Bart Scott says he hid in bathroom to avoid signing with Browns...
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"I used to be a Browns fan. Not so much anymore."
Well there's the quote Cysko.
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That's his problem. But acting as if browns fans shouldn't bitch about the shit sandwich the team is serving up is ridiculous.
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Point is that it does make him a better fan.
You are free to do as you wish but but the above is true.
WSS
Point is that it does make him a better fan.
Gotta agree....
I used to be a Browns fan. Not so much anymore. I'm not a delusional idiot like yourself who pretends you are some kind of better fan or person because you are rooting for and staying loyal to the worst franchise in the NFL. Let's say you had a favorite restaurant and the owners closed it down because they retired. The food was great and you loved the atmosphere. Then someone comes along and offers the old owners enough cash and buys the business from the old owners and reopens the restaurant...only now the food is horrible, the atmosphere canned and its just not any fun anymore. You're one of the morons who would keep going to that crappy restaurant and eating the same shit sandwich over and over again expecting it to taste better next time.
I think you are confusing patronage with fandom.....the restaurant analogy doesnt really fit, because people arent "fans" of restaurants in the same way that they are fans of sport.....they are patrons of restaurants....and when the product is bad, patrons stop patronizing......pretty simple, really....
And, based upon your comment.. "I used to be...." tells me you were just a patron of the Browns who should've moved on already....
Fans have a right to bitch...thats what being a fan is.....but once you become a hater, you have shed yourself of being a true fan.......because, by definition, a fan is supportive......and many fans choose to be more supportive than others....and they are not dumb asses for doing that...
Because the Browns have been with me for over 40 years now, I think of the team more like a lifelong friend or even a child......so here is MY analogy......
My girl was an excellent gymnast and I was her biggest fan.....cheered her on when she won and offered support when she lost.....lived and died with her at every meet....she was amazing, so usually I had a lot to cheer about....but she also had some break downs and bad competitions where she missed routines that she usually nailed.....bother me?...sure.....but I didnt get angry and hate her(duh)....i never booed her......I never felt like she "owed" me victories or let "me" down when she lost(even though I had invested a ton of $ and time in her).......and, even if she had been terrible....I would have still been her fan, supported her and never would have abandoned that...no matter how good or bad....
And I could apply this same thinking to a friend, acquaintance, family member....etc.....
So....to me THAT is fandom.....supporting & following something you care about.....and not having the expectation that you are owed something just because you do that......
And if you have the expectation that you ARE owed something, because of your support or $ spent, then you are back to really just being a patron.....
so , in my world, fans always support their team.....while patrons only support their team when there is a proper return for $ or time......
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Well said Mud. As a 9 year old I watched my Aggies beat the Longhorns in 1956 with our other Heisman winner, John David Crow. It was many a losing team and many head coaches before we beat them again as a 20 year old A&M Junior in 1967. I was never a quitter on my team and never became an non-fan. Doesn't work like that. Down here we call them bandwagon fans and T-shirt fans. They are quick to jump off the wagon and shuck the T-shirts when things go wrong. I still wear my Browns T that mik sent me when I play racquetball or go to the grocery store. 2-9 changes nothing once you become a real fan.
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Mud, could be a restaurant that went undefeated for three decades...
I can think of a few I'd like to have back:
- Gavi's - Willoughby. Simply the best Italian restaurant this side of the Atlantic, closed as a public restaurant years ago but still did parties.
- Kiefer's Tavern - Best Schnitzel I've ever had. Last time I was there Browns were MNF hosts and the car's tank got syphoned...
- Benny Shapiro's - Brookpark and Pearl... best Rubin on the West side and great Matzo Ball soup... tried to franchise and failed.
- Glenn's Restaurant - across from Deconis Hospital. Simple, home-cooked fare done right.
- The Stage House - Brecksville served family style IIRC.
- The York Inn - York and Pleasant Valley... where I learned as a child to love breaded veal cutlets... the Yankee chicken fried steak... the American schnitzel.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Mud, could be a restaurant that went undefeated for three decades...
I can think of a few I'd like to have back:
- Gavi's - Willoughby. Simply the best Italian restaurant this side of the Atlantic, closed as a public restaurant years ago but still did parties.
- Kiefer's Tavern - Best Schnitzel I've ever had. Last time I was there Browns were MNF hosts and the car's tank got syphoned...
- Benny Shapiro's - Brookpark and Pearl... best Rubin on the West side and great Matzo Ball soup... tried to franchise and failed.
- Glenn's Restaurant - across from Deconis Hospital. Simple, home-cooked fare done right.
- The Stage House - Brecksville served family style IIRC.
- The York Inn - York and Pleasant Valley... where I learned as a child to love breaded veal cutlets... the Yankee chicken fried steak... the American schnitzel.
Mud, could be a restaurant that went undefeated for three decades... ;)I can think of a few I'd like to have back:
- Gavi's - Willoughby. Simply the best Italian restaurant this side of the Atlantic, closed as a public restaurant years ago but still did parties.
- Kiefer's Tavern - Best Schnitzel I've ever had. Last time I was there Browns were MNF hosts and the car's tank got syphoned...
- Benny Shapiro's - Brookpark and Pearl... best Rubin on the West side and great Matzo Ball soup... tried to franchise and failed.
- Glenn's Restaurant - across from Deconis Hospital. Simple, home-cooked fare done right.
- The Stage House - Brecksville served family style IIRC.
- The York Inn - York and Pleasant Valley... where I learned as a child to love breaded veal cutlets... the Yankee chicken fried steak... the American schnitzel.
Are you trying to say that we have a brat steamed in beer here?.....lol
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Mud, could be a restaurant that went undefeated for three decades...
I can think of a few I'd like to have back:
- Gavi's - Willoughby. Simply the best Italian restaurant this side of the Atlantic, closed as a public restaurant years ago but still did parties.
- Kiefer's Tavern - Best Schnitzel I've ever had. Last time I was there Browns were MNF hosts and the car's tank got syphoned...
- Benny Shapiro's - Brookpark and Pearl... best Rubin on the West side and great Matzo Ball soup... tried to franchise and failed.
- Glenn's Restaurant - across from Deconis Hospital. Simple, home-cooked fare done right.
- The Stage House - Brecksville served family style IIRC.
- The York Inn - York and Pleasant Valley... where I learned as a child to love breaded veal cutlets... the Yankee chicken fried steak... the American schnitzel.
Mud, could be a restaurant that went undefeated for three decades...
I can think of a few I'd like to have back:
- Gavi's - Willoughby. Simply the best Italian restaurant this side of the Atlantic, closed as a public restaurant years ago but still did parties.
- Kiefer's Tavern - Best Schnitzel I've ever had. Last time I was there Browns were MNF hosts and the car's tank got syphoned...
- Benny Shapiro's - Brookpark and Pearl... best Rubin on the West side and great Matzo Ball soup... tried to franchise and failed.
- Glenn's Restaurant - across from Deconis Hospital. Simple, home-cooked fare done right.
- The Stage House - Brecksville served family style IIRC.
- The York Inn - York and Pleasant Valley... where I learned as a child to love breaded veal cutlets... the Yankee chicken fried steak... the American schnitzel.
Gavi's is now Sarah's in Pepper Pike/Solon I believe.. I went there last January.. Great food. But I like more of the Mom & Pop type places like Petty's or Davitino's... I grew up on the real deal Italian food.
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Point is that it does make him a better fan.
Gotta agree....
I used to be a Browns fan. Not so much anymore. I'm not a delusional idiot like yourself who pretends you are some kind of better fan or person because you are rooting for and staying loyal to the worst franchise in the NFL. Let's say you had a favorite restaurant and the owners closed it down because they retired. The food was great and you loved the atmosphere. Then someone comes along and offers the old owners enough cash and buys the business from the old owners and reopens the restaurant...only now the food is horrible, the atmosphere canned and its just not any fun anymore. You're one of the morons who would keep going to that crappy restaurant and eating the same shit sandwich over and over again expecting it to taste better next time.
I think you are confusing patronage with fandom.....the restaurant analogy doesnt really fit, because people arent "fans" of restaurants in the same way that they are fans of sport.....they are patrons of restaurants....and when the product is bad, patrons stop patronizing......pretty simple, really....
And, based upon your comment.. "I used to be...." tells me you were just a patron of the Browns who should've moved on already....
Fans have a right to bitch...thats what being a fan is.....but once you become a hater, you have shed yourself of being a true fan.......because, by definition, a fan is supportive......and many fans choose to be more supportive than others....and they are not dumb asses for doing that...
Because the Browns have been with me for over 40 years now, I think of the team more like a lifelong friend or even a child......so here is MY analogy......
My girl was an excellent gymnast and I was her biggest fan.....cheered her on when she won and offered support when she lost.....lived and died with her at every meet....she was amazing, so usually I had a lot to cheer about....but she also had some break downs and bad competitions where she missed routines that she usually nailed.....bother me?...sure.....but I didnt get angry and hate her(duh)....i never booed her......I never felt like she "owed" me victories or let "me" down when she lost(even though I had invested a ton of $ and time in her).......and, even if she had been terrible....I would have still been her fan, supported her and never would have abandoned that...no matter how good or bad....
And I could apply this same thinking to a friend, acquaintance, family member....etc.....
So....to me THAT is fandom.....supporting & following something you care about.....and not having the expectation that you are owed something just because you do that......
And if you have the expectation that you ARE owed something, because of your support or $ spent, then you are back to really just being a patron.....
so , in my world, fans always support their team.....while patrons only support their team when there is a proper return for $ or time......
Gotta agree....
I think you are confusing patronage with fandom.....the restaurant analogy doesnt really fit, because people arent "fans" of restaurants in the same way that they are fans of sport.....they are patrons of restaurants....and when the product is bad, patrons stop patronizing......pretty simple, really....
And, based upon your comment.. "I used to be...." tells me you were just a patron of the Browns who should've moved on already....
Fans have a right to bitch...thats what being a fan is.....but once you become a hater, you have shed yourself of being a true fan.......because, by definition, a fan is supportive......and many fans choose to be more supportive than others....and they are not dumb asses for doing that...
Because the Browns have been with me for over 40 years now, I think of the team more like a lifelong friend or even a child......so here is MY analogy......
My girl was an excellent gymnast and I was her biggest fan.....cheered her on when she won and offered support when she lost.....lived and died with her at every meet....she was amazing, so usually I had a lot to cheer about....but she also had some break downs and bad competitions where she missed routines that she usually nailed.....bother me?...sure.....but I didnt get angry and hate her(duh)....i never booed her......I never felt like she "owed" me victories or let "me" down when she lost(even though I had invested a ton of $ and time in her).......and, even if she had been terrible....I would have still been her fan, supported her and never would have abandoned that...no matter how good or bad....
And I could apply this same thinking to a friend, acquaintance, family member....etc.....
So....to me THAT is fandom.....supporting & following something you care about.....and not having the expectation that you are owed something just because you do that......
And if you have the expectation that you ARE owed something, because of your support or $ spent, then you are back to really just being a patron.....
so , in my world, fans always support their team.....while patrons only support their team when there is a proper return for $ or time......
Exactly...
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Mud, could be a restaurant that went undefeated for three decades...
I can think of a few I'd like to have back:
- Gavi's - Willoughby. Simply the best Italian restaurant this side of the Atlantic, closed as a public restaurant years ago but still did parties.
- Kiefer's Tavern - Best Schnitzel I've ever had. Last time I was there Browns were MNF hosts and the car's tank got syphoned...
- Benny Shapiro's - Brookpark and Pearl... best Rubin on the West side and great Matzo Ball soup... tried to franchise and failed.
- Glenn's Restaurant - across from Deconis Hospital. Simple, home-cooked fare done right.
- The Stage House - Brecksville served family style IIRC.
- The York Inn - York and Pleasant Valley... where I learned as a child to love breaded veal cutlets... the Yankee chicken fried steak... the American schnitzel.
Gavi's is now Sarah's in Pepper Pike/Solon I believe.. I went there last January.. Great food. But I like more of the Mom & Pop type places like Petty's or Davitino's... I grew up on the real deal Italian food.
Gavi's is now Sarah's in Pepper Pike/Solon I believe.. I went there last January.. Great food. But I like more of the Mom & Pop type places like Petty's or Davitino's... I grew up on the real deal Italian food.
I have to remember that then. Gavi's was run by the Gromelski's. Wife's name was Mary and she was of Italian heritage. Pretty sure the husband was not.
Their conversion of the old power house in Willoughby was inspired. And the great food was prepared by authentic Italian Chefs.
Rang in 2000 at their New Year's Eve party. May have been the last time I was there.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Gavi's is now Sarah's in Pepper Pike/Solon I believe.. I went there last January.. Great food. But I like more of the Mom & Pop type places like Petty's or Davitino's... I grew up on the real deal Italian food.
I have to remember that then. Gavi's was run by the Gromelski's. Wife's name was Mary and she was of Italian heritage. Pretty sure the husband was not.
Their conversion of the old power house in Willoughby was inspired. And the great food was prepared by authentic Italian Chefs.
Rang in 2000 at their New Year's Eve party. May have been the last time I was there.
I have to remember that then. Gavi's was run by the Gromelski's. Wife's name was Mary and she was of Italian heritage. Pretty sure the husband was not.
Their conversion of the old power house in Willoughby was inspired. And the great food was prepared by authentic Italian Chefs.
Rang in 2000 at their New Year's Eve party. May have been the last time I was there.
Yeah , I remember My sisters wedding rehearsal party there...2001,.. OMG.. we got toasted on wine... and had more of the same wine at My sisters reception.. Buehler Wines it was.. great stuff..
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Fart Scoot
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Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
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Lol...or bart scat?
Lol...or bart scat?
Barf Stats
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Fart Snott
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Oh goodness don't want to see what that looks like. Lol!
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The problem is that feeling is more prevalent than not. Who would want to play in Cleveland, unless they overpay.
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