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  • LondonBrown L Dedicated Conversation Starter Reacting Well Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    L LondonBrown wrote on last edited by
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    Brady Quinn on comms couldn't believe his eyes, why does O'Neil do these things?

    My knowledge of the game isn't detailed enough to know why he would do something that seems so daft.

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      OsirisO Osiris wrote on last edited by
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      Same reason they put Kruger and Bryant in coverage. O'Neil is an idiot. There is no justification for it.

      "I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta
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        MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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        Brady Quinn is a doofus...

        Look...OLBs have to cover....at least one on every play....thats what they do.....so if it's not Orchard, its gonna be Kruger or Armonty or Mingo....

        Everybodies popular choice is Mingo...but then you're playing your worst backer every play....so instead, we use Orchard, Kruger and Armonty more often...but ONE of ems gonna have to cover...

        And on the play in question?....Orchard had decent coverage, just gabbbed the guy....it happens...

        ....

        BQ is a dumbass and didnt understand defenses...THAT s why he sucked...

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          MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by Mudfly
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          you cant rush every backer every play....sheesh...

          olbs got 5 sacks today and we shut down the run....yet we have a thread about mis-using them???

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            Browns149B Browns149 wrote on last edited by
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            I said the same thing in the Tavern today, and someone says it happens all the time. Why, I don't know.

            "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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              Browns149B Browns149 wrote on last edited by
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              It may be true you can't rush every LB every play, but why is a LB covering a WR?

              Shouldn't the safety be covering the WR in the slot?

              "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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                MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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                not in zone...or a pic type situation...

                like I said, he had decent coverage anyway....its not like he was beaten for big yards or anything....LB's cover the middle...

                If we only used Orchrd, Kruger and Armonty to rush....then what?....Mingo does everything else???

                Its pretty stupid that people actually bitch like they WANT one dimensional Linebackers that can only rush the QB, but do nothing else......and dont like that the coach expects them to cover, play the run and tackle too....

                unbelievable....

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                • MudflyM Mudfly

                  you cant rush every backer every play....sheesh...

                  olbs got 5 sacks today and we shut down the run....yet we have a thread about mis-using them???

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                  RichiswhereR Richiswhere wrote on last edited by
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                  @mudfly said:

                  you cant rush every backer every play....sheesh...

                  olbs got 5 sacks today and we shut down the run....yet we have a thread about mis-using them???

                  If you are going to continually play Paul Kruger then you are misusing them.
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                    Z Zombo wrote on last edited by
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                    It happens. One of our OLBs gets isolated on a receiver, and more than half the time, it's not Mingo.

                    Brady Quinn built a career on reading defensive weaknesses, didnt he.

                    Oneil's defense had them held to 120 yards through 3 and a half quaters, and I think half of that was QB scrambles, so Im OK with giving him a one week pass.

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                      @mudfly said:

                      you cant rush every backer every play....sheesh...

                      olbs got 5 sacks today and we shut down the run....yet we have a thread about mis-using them???

                      If you are going to continually play Paul Kruger then you are misusing them.
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                      MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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                      @richiswhere said:

                      If you are going to continually play Paul Kruger then you are misusing them.

                      HA!....I couldnt agree more......

                      They've cut his snaps by about 30 per game and, for the first time, today Armonty played the most.....Kruger has 5 tackles and 2 sacks in the last 7 games....TODAY Armonty had 7 tackles and 2 sacks....one game...

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                        Brady Quinn on comms couldn't believe his eyes, why does O'Neil do these things?

                        My knowledge of the game isn't detailed enough to know why he would do something that seems so daft.

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                        Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on last edited by
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                        @londonbrown said:

                        Brady Quinn on comms couldn't believe his eyes, why does O'Neil do these things?

                        My knowledge of the game isn't detailed enough to know why he would do something that seems so daft.

                        LB's covering WR's happens more times than you may realize.

                        This is my first time listening to Brady Quinn call a game, I hope it was my last.

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                          Browns149B Browns149 wrote on last edited by
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                          Yeah Quinn was awful for sure.

                          "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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                            tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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                            I didn't see the play in question but I'd be interested to see what Orchards designation was.

                            Anyone have a screen shot?

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                              Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on last edited by
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                              If O'Neil would just stop misusing our linebackers

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                              • tiamat63T tiamat63

                                I didn't see the play in question but I'd be interested to see what Orchards designation was.

                                Anyone have a screen shot?

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                                Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on last edited by
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                                @tiamat63 said:

                                I didn't see the play in question but I'd be interested to see what Orchards designation was.

                                Anyone have a screen shot?

                                IIRC, the Browns were playing zone and Boldin ran a drag route on Orchard's side.
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                                  Opal312O Opal312 wrote on last edited by
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                                  I didn't hear Quinn thank God. I didn't see the game either. Red Zone makes me mad every week and none of the networks like the Browns so I Have to ask you guys. Can you tell me who got the sacks? Also, did we and will we blitz more? We are probably going to get the third pick in the draft. Do we go for Bosa?

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                                    Browns149B Browns149 wrote on last edited by Browns149
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                                    I've been watching the Oak vs. Den game tonight and Khalil Mack doesn't drop into coverage. He has 3 sacks so far and rushes the passer or plays the run on every play. Just sayin.

                                    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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                                      Browns149B Browns149 wrote on last edited by Browns149
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                                      Looks like Mack ended up with 6 tackles 5 were sacks and no passes defended

                                      "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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                                        I've been watching the Oak vs. Den game tonight and Khalil Mack doesn't drop into coverage. He has 3 sacks so far and rushes the passer or plays the run on every play. Just sayin.

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                                        B bringbackbrownie2 wrote on last edited by
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                                        @browns149 said:

                                        I've been watching the Oak vs. Den game tonight and Khalil Mack doesn't drop into coverage. He has 3 sacks so far and rushes the passer or plays the run on every play. Just sayin.

                                        Isn't Mack a defensive end / tackle? I thought we were only talking about LBs in coverage..

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                                          @browns149 said:

                                          I've been watching the Oak vs. Den game tonight and Khalil Mack doesn't drop into coverage. He has 3 sacks so far and rushes the passer or plays the run on every play. Just sayin.

                                          Isn't Mack a defensive end / tackle? I thought we were only talking about LBs in coverage..

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                                          MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by Mudfly
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                                          @bringbackbrownie2 said:

                                          Isn't Mack a defensive end / tackle? I thought we were only talking about LBs in coverage..

                                          No...he's an OLB....and a true 3 tool linebacker....and his team uses ALL the tools.....run stopper, coverage guy and pass rusher..

                                          @browns149 said:

                                          Looks like Mack ended up with 6 tackles 5 were sacks and no passes defended

                                          He covers a bit more than our guys......Mack has dropped into coverage 71 times....Orchard 70....Kruger 56....Armonty 32

                                          And Aldon Smith, the guy who's played opposite Mack, has only 28.....meaning Mack is their primary outside cover guy...

                                          So.....still falling on deaf ears.....and, again, more proof that our guys are asked to do the same as everybody elses guys

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