First Draft Pick Must be a QB - Paxton
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PFF on the Browns pick:
www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/12/09/prospect-fits-for-3-teams-that-could-draft-no-1/
PFF on the Browns pick:
www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/12/09/prospect-fits-for-3-teams-that-could-draft-no-1/
i have a few issues w that article. first of all, unless Farmer gets canned and Flash Gordon implodes again, the Browns aren't taking a WR in the first round. if the writer didn't know this about the Browns,i don't feel he knows them well enough to predict for them at all.
the three teams listed weren't predictions of final draft order, they were three teams predicted to possibly finish dead last. Buckner graded higher than Bosa, so why wouldn't either be options for San Diego AND Tennessee?
to me it seemed like the writer just wrote the entire piece hoping Buckner would end up in San Diego.
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I think Gordon gets it. Whoever the QB is next year.. will have a legit #1 for the first time since Braylon. Or, of course, Gordon's last full season..
I really don't think anyone who's an out-of-control partyer would do anything that link presents.. In poker, that's a tell.
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We drafted a first round QB last year; he's played 5 games; people want to draft another because he's not yet perfect?
Give me a break.
At *best* a guy like Lynch is a project. Given how many teams are going to be drafting a QB - two, us and SF - I think we can hold fire and get him later. There's absolutely no need to jizz all over our draft because a guy is 6'7"
We drafted a first round QB last year; he's played 5 games; people want to draft another because he's not yet perfect?
Give me a break.
At *best* a guy like Lynch is a project. Given how many teams are going to be drafting a QB - two, us and SF - I think we can hold fire and get him later. There's absolutely no need to jizz all over our draft because a guy is 6'7"
yeah I don't get it either why people want to fist our draft with no lube by taking not just a QB, but a project QB. Another guy who we won't really see what he's got till year 2 or maybe even 3. Next year we need a defensive player that doesn't need to necessarily start, but needs to be a major part of the rotation next year. Khalil Mack not only started his rookie year but actually led the league or was close to leading the league in some categories. From what we've been told, this draft is defensively better than that one when he came out....soooooo why on earth would we not take a front 7 player when our front 7 has been virtually unwatcheable this season.
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because QB is the most important position in football AND it is a position of need AND we HOPEFULLY wont have the opportunity to draft the top QB for the next 10 years. pair that with the fact the last couple of drafts the TOP defensive talents has played pretty shitty. some exceptions of course but for the most part pretty meh. and i think taking the player with the most POTENTIAL upside is the easier pill to swallow. i mean lets be honest here if pettine and o'neil stick around even if we draft a top flight defensive stud we will just waste his talents anyway
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because QB is the most important position in football AND it is a position of need AND we HOPEFULLY wont have the opportunity to draft the top QB for the next 10 years. pair that with the fact the last couple of drafts the TOP defensive talents has played pretty shitty. some exceptions of course but for the most part pretty meh. and i think taking the player with the most POTENTIAL upside is the easier pill to swallow. i mean lets be honest here if pettine and o'neil stick around even if we draft a top flight defensive stud we will just waste his talents anyway
because QB is the most important position in football AND it is a position of need AND we HOPEFULLY wont have the opportunity to draft the top QB for the next 10 years. pair that with the fact the last couple of drafts the TOP defensive talents has played pretty shitty. some exceptions of course but for the most part pretty meh. and i think taking the player with the most POTENTIAL upside is the easier pill to swallow. i mean lets be honest here if pettine and o'neil stick around even if we draft a top flight defensive stud we will just waste his talents anyway
So because YOU feel we MUST take a QB, regardless of whether there is a sure-fire top flight guy, then we MUST take him. Great analysis based on the consensus of one poster with unknown qualifications to assess.
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because QB is the most important position in football AND it is a position of need AND we HOPEFULLY wont have the opportunity to draft the top QB for the next 10 years. pair that with the fact the last couple of drafts the TOP defensive talents has played pretty shitty. some exceptions of course but for the most part pretty meh. and i think taking the player with the most POTENTIAL upside is the easier pill to swallow. i mean lets be honest here if pettine and o'neil stick around even if we draft a top flight defensive stud we will just waste his talents anyway
pair that with the fact the last bunch of drafts the TOP quarterback talents have played pretty shitty. some exceptions of course, but for the most part pretty meh.
fify
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Winston 58.4% comp 3059 yds 18 td 11 int 184 rushing 5 td 85.4 QB Rating
Mariota 62.4% comp 2786 yds 19 td 10 int 252 rushing 2 td 91.9 QB Rating
Bortles 57.5% comp 3524 yds 30 td 13 int 261 rushing 1 td 88.4 QB Rating
seem pretty good to me
and 2015 had Fowler,Vic Beasley and Williams take before Shelton
Fowler got injured (unfortunate
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Williams 47 tackles and 2.5 sacks
Beasley 22 tackles and 3 sacks
Shelton 26 tackels and 0 sacks
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I dont see much in the way of prospects for 2017 qb class so this may be our last shot at a good one for 2-3 years. Look fact of the matter is we KNOW we gotta make a change at the helm its just going to happen 2 years is plenty of time to know if a prospect is going to work out or not. I see this as a near inevitable conclusion.
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And one more minor point. I'm not a fan of the never-ending quarterback competition. Forgive me for one more rock and roll band allegory but some guys respond to a challenge and if they have been slacking off will put 100% into their performance and improve greatly. Other guys get beaten down by constantly having to look over their shoulder. It effects their attitude and their performance. You saw that with your boy Brian Hoyer.
WSS
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I dont know if hoyer ever came back 100% from that knee injury
. even in the texans games i have watched he's been a bit gunshy it seems. and agreed on the QB competition just play the best guy at seasons open until injury or benching is needed
another point here if we dont draft lynch I'm not going to be super sad and call it a mistake and be pissed the whole season. if we take say bosa or trade out of the first for like 3 number ones. it's going to be fine in 3-4 years another guy could be just as promising. shit maybe carson wentz is the next peyton manning. -
What's up, Frisky?
if it's Johnny so be it it's Johnny. and if that's the case spending a #1 on a QB just to back him up and get groomed for the (potential) future won't even hurt.
You realize that if we draft a Senior QB, that he'll be the same age as JM?
If it's JM, it's JM... if it's not, then pray there's a worthy #1 QB on our board.
What's up, Frisky?
oh, space stations, netflix stock, and irish setter tails i guess.
**tips hat**
You realize that if we draft a Senior QB, that he'll be the same age as JM?
ikr? it's pretty great. i genuinely believe in on-field Johnny. he finds open receivers, takes sacks and pressure like a boss, and cracks ipads like nobodies forehead.
but when Dr. Johnny drinks that elixer and transforms into Mr. JMZ...
it just doesn't seem like McCown's presence is enough to keep him on the straight and narrow. and if he and Austin don't scare him enough, maybe a QB taken first overall in 2016 will. the kid thrives inside pressure cookers. drafting competition and adding Flash Gordon back to his toolbox might just do the trick. and if not? still win/win.
If it's JM, it's JM... if it's not, then pray there's a worthy #1 QB on our board.
there's the rub, the unpredictable bitch variable. as a fan, we can only hope.
but what's the alternative? what if Johnny isn't "The One" and McCown gives us a 9-7 season and we are drafting 20th overall in 2017?
with a 1.5 Billion dollar company, i just dont think they can gamble and roll the dice with what they have like that. nor do they have the luxury of yet another year when they have top pick and a near guarantee at either Lynch or Goff.
McCown is clearly a great bridge but he's long in the tooth and obviously not the future. it is imperative the Browns do all they can to shore up the QB position once and for all right now while they have this opportunity. anything less is irresponsible.
with a business that large you gotta protect yourself as much as you can, control what you can control, minimize all the risks. 3 games just isn't enough time left to prove Johnny is the guy. not to mention potential durability issues like the AFCN creates every single year regardless of who is in there.
giving the keys to Johnny free and clear after all we've seen so far is just too risky. it's not fair to Johnny, it's not fair to the other players, it's not fair to the city and the fans, and it's not fair to the Browns legacy and former players.
they have to safeguard that position. they just HAVE to. future success depends and completely hinges upon it.
ok. i've beat this drum enough. now it's hurry up and wait...
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Winston 58.4% comp 3059 yds 18 td 11 int 184 rushing 5 td 85.4 QB Rating
Mariota 62.4% comp 2786 yds 19 td 10 int 252 rushing 2 td 91.9 QB Rating
Bortles 57.5% comp 3524 yds 30 td 13 int 261 rushing 1 td 88.4 QB Rating
seem pretty good to me
and 2015 had Fowler,Vic Beasley and Williams take before Shelton
Fowler got injured (unfortunate )
Williams 47 tackles and 2.5 sacks
Beasley 22 tackles and 3 sacks
Shelton 26 tackels and 0 sacks
stunning...Winston 58.4% comp 3059 yds 18 td 11 int 184 rushing 5 td 85.4 QB Rating
Mariota 62.4% comp 2786 yds 19 td 10 int 252 rushing 2 td 91.9 QB Rating
Bortles 57.5% comp 3524 yds 30 td 13 int 261 rushing 1 td 88.4 QB Rating
seem pretty good to me
and 2015 had Fowler,Vic Beasley and Williams take before Shelton
Fowler got injured (unfortunate
)Williams 47 tackles and 2.5 sacks
Beasley 22 tackles and 3 sacks
Shelton 26 tackels and 0 sacks
stunning...
So you compare two rookie QB's to a sophomore QB, then you compare a Nose to an End, then toss in a WLB for good measure?
I don't even think YOU know what point you're attempting to make.
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Comparing top prospects of varying positions
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I dont see much in the way of prospects for 2017 qb class so this may be our last shot at a good one for 2-3 years. Look fact of the matter is we KNOW we gotta make a change at the helm its just going to happen 2 years is plenty of time to know if a prospect is going to work out or not. I see this as a near inevitable conclusion.
I dont see much in the way of prospects for 2017 qb class so this may be our last shot at a good one for 2-3 years. Look fact of the matter is we KNOW we gotta make a change at the helm its just going to happen 2 years is plenty of time to know if a prospect is going to work out or not. I see this as a near inevitable conclusion.
Really? Because most places I find are saying the most talented QB in college right now is Deshawn Watson, who can't declare for at least another year.
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Just read another article which discussed Johnny and Josh Gordon remaining in constant contact. Johnny said that Josh is doing the things he needs to do, and he fully expects him back at a top level. Now, I don't take anything that Johnny says as gospel, but it sure is nice to hear SOMETHING about Josh.
And yes, count me as in the group of people that daydream about Johnny and Josh playing together. Can you imagine Gordon on some of those "scramble" drills? He catches the ball past a defender and that's it.
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The only problem I have with that, jiggles, is Gordon's work ethic (or lack of). We've seen him 'phone in' run plays or other plays where he's not the #1 read. How will that translate to scrambles, where he thinks 'there's no way I'm getting the ball'
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Chris...we don't want to be in the same position we are in now next year...we don't want to be in this position again like ever....1 guy doesn't make a QB class and if we are in a spot to take him after being able to take the best from 2016 we're fucked... This year is the last time we pick in the top 5 for the next 5 years guys we all hope or should hope...
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Just read another article which discussed Johnny and Josh Gordon remaining in constant contact. Johnny said that Josh is doing the things he needs to do, and he fully expects him back at a top level. Now, I don't take anything that Johnny says as gospel, but it sure is nice to hear SOMETHING about Josh.
And yes, count me as in the group of people that daydream about Johnny and Josh playing together. Can you imagine Gordon on some of those "scramble" drills? He catches the ball past a defender and that's it.
Just read another article which discussed Johnny and Josh Gordon remaining in constant contact. Johnny said that Josh is doing the things he needs to do, and he fully expects him back at a top level. Now, I don't take anything that Johnny says as gospel, but it sure is nice to hear SOMETHING about Josh.
Oddly that pairing strikes me as just the kind of association that could help both of them.
The responsibility of mentoring a "troubled" vet might help JM stay on his path...
The "admiration" Josh has for JM might ensure a full effort...
It could work... but if it did not, then the blow up would be epic...
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If JM is the one responsible for turning Puffy back in to Flash then that's a serious level of maturity that I expect from a QB right there. Let's wait and see.
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The only problem I have with that, jiggles, is Gordon's work ethic (or lack of). We've seen him 'phone in' run plays or other plays where he's not the #1 read. How will that translate to scrambles, where he thinks 'there's no way I'm getting the ball'
The only problem I have with that, jiggles, is Gordon's work ethic (or lack of). We've seen him 'phone in' run plays or other plays where he's not the #1 read. How will that translate to scrambles, where he thinks 'there's no way I'm getting the ball'
Yeah...pretty hard to argue against that, LOL. I realize I'm being wishful and possibly misguided, but I just know the vast potential Gordon has, and I'd love to see him realize it. For OUR team. I see these amazing WR's every week, and I want one. Gordon and Manziel vibing on the scramble plays is absolutely enticing.
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