First Draft Pick Must be a QB - Paxton
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Winston 58.4% comp 3059 yds 18 td 11 int 184 rushing 5 td 85.4 QB Rating
Mariota 62.4% comp 2786 yds 19 td 10 int 252 rushing 2 td 91.9 QB Rating
Bortles 57.5% comp 3524 yds 30 td 13 int 261 rushing 1 td 88.4 QB Rating
seem pretty good to me
and 2015 had Fowler,Vic Beasley and Williams take before Shelton
Fowler got injured (unfortunate
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Williams 47 tackles and 2.5 sacks
Beasley 22 tackles and 3 sacks
Shelton 26 tackels and 0 sacks
stunning...Winston 58.4% comp 3059 yds 18 td 11 int 184 rushing 5 td 85.4 QB Rating
Mariota 62.4% comp 2786 yds 19 td 10 int 252 rushing 2 td 91.9 QB Rating
Bortles 57.5% comp 3524 yds 30 td 13 int 261 rushing 1 td 88.4 QB Rating
seem pretty good to me
and 2015 had Fowler,Vic Beasley and Williams take before Shelton
Fowler got injured (unfortunate
)Williams 47 tackles and 2.5 sacks
Beasley 22 tackles and 3 sacks
Shelton 26 tackels and 0 sacks
stunning...
So you compare two rookie QB's to a sophomore QB, then you compare a Nose to an End, then toss in a WLB for good measure?
I don't even think YOU know what point you're attempting to make.
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Comparing top prospects of varying positions
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I dont see much in the way of prospects for 2017 qb class so this may be our last shot at a good one for 2-3 years. Look fact of the matter is we KNOW we gotta make a change at the helm its just going to happen 2 years is plenty of time to know if a prospect is going to work out or not. I see this as a near inevitable conclusion.
I dont see much in the way of prospects for 2017 qb class so this may be our last shot at a good one for 2-3 years. Look fact of the matter is we KNOW we gotta make a change at the helm its just going to happen 2 years is plenty of time to know if a prospect is going to work out or not. I see this as a near inevitable conclusion.
Really? Because most places I find are saying the most talented QB in college right now is Deshawn Watson, who can't declare for at least another year.
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Just read another article which discussed Johnny and Josh Gordon remaining in constant contact. Johnny said that Josh is doing the things he needs to do, and he fully expects him back at a top level. Now, I don't take anything that Johnny says as gospel, but it sure is nice to hear SOMETHING about Josh.
And yes, count me as in the group of people that daydream about Johnny and Josh playing together. Can you imagine Gordon on some of those "scramble" drills? He catches the ball past a defender and that's it.
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The only problem I have with that, jiggles, is Gordon's work ethic (or lack of). We've seen him 'phone in' run plays or other plays where he's not the #1 read. How will that translate to scrambles, where he thinks 'there's no way I'm getting the ball'
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Chris...we don't want to be in the same position we are in now next year...we don't want to be in this position again like ever....1 guy doesn't make a QB class and if we are in a spot to take him after being able to take the best from 2016 we're fucked... This year is the last time we pick in the top 5 for the next 5 years guys we all hope or should hope...
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Just read another article which discussed Johnny and Josh Gordon remaining in constant contact. Johnny said that Josh is doing the things he needs to do, and he fully expects him back at a top level. Now, I don't take anything that Johnny says as gospel, but it sure is nice to hear SOMETHING about Josh.
And yes, count me as in the group of people that daydream about Johnny and Josh playing together. Can you imagine Gordon on some of those "scramble" drills? He catches the ball past a defender and that's it.
Just read another article which discussed Johnny and Josh Gordon remaining in constant contact. Johnny said that Josh is doing the things he needs to do, and he fully expects him back at a top level. Now, I don't take anything that Johnny says as gospel, but it sure is nice to hear SOMETHING about Josh.
Oddly that pairing strikes me as just the kind of association that could help both of them.
The responsibility of mentoring a "troubled" vet might help JM stay on his path...
The "admiration" Josh has for JM might ensure a full effort...
It could work... but if it did not, then the blow up would be epic...
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If JM is the one responsible for turning Puffy back in to Flash then that's a serious level of maturity that I expect from a QB right there. Let's wait and see.
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The only problem I have with that, jiggles, is Gordon's work ethic (or lack of). We've seen him 'phone in' run plays or other plays where he's not the #1 read. How will that translate to scrambles, where he thinks 'there's no way I'm getting the ball'
The only problem I have with that, jiggles, is Gordon's work ethic (or lack of). We've seen him 'phone in' run plays or other plays where he's not the #1 read. How will that translate to scrambles, where he thinks 'there's no way I'm getting the ball'
Yeah...pretty hard to argue against that, LOL. I realize I'm being wishful and possibly misguided, but I just know the vast potential Gordon has, and I'd love to see him realize it. For OUR team. I see these amazing WR's every week, and I want one. Gordon and Manziel vibing on the scramble plays is absolutely enticing.
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JM has a history from college years of working on his own in the off season with his top receivers so that they each have a better understanding of what "primary receiver" entails with a guy whose best asset is the ability to extend plays. Some of those crazy things folks told me here that would not translate to the pros have in fact been some of our best plays. I have loved the fact they are forcing him to be the more complete "progression" pro, but now with increasing authority to go full JFF when protection breaks down. I love even more how they have designed some plays specifically to occur outside the pocket with a lot of misdirection to open up the field for receivers and QB.
If he repeats that history in the off season with several receivers, it can only help the Browns whether it is seen as caretaking or not.
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JM has a history from college years of working on his own in the off season with his top receivers so that they each have a better understanding of what "primary receiver" entails with a guy whose best asset is the ability to extend plays. Some of those crazy things folks told me here that would not translate to the pros have in fact been some of our best plays. I have loved the fact they are forcing him to be the more complete "progression" pro, but now with increasing authority to go full JFF when protection breaks down. I love even more how they have designed some plays specifically to occur outside the pocket with a lot of misdirection to open up the field for receivers and QB.
If he repeats that history in the off season with several receivers, it can only help the Browns whether it is seen as caretaking or not.
JM has a history from college years of working on his own in the off season with his top receivers so that they each have a better understanding of what "primary receiver" entails with a guy whose best asset is the ability to extend plays. Some of those crazy things folks told me here that would not translate to the pros have in fact been some of our best plays. I have loved the fact they are forcing him to be the more complete "progression" pro, but now with increasing authority to go full JFF when protection breaks down. I love even more how they have designed some plays specifically to occur outside the pocket with a lot of misdirection to open up the field for receivers and QB.
If he repeats that history in the off season with several receivers, it can only help the Browns whether it is seen as caretaking or not.
Similar to what they did with Wilson in Seattle.
The fact that people are saying Manziel isn't as good of a passer as Wilson is just pure ludicrous. He has just as much arm talent, the rest is learned with time.
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Just read another article which discussed Johnny and Josh Gordon remaining in constant contact. Johnny said that Josh is doing the things he needs to do, and he fully expects him back at a top level. Now, I don't take anything that Johnny says as gospel, but it sure is nice to hear SOMETHING about Josh.
And yes, count me as in the group of people that daydream about Johnny and Josh playing together. Can you imagine Gordon on some of those "scramble" drills? He catches the ball past a defender and that's it.
it sure is nice to hear SOMETHING about Josh.
I have to admit, I'm interested to see the new JG. It takes fundamental acceptance that change is needed for that linked article to be written.
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No way this guy is a 1st round pick.
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pretty ugly game as bad as manziel was on sunday.
, I'm still on board with bringing him to cleveland of course. goff looked very nice today aswell I've heard wentz is supposed to be pretty good and have the size and athleticism that nfl values. cook has such a good arm tho really gifted. -
pretty ugly game as bad as manziel was on sunday.
, I'm still on board with bringing him to cleveland of course. goff looked very nice today aswell I've heard wentz is supposed to be pretty good and have the size and athleticism that nfl values. cook has such a good arm tho really gifted.pretty ugly game as bad as manziel was on sunday
Butt, butt butt ...........................................he's our next ex-Browns QB savior.
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I'm not looking for a qb savior, I'm looking for competency and accountability. Things we are lacking at multiple positions but none more so evident than QB.
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Browns RB from Alabama-Richardson -Check
Browns Heisman Winner - Manziel -Check
Browns will not draft Heisman RB from Alabama -Check
Browns too gunshy?? -Check
Browns RB from Alabama-Richardson -Check
Browns Heisman Winner - Manziel -Check
Browns will not draft Heisman RB from Alabama -Check
Browns too gunshy?? -Check
Us OSU homers want Elliot, thank you very much.
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Browns RB from Alabama-Richardson -Check
Browns Heisman Winner - Manziel -Check
Browns will not draft Heisman RB from Alabama -Check
Browns too gunshy?? -Check
Us OSU homers want Elliot, thank you very much.
Us OSU homers want Elliot, thank you very much.
But if we take Bosa first Elliott will be gone by Round 2 unless we trade away the bank to move up. Sorry only one OSU player per round. Guess who might still be there.
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