Jonathan Paul Manziel
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The Browns were staying at my hotel. Johnny checked in a night early (Sat. Night) and I was there to witness it. When his Browns career is over I will share the story.
I don't want to add to the TMZ-like rumors and innuendos about this kid. He's a young man and sometimes we forget he's a real person.
I would start him over Davis, being demoted to third string for a nationally televised game was enough of a punishment.
Zombo
Zombo said:
The Browns were staying at my hotel. Johnny checked in a night early (Sat. Night) and I was there to witness it. When his Browns career is over I will share the story.
I don't want to add to the TMZ-like rumors and innuendos about this kid. He's a young man and sometimes we forget he's a real person.
I would start him over Davis, being demoted to third string for a nationally televised game was enough of a punishment.
Zombo
I was about to hear this story I think but then got swayed into another discussion. I still want to hear it
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Zombo said:
The Browns were staying at my hotel. Johnny checked in a night early (Sat. Night) and I was there to witness it. When his Browns career is over I will share the story.
I don't want to add to the TMZ-like rumors and innuendos about this kid. He's a young man and sometimes we forget he's a real person.
I would start him over Davis, being demoted to third string for a nationally televised game was enough of a punishment.
Zombo
I know the story and if anyone wants to paypal my charity account $50, I'll share the story privately with anyone who pays for it.
I know the story and if anyone wants to paypal my charity account $50, I'll share the story privately with anyone who pays for it.
If you don't tell the story someone may start spreading rumors about You and Z and Johnny together with a sheep or something.
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If you don't tell the story someone may start spreading rumors about You and Z and Johnny together with a sheep or something.
Rumors?
Don't be naive.
WSS
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If you don't tell the story someone may start spreading rumors about You and Z and Johnny together with a sheep or something.
Rumors?
Don't be naive.
WSS
Rumors?
Don't be naive.
WSS
HA!!
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If you don't tell the story someone may start spreading rumors about You and Z and Johnny together with a sheep or something.
I wasn't even in Cleveland this past weekend...but I know the story and figure since Z doesn't want to share it yet...I can make a few bucks for my charity fund in memory of my mom. If someone is willing to pay, I'll share the story.
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If you don't tell the story someone may start spreading rumors about You and Z and Johnny together with a sheep or something.
I wasn't even in Cleveland this past weekend...but I know the story and figure since Z doesn't want to share it yet...I can make a few bucks for my charity fund in memory of my mom. If someone is willing to pay, I'll share the story.
I wasn't even in Cleveland this past weekend...but I know the story and figure since Z doesn't want to share it yet...I can make a few bucks for my charity fund in memory of my mom. If someone is willing to pay, I'll share the story.
If you tell it, then it would be hearsay.....disallowable. We need to hear it from the horse's mouth.....or the sheep's ass.
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Zombo said:
Can't do anything until April, no?
A lot can change in six months.
Z
March, Z- I posted this in another thread. MHO Pettine, Johnny, or Farmer are gone.
2016 significant dates:
January 17: Playoff teams' assistant coaches can be interviewed for head coaching positions until the end of divisional playoff games.
January 18: Deadline for underclassmen to enter the draft.
January 23: East-West Shrine Game, Tropicana Field, St. Petersburg, Florida.
January 24: Conference championship games.
January 30: Senior Bowl, Ladd-Peebles Stadium, Mobile, Alabama.
January 31: NFL Pro Bowl, Aloha Stadium, Honolulu, Hawaii. Assistant coaches participating in the Super Bowl can have a second interview for a head coaching job prior to the Super Bowl.
February 7: Super Bowl 50, Levi's Stadium, Santa Clara, California.
February 22: Franchise tag period starts
February 23-29: NFL Scouting Combine, Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Indiana
March 7: Franchise tag deadline, 4:00 p.m. ET.
March 12-15: Free agency negotiating period, starts noon ET. No contracts can be executed yet.
March 15: League Year and Free Agency Period begin at 4:00 p.m. ET, allowing teams to sign unrestricted free agents. Trading period begins.
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Zombo said:
Can't do anything until April, no?
A lot can change in six months.
Z
March, Z- I posted this in another thread. MHO Pettine, Johnny, or Farmer are gone.
2016 significant dates:
January 17: Playoff teams' assistant coaches can be interviewed for head coaching positions until the end of divisional playoff games.
January 18: Deadline for underclassmen to enter the draft.
January 23: East-West Shrine Game, Tropicana Field, St. Petersburg, Florida.
January 24: Conference championship games.
January 30: Senior Bowl, Ladd-Peebles Stadium, Mobile, Alabama.
January 31: NFL Pro Bowl, Aloha Stadium, Honolulu, Hawaii. Assistant coaches participating in the Super Bowl can have a second interview for a head coaching job prior to the Super Bowl.
February 7: Super Bowl 50, Levi's Stadium, Santa Clara, California.
February 22: Franchise tag period starts
February 23-29: NFL Scouting Combine, Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Indiana
March 7: Franchise tag deadline, 4:00 p.m. ET.
March 12-15: Free agency negotiating period, starts noon ET. No contracts can be executed yet.
March 15: League Year and Free Agency Period begin at 4:00 p.m. ET, allowing teams to sign unrestricted free agents. Trading period begins.
March, Z- I posted this in another thread. MHO Pettine, Johnny, or Farmer are gone.
2016 significant dates:
January 17: Playoff teams' assistant coaches can be interviewed for head coaching positions until the end of divisional playoff games.
January 18: Deadline for underclassmen to enter the draft.
January 23: East-West Shrine Game, Tropicana Field, St. Petersburg, Florida.
January 24: Conference championship games.
January 30: Senior Bowl, Ladd-Peebles Stadium, Mobile, Alabama.
January 31: NFL Pro Bowl, Aloha Stadium, Honolulu, Hawaii. Assistant coaches participating in the Super Bowl can have a second interview for a head coaching job prior to the Super Bowl.
February 7: Super Bowl 50, Levi's Stadium, Santa Clara, California.
February 22: Franchise tag period starts
February 23-29: NFL Scouting Combine, Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Indiana
March 7: Franchise tag deadline, 4:00 p.m. ET.
March 12-15: Free agency negotiating period, starts noon ET. No contracts can be executed yet.
March 15: League Year and Free Agency Period begin at 4:00 p.m. ET, allowing teams to sign unrestricted free agents. Trading period begins.
March 15. The Ides of March. Former Superbowl winner Julius Caesar would approve of this date as apropos of the Browns. LOL!
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A thought I do not remember seeing discussed anywhere.
Did the pressure of being named starter drive JM to party over the Bye week? Question rose out of reflecting upon what his father, IIRC, said long ago about JM drinking to deal with pressure.
Not offering the thought as an excuse, just exploring as a potential reason why he would break his word.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I think it's more about his sense of entitlement than pressure
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Maybe so, but it's important to try to discern the true cause.
If it is entitlement, then the path in house using benching and other humbling could ultimately work.
If it is pressure as a trigger, then outside help in the form of more rehab followed by continued support is the path.
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Maybe so, but it's important to try to discern the true cause.
If it is entitlement, then the path in house using benching and other humbling could ultimately work.
If it is pressure as a trigger, then outside help in the form of more rehab followed by continued support is the path.
I don't think that has much to do with it. I think the kid was handed a job he's been striving for for almost 2 years and was celebrating that promotion with his dumb ass friends in a club. He probably didn't think he was doing anything particularly wrong and paniced when somebody showed the video to the coach and realize the coach was taking it really seriously, so he made a bad decision to try and bullshit his way out of it.Maybe so, but it's important to try to discern the true cause.
If it is entitlement, then the path in house using benching and other humbling could ultimately work.
If it is pressure as a trigger, then outside help in the form of more rehab followed by continued support is the path.
I have told bullshit lies that I regretted the minute they came out of my mouth.
WSS
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WSS you are right one about Johnny. He's just a kid and he's always been just a kid. People need to realize that if they want to find fault in somebody all they have to do is look hard and long enough and they will find it in ANY person. Manziel will be called on, probably after halftime in the Bengals game. The Bengals are in first place and the only third string QB in the league with a chance in hell to beat them is John Manziel.
It will be a quick and painful fall from starting QB for Austin Davis. Hate all you want. This is Manziel's team, like it or shove it.
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Well Po it's hard to second-guess the coach.
None of us are privy to what goes on in the locker room so...
And we don't know which of the players are behind Johnny, which don't like him and which are scared to speak out against the coach who has the fire power to boot them at the end of the season.
Because I have to admit the head coach has to be the authority and if he loses that...
I wish I had more knowledge of what that ultimatum might have been but we don't. Still no matter what it was mishandled in my opinion to the detriment of the team.
I won't take the Bengals lightly until they have clinched the division but stranger things have happened.
If the team rallies and pounds the shit out of the Bengals Pet comes out smelling like a rose. If the Queen City kitties rip us to shreds he looks like an even bigger dick head.
Actually I think Pets best hope was letting Johnny finish out the season. The team does well and everybody forgets about the feud between coach and quarterback if the team fails he can always blame Manziel.
WSS
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It's not dissimilar to the dust up between Ezekiel Elliott and the coaches. Urban Meyer might have been pissed off and run the same damn game plan as he did against Michigan State. But he blinked and took another route now he and the running back are best pals and all forgotten.
WSS
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It's not dissimilar to the dust up between Ezekiel Elliott and the coaches. Urban Meyer might have been pissed off and run the same damn game plan as he did against Michigan State. But he blinked and took another route now he and the running back are best pals and all forgotten.
WSS
It's not dissimilar to the dust up between Ezekiel Elliott and the coaches. Urban Meyer might have been pissed off and run the same damn game plan as he did against Michigan State. But he blinked and took another route now he and the running back are best pals and all forgotten.
WSS
The difference is that Meyer is a HC NOT resistant to change or looking in a mirror & making adjustments. THOSE are big reasons he is the winner that he is.
Mike
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