid until he spent his entire rookie year unprepared and uncommitted. Now he gets handed the opportunity of a lifetime and before the bye week is over he loses it by lying to the Browns.
I actually like the guy ... I just feel sorry for him. He is wasting his talents. Hoping he gets it turned around.
In the meantime, I hope Austin Davis takes this opportunity to show that he was a hidden gem ... we could use a story like that. We are due.
Zombo
And I'll repeat he's done nothing this year that seems to me to have affected his progress or play.
I guess some of the fans here don't think it sounds ridiculous to say they like the kid and want to see him succeed but on the other hand don't want him to ever take the field.
TMZ outrageous behavior, if that's what anyone really thinks it is, wouldn't even be noticed if it were any other player.
I know I sound like a broken record but...
WSS
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All I knew about John before the draft was he won the Heisman. I never saw him play. Then I saw his douchey pro day, then I saw a few interviews and then I saw him free fall in the draft, and finally I saw the Browns pick him.......... All good, no opinion either way really because I had not seen him play, but if I'm being completely honest, I probably had the opinion he was a douchbag kind of a kid.
Then came the onslaught of Johnny Football Fans to this forum. They were loud, aggressive and douchbag like in their fanaticism of young John. They proclaimed him the best thing to ever happen to the Browns, and we were lucky to have him.
Well, that turned me against young John very quickly,...... Bad on my part? Maybe. Maybe not. However, I doubt I'm alone in feeling this way, and how I got there, and by that I mean BROWNS FANS, and not the fan-of-a-dude fans.
Then John proved my personal opinion of him correct by his actions on and off the field for the 2 years he's been a member of the Browns. I don't share the opinion of some, that a player can do whatever he wants off the field as long as he performs on it. John is John, and no stint at a Malibu rehab facility will fix that. He is who he is, and speaking for me, and me alone - I don't like him.
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