First Draft Pick Must be a QB - Paxton
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I like Goff over Lynch from limited I have seen of both.
If they decide to give up on Manziel, QB should be the pick. The question then is which one.
agreed. when you don't have a franchise QB in place and you have the first pick of the entire draft you don't get greedy and stockpile pix or have the luxury of drooling over Jadaveon Clowneys. safe odds say you take a shot at getting your franchise face, hit or miss, win or lose.
the alternative? spending 3 drafts worth of #1's to trade up to get the #1 overall in 2017 or 2018 ala RG3? yeah no thanks.
even if he ends up being Sam Bradford or Matt Stafford, or even Jamarcus or Ryan Lief >> when in Rome...and WHILE in Rome...you absolutely make the sacrifice to try to get your guy in place. too expensive a trip otherwise. the cost equates to the pain of being the 32nd team out of 32 other teams. get ur QB. then the blue chip luxury pieces come thereafter.
without a franchise QB, Calvin Johnsons, Adrian Petersons, Khalil Macks and JJ Watts are about the same as a Joe Thomas in terms of wins.
if it's Johnny so be it it's Johnny. and if that's the case spending a #1 on a QB just to back him up and get groomed for the (potential) future won't even hurt. it's just the single most important position in all mainstream sports. best case: would having two really be that bad? how about having none? the Browns franchise is worth about 1.5B. a mazzeroti with no driver isn't makin it anywhere fast.
What's up, Frisky?
if it's Johnny so be it it's Johnny. and if that's the case spending a #1 on a QB just to back him up and get groomed for the (potential) future won't even hurt.
You realize that if we draft a Senior QB, that he'll be the same age as JM?
If it's JM, it's JM... if it's not, then pray there's a worthy #1 QB on our board.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
We drafted a first round QB last year; he's played 5 games; people want to draft another because he's not yet perfect?
Give me a break.
At *best* a guy like Lynch is a project. Given how many teams are going to be drafting a QB - two, us and SF - I think we can hold fire and get him later. There's absolutely no need to jizz all over our draft because a guy is 6'7"
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Weeden played 23 games and started 20 games for us in his 2 years.
Manziel is going to gave played 15 games and started 9 games by the end of the year in his 2 years with us.
In 2 years weeden sucked but had some good games.
In 2 years manziel has sucked but had a good game so far. Has been to rehab, openly admitted to not taking his rookie year seriously, been benched for team discipline, has been a constant source of distraction in the organization, has been proven to be dishonest.
Unless he develops the abilty to fly and scores us 5 rushing touchdowns and 15 passing touchdowns in the next few games i don't really give a shit it's time to move on. And as a browns fan you should be happy that we get another chance at a franchise qb that actually garners some respect instead of mockery.
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Weeden played 23 games and started 20 games for us in his 2 years.
Manziel is going to gave played 15 games and started 9 games by the end of the year in his 2 years with us.
In 2 years weeden sucked but had some good games.
In 2 years manziel has sucked but had a good game so far. Has been to rehab, openly admitted to not taking his rookie year seriously, been benched for team discipline, has been a constant source of distraction in the organization, has been proven to be dishonest.
Unless he develops the abilty to fly and scores us 5 rushing touchdowns and 15 passing touchdowns in the next few games i don't really give a shit it's time to move on. And as a browns fan you should be happy that we get another chance at a franchise qb that actually garners some respect instead of mockery.
Weeden played 23 games and started 20 games for us in his 2 years.
Manziel is going to gave played 15 games and started 9 games by the end of the year in his 2 years with us.
In 2 years weeden sucked but had some good games.
In 2 years manziel has sucked but had a good game so far. Has been to rehab, openly admitted to not taking his rookie year seriously, been benched for team discipline, has been a constant source of distraction in the organization, has been proven to be dishonest.
Unless he develops the abilty to fly and scores us 5 rushing touchdowns and 15 passing touchdowns in the next few games i don't really give a shit it's time to move on. And as a browns fan you should be happy that we get another chance at a franchise qb that actually garners some respect instead of mockery.
Oh, I'm sorry.
For a second I thought you had a point.
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Weeden played 23 games and started 20 games for us in his 2 years.
Manziel is going to gave played 15 games and started 9 games by the end of the year in his 2 years with us.
In 2 years weeden sucked but had some good games.
In 2 years manziel has sucked but had a good game so far. Has been to rehab, openly admitted to not taking his rookie year seriously, been benched for team discipline, has been a constant source of distraction in the organization, has been proven to be dishonest.
Unless he develops the abilty to fly and scores us 5 rushing touchdowns and 15 passing touchdowns in the next few games i don't really give a shit it's time to move on. And as a browns fan you should be happy that we get another chance at a franchise qb that actually garners some respect instead of mockery.
Weeden played 23 games and started 20 games for us in his 2 years.
In 2 years weeden sucked but had some good games.
How many good games? One? Two? Buffalo he pulled out a win, assisted by a couple of D/ST touchdowns. Aside from that, he completed about 55% of his passes, and threw more picks than TDs (~70 QBR)
Manziel is going to gave played 15 games and started 9 games by the end of the year in his 2 years with us.
In 2 years manziel has sucked but had a good game so far. Has been to rehab, openly admitted to not taking his rookie year seriously, been benched for team discipline, has been a constant source of distraction in the organization, has been proven to be dishonest.
Manziel has had ups and downs, but this year, he's at 61%, 6TDs to 3 INTs (~89 QBR). Plus 2 wins from 4 starts to boot. I'm not saying he's definitely the guy, but let's maybe give him more than 6 games to figure it out before calling him a bust?
Unless he develops the abilty to fly and scores us 5 rushing touchdowns and 15 passing touchdowns in the next few games i don't really give a shit it's time to move on. And as a browns fan you should be happy that we get another chance at a franchise qb that actually garners some respect instead of mockery.
As a browns fan, I'm pissed off that we're picking near the top of the draft. To proclaim yourself happy at such a low win total garners yourself nothing but mockery.
As a browns fan, I'm hoping to see a solid running game to take a little pressure off of our QB, I'm hoping to see a defense that means we don't have to score 30+ to win a game, and I'm hoping to see a competitive team.
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We drafted a first round QB last year; he's played 5 games; people want to draft another because he's not yet perfect?
Give me a break.
At *best* a guy like Lynch is a project. Given how many teams are going to be drafting a QB - two, us and SF - I think we can hold fire and get him later. There's absolutely no need to jizz all over our draft because a guy is 6'7"
We drafted a first round QB last year; he's played 5 games; people want to draft another because he's not yet perfect?
Give me a break.
At *best* a guy like Lynch is a project. Given how many teams are going to be drafting a QB - two, us and SF - I think we can hold fire and get him later. There's absolutely no need to jizz all over our draft because a guy is 6'7"
I think any draft talk is premature at this point anyways. Johnny has 3 games left (if he hopefully stays healthy on the field and doesn't get stupid off of it) this year against 3 teams playing for the playoffs, 2 of them are in the top 5 toughest places to play in Seattle and KC. My hope for these last 3 is that he plays well in each of them (regardless of outcome) but looks like an NFL QB and puts some points on the board in each game and we play each team tough till the end. If that happens, I don't see us taking a QB next year in the early round which would be better for the team in the long run anyways.
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Gipper I kind of like "Fanboy" in honor of those of us who followed him over.
OK, Ok, then Lightning Lad or Tiagra (since many think he gets the whole team up for games).
Gipper I kind of like "Fanboy" in honor of those of us who followed him over.
OK, Ok, then Lightning Lad or Tiagra (since many think he gets the whole team up for games).
Though it is not on the list above, given his size wouldn't "Ant Man" be a bit apropos?
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Is Dan McGwire still available?
WSS
Is Dan McGwire still available?
WSS
His clone and spiritual successor, Ryan Mallet, was just picked up by the Ravens.
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Browns RB from Alabama-Richardson -Check
Browns Heisman Winner - Manziel -Check
Browns will not draft Heisman RB from Alabama -Check
Browns too gunshy?? -Check
Browns RB from Alabama-Richardson -Check
Browns Heisman Winner - Manziel -Check
Browns will not draft Heisman RB from Alabama -Check
Browns too gunshy?? -Check
No....not necessarily........but they would not do at until round 2 if they do consider him.
I expect 2-3 other RBs to grade out better than he. Eliot, Fournette at least.
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Gipper I kind of like "Fanboy" in honor of those of us who followed him over.
OK, Ok, then Lightning Lad or Tiagra (since many think he gets the whole team up for games).
Though it is not on the list above, given his size wouldn't "Ant Man" be a bit apropos?
Though it is not on the list above, given his size wouldn't "Ant Man" be a bit apropos?
Like it.
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Weeden played 23 games and started 20 games for us in his 2 years.
In 2 years weeden sucked but had some good games.
How many good games? One? Two? Buffalo he pulled out a win, assisted by a couple of D/ST touchdowns. Aside from that, he completed about 55% of his passes, and threw more picks than TDs (~70 QBR)
Manziel is going to gave played 15 games and started 9 games by the end of the year in his 2 years with us.
In 2 years manziel has sucked but had a good game so far. Has been to rehab, openly admitted to not taking his rookie year seriously, been benched for team discipline, has been a constant source of distraction in the organization, has been proven to be dishonest.
Manziel has had ups and downs, but this year, he's at 61%, 6TDs to 3 INTs (~89 QBR). Plus 2 wins from 4 starts to boot. I'm not saying he's definitely the guy, but let's maybe give him more than 6 games to figure it out before calling him a bust?
Unless he develops the abilty to fly and scores us 5 rushing touchdowns and 15 passing touchdowns in the next few games i don't really give a shit it's time to move on. And as a browns fan you should be happy that we get another chance at a franchise qb that actually garners some respect instead of mockery.
As a browns fan, I'm pissed off that we're picking near the top of the draft. To proclaim yourself happy at such a low win total garners yourself nothing but mockery.
As a browns fan, I'm hoping to see a solid running game to take a little pressure off of our QB, I'm hoping to see a defense that means we don't have to score 30+ to win a game, and I'm hoping to see a competitive team.
Weeden played 23 games and started 20 games for us in his 2 years.
In 2 years weeden sucked but had some good games.
How many good games? One? Two? Buffalo he pulled out a win, assisted by a couple of D/ST touchdowns. Aside from that, he completed about 55% of his passes, and threw more picks than TDs (~70 QBR)
Manziel is going to gave played 15 games and started 9 games by the end of the year in his 2 years with us.
In 2 years manziel has sucked but had a good game so far. Has been to rehab, openly admitted to not taking his rookie year seriously, been benched for team discipline, has been a constant source of distraction in the organization, has been proven to be dishonest.
Manziel has had ups and downs, but this year, he's at 61%, 6TDs to 3 INTs (~89 QBR). Plus 2 wins from 4 starts to boot. I'm not saying he's definitely the guy, but let's maybe give him more than 6 games to figure it out before calling him a bust?
Unless he develops the abilty to fly and scores us 5 rushing touchdowns and 15 passing touchdowns in the next few games i don't really give a shit it's time to move on. And as a browns fan you should be happy that we get another chance at a franchise qb that actually garners some respect instead of mockery.
As a browns fan, I'm pissed off that we're picking near the top of the draft. To proclaim yourself happy at such a low win total garners yourself nothing but mockery.
As a browns fan, I'm hoping to see a solid running game to take a little pressure off of our QB, I'm hoping to see a defense that means we don't have to score 30+ to win a game, and I'm hoping to see a competitive team.
1st point nobody complained when him an josh gordon lit it up for a record. Weeden's problem was always his decision making skills and the fact his ball was always the fastball no touch.(except the weeden flip lol too much touch) I see the same problematic decision making skills and less arm talent in manziel.
2nd point at the end of this year he has had 32 games on this team to prove he is the starter 40 if you count preseason (which you should when you are EVALUATING TALENT) Face the facts he couldn't beat out mccown until mccown was injured he barely beats austin davis. take away the titans game and he has a 68.1 QBR. regarding his first season he just doesn't get a pass because he decided to screw off that 16 games owed to the browns in my opinion and he hasn't delivered this season. it may take him 3,4 maybe even 5 years to get his mind right and play football but lets break that down a little more lets says it take him 3 years that means not only this season but next season you are willing to give up just for him to mature....that is not acceptable at all...
I wanted manziel to be the guy. I wanted him to be the face of the franchise but frankly we as browns fans deserve better than the effort he has put forth and if he is giving 110% effort that is even worse. End of the day unless he lights it up crazy against 3 playoff caliber teams he doesn't deserve another opportunity.
3rd point. no I'm not happy but we can look ahead at the silver lining and see the advantages of a losing season just ask the colts about that 2011 season. our running game improved immensely after we simplified our offense especially when we ran more power. zone is for weak lines and High Vision/Smart RB. power is for strong lines and Unintelligent/Low Vision RB. Our defense looked fine Sunday mostly due to how bad the 49ers were but we also ran less complex reaction plays and more designed plays less audibles and more playing. Simpleness is quick and efficient and has less error and quick reactions. complexity is cumbersome and bulky and slower. Not to say a defense cant operate without both. but complex wild plays are seldom used and designed to surprise your opponent. we built our defense off of it and have looked a step slower all year. and tackling fundamentals apparently isn't taught anymore.
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Browns RB from Alabama-Richardson -Check
Browns Heisman Winner - Manziel -Check
Browns will not draft Heisman RB from Alabama -Check
Browns too gunshy?? -Check
No....not necessarily........but they would not do at until round 2 if they do consider him.
I expect 2-3 other RBs to grade out better than he. Eliot, Fournette at least.
No....not necessarily........but they would not do at until round 2 if they do consider him.
I expect 2-3 other RBs to grade out better than he. Eliot, Fournette at least.
If Fornette were coming out, which he is not, then I would agree. Fornette is a Soph.
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christian mccaffrey would be my number 1 think as i like the backs who can receive. little more versatility is nice. any of the three would be good though if we included next year.
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No....not necessarily........but they would not do at until round 2 if they do consider him.
I expect 2-3 other RBs to grade out better than he. Eliot, Fournette at least.
If Fornette were coming out, which he is not, then I would agree. Fornette is a Soph.
If Fornette were coming out, which he is not, then I would agree. Fornette is a Soph.
Right, sorry. Nevertheless, services I have looked at still have Eliot as the best to come out. Henry is rated borderline low 1st/high 2d pick.
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Is Dan McGwire still available?
WSS
His clone and spiritual successor, Ryan Mallet, was just picked up by the Ravens.
His clone and spiritual successor, Ryan Mallet, was just picked up by the Ravens.
Apparently, Mallett has "dealt" with his personal demons since he was released by HOU. I'm not entirely sure how you stop being an entitled douchenozzle in 6 weeks, but millions of dollars have a fun way of changing one's perspective.
Why stop at one mediocre ex-Texans QB when you can have two?
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His clone and spiritual successor, Ryan Mallet, was just picked up by the Ravens.
Apparently, Mallett has "dealt" with his personal demons since he was released by HOU. I'm not entirely sure how you stop being an entitled douchenozzle in 6 weeks, but millions of dollars have a fun way of changing one's perspective.
Why stop at one mediocre ex-Texans QB when you can have two?
Apparently, Mallett has "dealt" with his personal demons since he was released by HOU. I'm not entirely sure how you stop being an entitled douchenozzle in 6 weeks, but millions of dollars have a fun way of changing one's perspective.
Why stop at one mediocre ex-Texans QB when you can have two?
Didn't the Ratbirds once have TJ Yates as well?
I think what may have changed Mallet's perspective is the LOSS of any income from playing football.
Face it.....if the Pats had not had Tom Brady, there QBs over the years could have been the likes of Cassell, Hoyer, Mallet, Damon Huard, even Flutie...and even Testaverde.
They may not have been quite the dynasty they have been....and Belichick would certainly not be given any genius label.
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Really illustrates how important the qb position is
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PFF on the Browns pick:
www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/12/09/prospect-fits-for-3-teams-that-could-draft-no-1/
PFF on the Browns pick:
www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/12/09/prospect-fits-for-3-teams-that-could-draft-no-1/
i have a few issues w that article. first of all, unless Farmer gets canned and Flash Gordon implodes again, the Browns aren't taking a WR in the first round. if the writer didn't know this about the Browns,i don't feel he knows them well enough to predict for them at all.
the three teams listed weren't predictions of final draft order, they were three teams predicted to possibly finish dead last. Buckner graded higher than Bosa, so why wouldn't either be options for San Diego AND Tennessee?
to me it seemed like the writer just wrote the entire piece hoping Buckner would end up in San Diego.
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I think Gordon gets it. Whoever the QB is next year.. will have a legit #1 for the first time since Braylon. Or, of course, Gordon's last full season..
I really don't think anyone who's an out-of-control partyer would do anything that link presents.. In poker, that's a tell.
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We drafted a first round QB last year; he's played 5 games; people want to draft another because he's not yet perfect?
Give me a break.
At *best* a guy like Lynch is a project. Given how many teams are going to be drafting a QB - two, us and SF - I think we can hold fire and get him later. There's absolutely no need to jizz all over our draft because a guy is 6'7"
We drafted a first round QB last year; he's played 5 games; people want to draft another because he's not yet perfect?
Give me a break.
At *best* a guy like Lynch is a project. Given how many teams are going to be drafting a QB - two, us and SF - I think we can hold fire and get him later. There's absolutely no need to jizz all over our draft because a guy is 6'7"
yeah I don't get it either why people want to fist our draft with no lube by taking not just a QB, but a project QB. Another guy who we won't really see what he's got till year 2 or maybe even 3. Next year we need a defensive player that doesn't need to necessarily start, but needs to be a major part of the rotation next year. Khalil Mack not only started his rookie year but actually led the league or was close to leading the league in some categories. From what we've been told, this draft is defensively better than that one when he came out....soooooo why on earth would we not take a front 7 player when our front 7 has been virtually unwatcheable this season.
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