Austin Davis named starter against Bungles...
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Let's not forget, Bret Favre compared Davis to Kurt Warner and Tom Brady.
(Don't kill the messenger)
Zombo said:
Let's not forget, Bret Favre compared Davis to Kurt Warner and Tom Brady.
(Don't kill the messenger)
That would be great. I'm surprised you guys don't hate Brett Favre since he was a major league drunk and substance abuser when he played.
WSS
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Zombo said:
Let's not forget, Bret Favre compared Davis to Kurt Warner and Tom Brady.
(Don't kill the messenger)
And Hoyer...
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Zombo said:
Let's not forget, Bret Favre compared Davis to Kurt Warner and Tom Brady.
(Don't kill the messenger)
That would be great. I'm surprised you guys don't hate Brett Favre since he was a major league drunk and substance abuser when he played.
WSS
That would be great. I'm surprised you guys don't hate Brett Favre since he was a major league drunk and substance abuser when he played.
WSS
Does someone hate Johnny?
I'm not feeling that. Not amongst any reasonable posters.
Favre went into rehab in 1996 before the season and then played the best football of his life.
Hopefully Johnny does the same after his second stint.
Zombo
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Right, what I meant was if he's entered the program automatically by going to rehab, then he's on the Josh Gordon 'pee in a cup a day' program, and his drinking would presumably trigger an automatic suspension.
Right, what I meant was if he's entered the program automatically by going to rehab, then he's on the Josh Gordon 'pee in a cup a day' program, and his drinking would presumably trigger an automatic suspension.
True....if it was for alcohol.....But Im thinking the rolled up bill triggered a piss test....and, if he failed, a volunteer entry into rehab would prevent a suspension and/or fine......(as per NFL policy)
And, coincidentally, he happened to enter rehab just a few months later(and right after he said he didnt have a problem and wasnt changing for anyone).....(then said I have a problem and am entering myself into rehab)...thats a big change for no reason, dont ya think???
Now....if it was for something other than alcohol(coke? ecstacy?), then he may still be allowed to drink......BUT, the Commish also has the power to escalate things if the abuser shows signs of having control issues, etc.....
So.....with all the public issues relating to drinking, Goodel could add alcohol to Johnnys banned list at his own discretion...
This is a great post laced with concrete facts, many of which I was not aware of. I work everyday with addicts, and I know their behavior. If I was a betting man, I would think Johnny's problems are more severe than many think. In fact, I think it goes beyond alcohol. However, I have ZERO evidence to support this, and please know that I am not trying to spread rumors. I am merely speculating. I believe there was a video of Johnny holding a rolled up bill a year or two ago, and there aren't many reasons to have one of those besides the obvious.
The most glaring evidence of Johnny's addictive behavior came from his recent suspension.
Again, this is all speculation, and I could be ass wrong (as usual, hehe), but I see a lot of behavior in Johnny that I have witnessed in many others like him.
We're speaking the same language.....and the rolled bill is the key......
And....Brett Favre?.....not the same in my eyes, at all.....biggest difference?.....Favre got it straight by year 2 and was playing well... .and the even bigger difference was that Farve was a really good player.....
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Mark O-"Can we just get a QB that wins for christs sake?"
LOL-I thought you said it was the defense.
jiggins-great post and spot on in my opinion coming from a similar working background before retirement.
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Zombo said:
Yes, Brian Hoyer, who is 14-8 with some mediocre teams the past three years.
Zombo
Exactly. Why some/most people cant, or simply won't see this is beyond me........... I guess they're too busy logging on to PFF to read all about our #2 ranked o-line. LMAO
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Zombo said:
Yes, Brian Hoyer, who is 14-8 with some mediocre teams the past three years.
Zombo
Exactly. Why some/most people cant, or simply won't see this is beyond me........... I guess they're too busy logging on to PFF to read all about our #2 ranked o-line. LMAO
Exactly. Why some/most people cant, or simply won't see this is beyond me........... I guess they're too busy logging on to PFF to read all about our #2 ranked o-line. LMAO
"According to our calculations, the Browns have the best o-line on a Tuesday evening under overcast conditions." *adjusts bifocals*
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That would be great. I'm surprised you guys don't hate Brett Favre since he was a major league drunk and substance abuser when he played.
WSS
Does someone hate Johnny?
I'm not feeling that. Not amongst any reasonable posters.
Favre went into rehab in 1996 before the season and then played the best football of his life.
Hopefully Johnny does the same after his second stint.
Zombo
Zombo my Irish brother sober up! Half the fuckers on this board hate Johnny! Probably a third of them hate the Browns! At least that's how it seems.Zombo said:
Does someone hate Johnny?
I'm not feeling that. Not amongst any reasonable posters.
Favre went into rehab in 1996 before the season and then played the best football of his life.
Hopefully Johnny does the same after his second stint.
Zombo
WSS
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While you guys are debating how this effects Johnny and what defines a fan boy ....
I just picked up Austin Davis and both my fantasy teams.
I think he may start for my playoff bound Coon Dawgs over my other QB ... Brian Hoyer.
Davis is going to light it up. We will get Hawk back, hopefully, to share the underneath stuff with Hartline, while Benji and Barny continue on their 1,000 yard plus paces. Pepper in some Terrelle Pryor and we are going to be just a pass-happy machine the rest of the way. Not like we have a running game.
AD is going to light it up!
Zombo
Zombo said:
Davis is going to light it up. We will get Hawk back, hopefully, to share the underneath stuff with Hartline, while Benji and Barny continue on their 1,000 yard plus paces. Pepper in some Terrelle Pryor and we are going to be just a pass-happy machine the rest of the way. Not like we have a running game.
AD is going to light it up!
Throw in an intro to Glenn Winston and THAT's what I call a plan...
So.....with all the public issues relating to drinking, Goodel could add alcohol to Johnnys banned list at his own discretion...
And....Brett Favre?.....not the same in my eyes, at all.....biggest difference?.....Favre got it straight by year 2 and was playing well... .and the even bigger difference was that Farve was a really good player.....
Goodel does a lot of things that end up not sticking...
As for Favre... forgot about his rehab stint... painkillers as I recall.
I'm not a "hater" when it comes to him either, but I have an issue with the concept of a 1st-ballot, HOF QB who averaged over one INT per game and threw over 3 picks for every 5 TD throws. The guy was simply a loose-cannon gunslinger.
Twice in his career he had teammates explain to him that he did not have to do everything for the team to win: '96 by Reggie White and '09 with AP. The results were two of his better years and his only SB.
I think he prevented more SB victories than he won.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Fuck, I'd forgotten about Glenn Winston. Why the fuck haven't we seen him get a carry at all? I mean, it's not like Crowell has been lighting it up, running for 150 100 75 50 yards and 3 2 1 TDs a first down every game.
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Zombo my Irish brother sober up! Half the fuckers on this board hate Johnny! Probably a third of them hate the Browns! At least that's how it seems.Zombo said:
Does someone hate Johnny?
I'm not feeling that. Not amongst any reasonable posters.
Favre went into rehab in 1996 before the season and then played the best football of his life.
Hopefully Johnny does the same after his second stint.
Zombo
WSS
Zombo my Irish brother sober up! Half the fuckers on this board hate Johnny! Probably a third of them hate the fucking Browns!
WSS
Do they hate him, or are they frustrated with him?
I don't remember a big backlash against the kid until he spent his entire rookie year unprepared and uncommitted. Now he gets handed the opportunity of a lifetime and before the bye week is over he loses it by lying to the Browns.
I actually like the guy ... I just feel sorry for him. He is wasting his talents. Hoping he gets it turned around.
In the meantime, I hope Austin Davis takes this opportunity to show that he was a hidden gem ... we could use a story like that. We are due.
Zombo
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Zombo said:
Davis is going to light it up. We will get Hawk back, hopefully, to share the underneath stuff with Hartline, while Benji and Barny continue on their 1,000 yard plus paces. Pepper in some Terrelle Pryor and we are going to be just a pass-happy machine the rest of the way. Not like we have a running game.
AD is going to light it up!
Throw in an intro to Glenn Winston and THAT's what I call a plan...
So.....with all the public issues relating to drinking, Goodel could add alcohol to Johnnys banned list at his own discretion...
And....Brett Favre?.....not the same in my eyes, at all.....biggest difference?.....Favre got it straight by year 2 and was playing well... .and the even bigger difference was that Farve was a really good player.....
Goodel does a lot of things that end up not sticking...
As for Favre... forgot about his rehab stint... painkillers as I recall.
I'm not a "hater" when it comes to him either, but I have an issue with the concept of a 1st-ballot, HOF QB who averaged over one INT per game and threw over 3 picks for every 5 TD throws. The guy was simply a loose-cannon gunslinger.
Twice in his career he had teammates explain to him that he did not have to do everything for the team to win: '96 by Reggie White and '09 with AP. The results were two of his better years and his only SB.
I think he prevented more SB victories than he won.
I'm not a "hater" when it comes to him either, but I have an issue with the concept of a 1st-ballot, HOF QB who averaged over one INT per game and threw over 3 picks for every 5 TD throws. The guy was simply a loose-cannon gunslinger.
Ha!....just one more thing we agree on....
His interception record will NEVER be broken....ever....
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Fuck, I'd forgotten about Glenn Winston. Why the fuck haven't we seen him get a carry at all? I mean, it's not like Crowell has been lighting it up, running for 150 100 75 50 yards and 3 2 1 TDs a first down every game.
Fuck, I'd forgotten about Glenn Winston. Why the fuck haven't we seen him get a carry at all? I mean, it's not like Crowell has been lighting it up, running for 150 100 75 50 yards and 3 2 1 TDs a first down every game.
I don't think Crow has had a 50 yard game in a long time. It is usually under 20 lately.
Zombo
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Zombo my Irish brother sober up! Half the fuckers on this board hate Johnny! Probably a third of them hate the fucking Browns!
WSS
Do they hate him, or are they frustrated with him?
I don't remember a big backlash against the kid until he spent his entire rookie year unprepared and uncommitted. Now he gets handed the opportunity of a lifetime and before the bye week is over he loses it by lying to the Browns.
I actually like the guy ... I just feel sorry for him. He is wasting his talents. Hoping he gets it turned around.
In the meantime, I hope Austin Davis takes this opportunity to show that he was a hidden gem ... we could use a story like that. We are due.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Do they hate him, or are they frustrated with him?
Right....I know I dont hate him.....i just hate the shit storm he has brought to this team and the fact that he hasnt performed....
And I hate both of those things.....a lot!....and the longer it goes on, the more I hate it.....
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Zombo my Irish brother sober up! Half the fuckers on this board hate Johnny! Probably a third of them hate the fucking Browns!
WSS
Do they hate him, or are they frustrated with him?
I don't remember a big backlash against the kid until he spent his entire rookie year unprepared and uncommitted. Now he gets handed the opportunity of a lifetime and before the bye week is over he loses it by lying to the Browns.
I actually like the guy ... I just feel sorry for him. He is wasting his talents. Hoping he gets it turned around.
In the meantime, I hope Austin Davis takes this opportunity to show that he was a hidden gem ... we could use a story like that. We are due.
Zombo
I have nothing against Austin Davis. It seems to me, though I see you disagree, that the Johnny hate begin early. I mean seriously we probably had dozens if not hundreds of posts about the completely meaningless money sign. At least hundreds about partying issues that were no more substantial. I remember one outrage being posted that there were pictures of him holding a champagne bottle without a shirt. On New Years Eve in Florida. Come on...Zombo said:
Do they hate him, or are they frustrated with him?
I don't remember a big backlash against the kid until he spent his entire rookie year unprepared and uncommitted. Now he gets handed the opportunity of a lifetime and before the bye week is over he loses it by lying to the Browns.
I actually like the guy ... I just feel sorry for him. He is wasting his talents. Hoping he gets it turned around.
In the meantime, I hope Austin Davis takes this opportunity to show that he was a hidden gem ... we could use a story like that. We are due.
Zombo
And I'll repeat he's done nothing this year that seems to me to have affected his progress or play.
I guess some of the fans here don't think it sounds ridiculous to say they like the kid and want to see him succeed but on the other hand don't want him to ever take the field.
TMZ outrageous behavior, if that's what anyone really thinks it is, wouldn't even be noticed if it were any other player.
I know I sound like a broken record but...
WSS
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All I knew about John before the draft was he won the Heisman. I never saw him play. Then I saw his douchey pro day, then I saw a few interviews and then I saw him free fall in the draft, and finally I saw the Browns pick him.......... All good, no opinion either way really because I had not seen him play, but if I'm being completely honest, I probably had the opinion he was a douchbag kind of a kid.
Then came the onslaught of Johnny Football Fans to this forum. They were loud, aggressive and douchbag like in their fanaticism of young John. They proclaimed him the best thing to ever happen to the Browns, and we were lucky to have him.
Well, that turned me against young John very quickly,...... Bad on my part? Maybe. Maybe not. However, I doubt I'm alone in feeling this way, and how I got there, and by that I mean BROWNS FANS, and not the fan-of-a-dude fans.
Then John proved my personal opinion of him correct by his actions on and off the field for the 2 years he's been a member of the Browns. I don't share the opinion of some, that a player can do whatever he wants off the field as long as he performs on it. John is John, and no stint at a Malibu rehab facility will fix that. He is who he is, and speaking for me, and me alone - I don't like him.
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Fuck, I'd forgotten about Glenn Winston. Why the fuck haven't we seen him get a carry at all? I mean, it's not like Crowell has been lighting it up, running for 150 100 75 50 yards and 3 2 1 TDs a first down every game.
Fuck, I'd forgotten about Glenn Winston. Why the fuck haven't we seen him get a carry at all? I mean, it's not like Crowell has been lighting it up, running for 150 100 75 50 yards and 3 2 1 TDs a first down every game.
I honestly thought we'd have seen him last week. Not sure why we did not.
Zombo said:
Do they hate him, or are they frustrated with him?
I don't remember a big backlash against the kid until he spent his entire rookie year unprepared and uncommitted.
Po-lar-i-za-tion... that and the need to label those that disagree... labelling being a lot easier than understanding.
The route to being labelled a hater started Day 1 of the draft. To complete Step 1 all you had to do was not love the pick.
Step 2 was equally easy... simply predict that Hoyer would start Game 1 and have the audacity to defend your prediction. Ditto for McCown...
Step 3 was easiest of all... simply be right about step 2.... twice... Did not even have to rub it in.
Oddest thing of all about the hater label is its indelibility.
Even recognizing Hoyer's 2014 downward spiral and the need to make a change...
Even giving credit for the development to date in 2015... until the Bye week.
That hater stink just won't come off... maybe tomato juice?
I know I sound like a broken record but...
In that a broken record "skips" and every time to claim to restate what you said you skip the part where JM lied?
Have I mentioned that I love vinyl?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Fuck, I'd forgotten about Glenn Winston. Why the fuck haven't we seen him get a carry at all? I mean, it's not like Crowell has been lighting it up, running for 150 100 75 50 yards and 3 2 1 TDs a first down every game.
I honestly thought we'd have seen him last week. Not sure why we did not.
Zombo said:
Do they hate him, or are they frustrated with him?
I don't remember a big backlash against the kid until he spent his entire rookie year unprepared and uncommitted.
Po-lar-i-za-tion... that and the need to label those that disagree... labelling being a lot easier than understanding.
The route to being labelled a hater started Day 1 of the draft. To complete Step 1 all you had to do was not love the pick.
Step 2 was equally easy... simply predict that Hoyer would start Game 1 and have the audacity to defend your prediction. Ditto for McCown...
Step 3 was easiest of all... simply be right about step 2.... twice... Did not even have to rub it in.
Oddest thing of all about the hater label is its indelibility.
Even recognizing Hoyer's 2014 downward spiral and the need to make a change...
Even giving credit for the development to date in 2015... until the Bye week.
That hater stink just won't come off... maybe tomato juice?
I know I sound like a broken record but...
In that a broken record "skips" and every time to claim to restate what you said you skip the part where JM lied?
Have I mentioned that I love vinyl?
Yes he lied about bullshit. He shouldn't have but oh well. Probably worth being sat down for Monday Night Football.I honestly thought we'd have seen him last week. Not sure why we did not.
Po-lar-i-za-tion... that and the need to label those that disagree... labelling being a lot easier than understanding.
The route to being labelled a hater started Day 1 of the draft. To complete Step 1 all you had to do was not love the pick.
Step 2 was equally easy... simply predict that Hoyer would start Game 1 and have the audacity to defend your prediction. Ditto for McCown...
Step 3 was easiest of all... simply be right about step 2.... twice... Did not even have to rub it in.
Oddest thing of all about the hater label is its indelibility.
Even recognizing Hoyer's 2014 downward spiral and the need to make a change...
Even giving credit for the development to date in 2015... until the Bye week.
That hater stink just won't come off... maybe tomato juice?
In that a broken record "skips" and every time to claim to restate what you said you skip the part where JM lied?
Have I mentioned that I love vinyl?
Of course labeling is easier than understanding. I'm too lazy but if you'd care to go back over the last couple years and count up the numbers of Johnny fucktard or Johnny clipboard or Johnny shithead or whatever the fuck the, uh, fans have been using.
Fanboy, faggots or haters. Not the first time these labels have been used.
And as I've said this is just a culmination of pets apparent distaste for the guy. Most quarterback busts play their way out of a job.
And though this isn't the spot for it, vinyl sucks and those that love it are just being stubborn Luddites.
But I still love you tour.
WSS
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ps when I brought up the fact that many of these guys supported insubordination when it was Saint Bernard Flugels went ballistic on me!
WSS
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