Pope Francis Issues Decree That Jews Should Not Be Told About Salvation In Jesus Christ
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Just a side note for anyone bitches about using the blaze as a reference and counters it with a link to the Huffington Post...
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BBEdward your question really does require a bible study as they are common for most people not familiar with bible teachings:
There are many scriptures showing we are saved by faith alone but it does not leave out doing good works either. What the scriptures say is that good works will follow those who have faith and if good works are not following that faith you need to examine yourself to see if your faith is dead because real faith produces good works.
- Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness."
- Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."
- Rom. 9:30, "What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith."
- Rom. 10:4, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
- Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."
- Gal. 2:16, "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
- Gal. 2:21, "I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."
- Gal. 3:5-6, "Does He then, who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 6Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."
- Gal. 3:24, "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."
- Eph. 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. 9Not by works, lest any man should boast."
- Phil. 3:9, "and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith."
Again, works/Law is contrasted with faith repeatedly, and we are told that we are not justified by works in any way. Therefore, we are made right with God by faith--not by faith and our works, hence, faith alone.
***There is one scripture that seems on it's face to contradict faith alone:
James 2:24, not by faith alone
The Scriptures clearly teach that we are saved (justified) by faith in Christ and what He has done on the cross. This faith alone saves us. However, we cannot stop here without addressing what James says in James 2:24, "You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone."
James begins this section by using the example of someone who says that he has faith but has no works, "What use is it, my brethren, if a man says he has faith, but he has no works? Can that faith save him?" (James 2:14) In other words, James is addressing the issue of a dead faith--a faith that is nothing more than a verbal pronouncement, a public confession of the mind, and is not heart-felt. It is empty of life and action. He begins with the negative and demonstrates what an empty faith is (verses 15-17, words without actions).
In brief, James is examining two kinds of faith: one that leads to godly works and one that does not. One is true, and the other is false. One is dead, the other alive, hence, "Faith without works is dead," (James 2:20). But, he is not contradicting the verses above that say salvation/justification is by faith alone.
Also, notice that James actually quotes the same verse that Paul quotes in Rom. 4:3 amongst a host of verses dealing with justification by faith. James 2:23 says, "and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, 'and Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.'" If James was trying to teach a contradictory doctrine of faith and works than the other New Testament writers, then he would not have used Abraham as an example. Therefore, we can see that justification is by faith alone and that James was talking about false faith--not real faith--when he said that we are not justified by faith alone.
How Can a Loving God Send People to Hell? Dr. J. Vernon McGeeThe Bible doesn't say that a loving God sends anyone to hell, and yet they do go to hell. But they don't go there because God sends them; it's the only place for those who have rejected Jesus Christ and have no capacity for God whatsoever.
When you say that He's a loving God, you've only described one part of God. God also is righteous and just and holy. And if you think that you can violate all the different attributes of God and then depend on His love to save you, you're entirely wrong. Because you cannot insult and blaspheme against God. He's told us that we're sinners and cannot come into His presence, that we do not seek after God, that we're alienated from Him.
Do you think He's going to bring you into His presence when you have ignored Him and turned your back upon Him? No. He is a holy God. He had to give His Son to die on the cross for our sins, and if you're going to reject the only way He could work out for your salvation then you must understand that this is the place for you.
Don't say that a loving God sends people to hell. Say that there is a holy God, and when you do not meet His standard you cannot go into His heaven where He is. That ought to be very obvious to you. In your home I'm sure that you have a standard and there are certain people that you would not let come in. God does the same thing. You have to meet His standard if you're going to heaven.
There's only one place for the lost who have rejected the Lord Jesus Christ and that's with the devil and his demons. Don't say that a loving God is going to send you to hell - He's not. The thing that's going to send you to hell is that you're a sinner and you don't want to admit it. That's the problem with the human family. It's a self will, a desire to want to go their way. Yet God has provided a way for you to come. And any time you want to make the turn, a loving God will save you.
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That is kind of fucked up, to believe in a god that petty
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I think the ass hole is the guy that gets pissed off and shitty when somebody else is trying to do something he believes will save your soul or give you a way to receive the gift of eternal life. You know, you.
WSS
If only you were deep enough to understand that the logic string you just dropped is responsible for more misery and death then your mind could even conceive of. And i'm very sure that if someone walked into any church this coming Thursday and started handing out pamphlets informing people of their real lord and master, I'm talking about the spaghetti monster of course, because you know he was looking out for their souls and all....i'm very sure that would turn out just fine for the guy.
If only you were deep enough to understand that the logic string you just dropped is responsible for more misery and death then your mind could even conceive of. And i'm very sure that if someone walked into any church this coming Thursday and started handing out pamphlets informing people of their real lord and master, I'm talking about the spaghetti monster of course, because you know he was looking out for their souls and all....i'm very sure that would turn out just fine for the guy.
Stuart
You're so deep....in shit.
Those that Steve was referring to are responsible for misery and death? In 2015? And he wasn't talking about filthy goat fucking muslims. Who exactly then? Nearly every entity, establishment, organization, government, career field, most aimed at doing good, have had bad apples and episodes of corruption, yes and that includes RELIGION.
Are you that big of an asshole that you would scrutinize a con or ex-con for turning to religion and the bible if that's what it took for him to straighten out is life?...and scrutinize him for bible thumping to others?
Perhaps you'll find meaning in the bible for your meaningless and miserable life too. Give it a chance.
Someone quote this. I know Cleve the tough guy has me on ignore. What a pussy.
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If only you were deep enough to understand that the logic string you just dropped is responsible for more misery and death then your mind could even conceive of. And i'm very sure that if someone walked into any church this coming Thursday and started handing out pamphlets informing people of their real lord and master, I'm talking about the spaghetti monster of course, because you know he was looking out for their souls and all....i'm very sure that would turn out just fine for the guy.
Stuart
You're so deep....in shit.
Those that Steve was referring to are responsible for misery and death? In 2015? And he wasn't talking about filthy goat fucking muslims. Who exactly then? Nearly every entity, establishment, organization, government, career field, most aimed at doing good, have had bad apples and episodes of corruption, yes and that includes RELIGION.
Are you that big of an asshole that you would scrutinize a con or ex-con for turning to religion and the bible if that's what it took for him to straighten out is life?...and scrutinize him for bible thumping to others?
Perhaps you'll find meaning in the bible for your meaningless and miserable life too. Give it a chance.
Someone quote this. I know Cleve the tough guy has me on ignore. What a pussy.
Stuart
You're so deep....in shit.
Those that Steve was referring to are responsible for misery and death? In 2015? And he wasn't talking about filthy goat fucking muslims. Who exactly then? Nearly every entity, establishment, organization, government, career field, most aimed at doing good, have had bad apples and episodes of corruption, yes and that includes RELIGION.
Are you that big of an asshole that you would scrutinize a con or ex-con for turning to religion and the bible if that's what it took for him to straighten out is life?...and scrutinize him for bible thumping to others?
Perhaps you'll find meaning in the bible for your meaningless and miserable life too. Give it a chance.
Someone quote this. I know Cleve the tough guy has me on ignore. What a pussy.
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Just a side note for anyone bitches about using the blaze as a reference and counters it with a link to the Huffington Post...
WSS
Just a side note for anyone bitches about using the blaze as a reference and counters it with a link to the Huffington Post...
WSS
If you're referring to me, what I posted from HP was an opinion piece. I wasn't trying to pass it off as fact, as some people on here tend to do with articles from the Blaze and such. I just thought it was a thought-provoking article, and that it did a good job of articulating what I think of the subject.
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Just think about that for a minute. I mean, really think about it. It sounds asinine.
It doesn't sound right but it is. We are made right with God by faith alone. Good works show we have faith but the bible is clear you are terribly mistaken if you think good works alone will give you a right standing with God. The bible says Abraham believed God and God counted it to him for righteousness (right standing)...salvation by faith is key...
It doesn't sound right but it is. We are made right with God by faith alone. Good works show we have faith but the bible is clear you are terribly mistaken if you think good works alone will give you a right standing with God. The bible says Abraham believed God and God counted it to him for righteousness (right standing)...salvation by faith is key...
BBEdward your question really does require a bible study as they are common for most people not familiar with bible teachings:
There are many scriptures showing we are saved by faith alone but it does not leave out doing good works either. What the scriptures say is that good works will follow those who have faith and if good works are not following that faith you need to examine yourself to see if your faith is dead because real faith produces good works.
- Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness."
- Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."
- Rom. 9:30, "What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith."
- Rom. 10:4, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
- Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."
- Gal. 2:16, "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
- Gal. 2:21, "I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."
- Gal. 3:5-6, "Does He then, who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 6Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."
- Gal. 3:24, "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."
- Eph. 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. 9Not by works, lest any man should boast."
- Phil. 3:9, "and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith."
Again, works/Law is contrasted with faith repeatedly, and we are told that we are not justified by works in any way. Therefore, we are made right with God by faith--not by faith and our works, hence, faith alone.
***There is one scripture that seems on it's face to contradict faith alone:
James 2:24, not by faith alone
The Scriptures clearly teach that we are saved (justified) by faith in Christ and what He has done on the cross. This faith alone saves us. However, we cannot stop here without addressing what James says in James 2:24, "You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone."
James begins this section by using the example of someone who says that he has faith but has no works, "What use is it, my brethren, if a man says he has faith, but he has no works? Can that faith save him?" (James 2:14) In other words, James is addressing the issue of a dead faith--a faith that is nothing more than a verbal pronouncement, a public confession of the mind, and is not heart-felt. It is empty of life and action. He begins with the negative and demonstrates what an empty faith is (verses 15-17, words without actions).
In brief, James is examining two kinds of faith: one that leads to godly works and one that does not. One is true, and the other is false. One is dead, the other alive, hence, "Faith without works is dead," (James 2:20). But, he is not contradicting the verses above that say salvation/justification is by faith alone.
Also, notice that James actually quotes the same verse that Paul quotes in Rom. 4:3 amongst a host of verses dealing with justification by faith. James 2:23 says, "and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, 'and Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.'" If James was trying to teach a contradictory doctrine of faith and works than the other New Testament writers, then he would not have used Abraham as an example. Therefore, we can see that justification is by faith alone and that James was talking about false faith--not real faith--when he said that we are not justified by faith alone.
How Can a Loving God Send People to Hell? Dr. J. Vernon McGeeThe Bible doesn't say that a loving God sends anyone to hell, and yet they do go to hell. But they don't go there because God sends them; it's the only place for those who have rejected Jesus Christ and have no capacity for God whatsoever.
When you say that He's a loving God, you've only described one part of God. God also is righteous and just and holy. And if you think that you can violate all the different attributes of God and then depend on His love to save you, you're entirely wrong. Because you cannot insult and blaspheme against God. He's told us that we're sinners and cannot come into His presence, that we do not seek after God, that we're alienated from Him.
Do you think He's going to bring you into His presence when you have ignored Him and turned your back upon Him? No. He is a holy God. He had to give His Son to die on the cross for our sins, and if you're going to reject the only way He could work out for your salvation then you must understand that this is the place for you.
Don't say that a loving God sends people to hell. Say that there is a holy God, and when you do not meet His standard you cannot go into His heaven where He is. That ought to be very obvious to you. In your home I'm sure that you have a standard and there are certain people that you would not let come in. God does the same thing. You have to meet His standard if you're going to heaven.
There's only one place for the lost who have rejected the Lord Jesus Christ and that's with the devil and his demons. Don't say that a loving God is going to send you to hell - He's not. The thing that's going to send you to hell is that you're a sinner and you don't want to admit it. That's the problem with the human family. It's a self will, a desire to want to go their way. Yet God has provided a way for you to come. And any time you want to make the turn, a loving God will save you.
...When people say "The Bible says..." they are typically doing one of two things. 1) They are diverting authority, and criticism, to God. It's not their opinion, it's God's. The individual thus removes themselves from the equation by associating their view as divinely inspired and approved. 2) They are appealing to common ground to persuade somebody of something...The problem is that, "The Bible says..." diverts people from engaging with their own opinions and predispositions because they turn themselves into secondary sources....
I am suggesting that if people acknowledge that the Bible doesn't actually say anything, but that every claim is their own interpretation, heavily filtered through their own life experiences, there won't be a diversion of engagement; people will actually be able to communicate person to person, about their own opinions. As soon as the shift from "The Bible says" to "I interpret the Bible as" happens, it puts the conversationalists into a dialogue about their own actual thoughts and opinions... -
Reason and common sense isn't going to work on OBF.
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Reason and common sense isn't going to work on OBF.
Woody reason this out. Eternity. That is a concept I cannot fathom and neither can you. I think we can both agree it is a long long time. We as human beings live a minuscule short life at best when compared to eternity. A lifeline has been thrown to us from a man (Jesus who is God who became man) who worked miracles, said he was going to die for our sins and rise from death and prepare a place for us with Him that will last for eternity. Common sense and reason to me would be to take the lifeline that has been thrown my way especially when there are no other lifelines.
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Sure it would work - you dumb liberaltards never tried it....
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Just a side note for anyone bitches about using the blaze as a reference and counters it with a link to the Huffington Post...
WSS
If you're referring to me, what I posted from HP was an opinion piece. I wasn't trying to pass it off as fact, as some people on here tend to do with articles from the Blaze and such. I just thought it was a thought-provoking article, and that it did a good job of articulating what I think of the subject.
If you're referring to me, what I posted from HP was an opinion piece. I wasn't trying to pass it off as fact, as some people on here tend to do with articles from the Blaze and such. I just thought it was a thought-provoking article, and that it did a good job of articulating what I think of the subject.
Just pointing out that those of different viewpoints choose different sources.
At least nobody is regularly quoting Pravda or Stormfront...
WSS
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Reason and common sense isn't going to work on OBF.
Woody reason this out. Eternity. That is a concept I cannot fathom and neither can you. I think we can both agree it is a long long time. We as human beings live a minuscule short life at best when compared to eternity. A lifeline has been thrown to us from a man (Jesus who is God who became man) who worked miracles, said he was going to die for our sins and rise from death and prepare a place for us with Him that will last for eternity. Common sense and reason to me would be to take the lifeline that has been thrown my way especially when there are no other lifelines.
Woody reason this out. Eternity. That is a concept I cannot fathom and neither can you. I think we can both agree it is a long long time. We as human beings live a minuscule short life at best when compared to eternity. A lifeline has been thrown to us from a man (Jesus who is God who became man) who worked miracles, said he was going to die for our sins and rise from death and prepare a place for us with Him that will last for eternity. Common sense and reason to me would be to take the lifeline that has been thrown my way especially when there are no other lifelines.
Dude. Your views are supported with circular logic. You don't reason and you don't use common sense. That's been shown on here many times.
The bible is truth because god wrote it. God is real because the bible says so. Do you see the flaw in that logic?
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That is kind of fucked up, to believe in a god that petty
This is what they've always done. Read the OT, it says shit like god delighted in the smell of burning flesh of sacrifices. Now....the version of the bible we've known our lives makes it specific to "animal" flesh. That in of itself is fucked. Applying that characteristic of liking the smell of a cooked steak or frying bacon, to the maker of all that is was and ever will be, is shockingly anthropomorphic and the product of the most simple and rudimentary minds that i can't even wrap my head around it. But there is some evidence that perhaps these early OT jews also sacrificed humans to their god....so it's "very" reasonable to suspect that when the bible was "edited" some time around 800AD that they made sure to take out the human part of their burning flesh loving god.
Jews are not gods chosen people, no more no less than any of us. I think Jesus, whether he was the son of god or some alien with powers I don't know and frankly i don't care...but there is plenty evidence that this dude was not at all happy with Jews and let them know how fucked they were. And that's why he landed on the cross imo.
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Woody reason this out. Eternity. That is a concept I cannot fathom and neither can you. I think we can both agree it is a long long time. We as human beings live a minuscule short life at best when compared to eternity. A lifeline has been thrown to us from a man (Jesus who is God who became man) who worked miracles, said he was going to die for our sins and rise from death and prepare a place for us with Him that will last for eternity. Common sense and reason to me would be to take the lifeline that has been thrown my way especially when there are no other lifelines.
Dude. Your views are supported with circular logic. You don't reason and you don't use common sense. That's been shown on here many times.
The bible is truth because god wrote it. God is real because the bible says so. Do you see the flaw in that logic?
D Do you see the flaw in that logic?
Of course they do but they won't admit it. Their pastors tell them every sunday how important it is for them to "save us". Because their numbers are dropping hard. No people to syphon funds from no religion. It's that simple. They need people to believe their religion because their own convictions are too weak to sustain them. To people with real convictions, "real" faith....it doesn't matter what anybody else on this planet believes, it's irrelevant. And they hate people like that, always have. They've persecuted people like that for centuries. If you don't believe what they do and just go about your daily ratkilling, then they look at you funny like you're some witch/Satanist blah blah. That kind of shit. It's all through their written history, decrees on how to deal with people that don't believe as they do. In the end...Islam, Judaism and Christianity are exactly the same. And that's what entertains me the most.
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If only you were deep enough to understand that the logic string you just dropped is responsible for more misery and death then your mind could even conceive of. And i'm very sure that if someone walked into any church this coming Thursday and started handing out pamphlets informing people of their real lord and master, I'm talking about the spaghetti monster of course, because you know he was looking out for their souls and all....i'm very sure that would turn out just fine for the guy.
Stuart
You're so deep....in shit.
Those that Steve was referring to are responsible for misery and death? In 2015? And he wasn't talking about filthy goat fucking muslims. Who exactly then? Nearly every entity, establishment, organization, government, career field, most aimed at doing good, have had bad apples and episodes of corruption, yes and that includes RELIGION.
Are you that big of an asshole that you would scrutinize a con or ex-con for turning to religion and the bible if that's what it took for him to straighten out is life?...and scrutinize him for bible thumping to others?
Perhaps you'll find meaning in the bible for your meaningless and miserable life too. Give it a chance.
Someone quote this. I know Cleve the tough guy has me on ignore. What a pussy.
Stuart
You're so deep....in shit.
Those that Steve was referring to are responsible for misery and death? In 2015? And he wasn't talking about filthy goat fucking muslims. Who exactly then? Nearly every entity, establishment, organization, government, career field, most aimed at doing good, have had bad apples and episodes of corruption, yes and that includes RELIGION.
Are you that big of an asshole that you would scrutinize a con or ex-con for turning to religion and the bible if that's what it took for him to straighten out is life?...and scrutinize him for bible thumping to others?
Perhaps you'll find meaning in the bible for your meaningless and miserable life too. Give it a chance.
Someone quote this. I know Cleve the tough guy has me on ignore. What a pussy.
I love how you have to beg people to quote you. And i'm the pussy? Nope. You just put it down for everyone to see. It's been gnawing at you for months that i'm ignoring you. Your pussy is just raw and blistered over isn't it? Did you complain about this clevfan4life cocksucker to your mother as she brought her meatloaf down to the basement? Did she nod her head like she cared? She was really thinking my god who is this useless cunt I sprung forth from my womb 45 years ago. What did I do? Where did I go wrong?
If I could have an imaginary convo with her for just a moment....I would say well Mrs Hole, you probably shouldn't have been passing out drunk at frat parties in your early 20's. He really had no chance coming from that watered down gene pool. You probably should have done the right think and paid PP a visit early.
well Stinky, it was nice catching up with you but it's time to go back on ignore. I don't waste my time conversing with ignorant basement dwelling steeler loving mouth breathing 3/4 fgts. Chao
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I'd put cleavage on ignore, but it's hard to ignore nothing. No common sense, no legit backing up
what he constantly claims, no reading comprehension, no critical thinking.
Cleve is like the black hole of the board= offers nothing to it, but tries to suck everything
up that comes up on the board. At least he isn't a woodpecker.
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Reason and common sense isn't going to work on OBF.
Woody reason this out. Eternity. That is a concept I cannot fathom and neither can you. I think we can both agree it is a long long time. We as human beings live a minuscule short life at best when compared to eternity. A lifeline has been thrown to us from a man (Jesus who is God who became man) who worked miracles, said he was going to die for our sins and rise from death and prepare a place for us with Him that will last for eternity. Common sense and reason to me would be to take the lifeline that has been thrown my way especially when there are no other lifelines.
Woody reason this out. Eternity. That is a concept I cannot fathom and neither can you. I think we can both agree it is a long long time. We as human beings live a minuscule short life at best when compared to eternity. A lifeline has been thrown to us from a man (Jesus who is God who became man) who worked miracles, said he was going to die for our sins and rise from death and prepare a place for us with Him that will last for eternity. Common sense and reason to me would be to take the lifeline that has been thrown my way especially when there are no other lifelines.
So...Jesus,who is God...was sent to Earth by God, who is Jesus...in order to offer himself up as a sacrifice to his father, who was also himself...so that the humans, whom he himself created,...could be forgiven of their sins against God, who is Jesus...thereby saving them from "divine" punishment from God, who is, in fact Jesus,... for breaking the commandments that God, who is Jesus, made up.In other words, Jesus sacrificed himself, to himself, in order to prevent his own creations from being punished, by him, for breaking the laws of God, which he himself created.I don't know about everyone else, but, to me, that whole scenario sounds a bit like nonsensical horseshit, and borderline sadomasochistic, but, I am not the one that made up the story. -
Woody reason this out. Eternity. That is a concept I cannot fathom and neither can you. I think we can both agree it is a long long time. We as human beings live a minuscule short life at best when compared to eternity. A lifeline has been thrown to us from a man (Jesus who is God who became man) who worked miracles, said he was going to die for our sins and rise from death and prepare a place for us with Him that will last for eternity. Common sense and reason to me would be to take the lifeline that has been thrown my way especially when there are no other lifelines.
So...Jesus,who is God...was sent to Earth by God, who is Jesus...in order to offer himself up as a sacrifice to his father, who was also himself...so that the humans, whom he himself created,...could be forgiven of their sins against God, who is Jesus...thereby saving them from "divine" punishment from God, who is, in fact Jesus,... for breaking the commandments that God, who is Jesus, made up.In other words, Jesus sacrificed himself, to himself, in order to prevent his own creations from being punished, by him, for breaking the laws of God, which he himself created.I don't know about everyone else, but, to me, that whole scenario sounds a bit like nonsensical horseshit, and borderline sadomasochistic, but, I am not the one that made up the story.So...Jesus, who is God, was sent to Earth by God, who is Jesus, in order to sacrifice himself, to his father, who was also himself, so that the humans, whom he himself created, could be forgiven of all the punishments that God/Jesus inflicted on them for breaking the commandments that God, who is Jesus himself, made up...And apparently we only exist to worship the God/Jesus who loves us so much that he'd sentence people to an eternity of torment for not believing in him, despite the lack of evidence of his existence.I don't know about everyone else, but, to me, that whole scenario sounds a bit like nonsensical horseshit, but, I am not the one that made up the story.Wrong on about everything. You started off well stating Jesus is God but you went downhill after that.
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So...Jesus, who is God, was sent to Earth by God, who is Jesus, in order to sacrifice himself, to his father, who was also himself, so that the humans, whom he himself created, could be forgiven of all the punishments that God/Jesus inflicted on them for breaking the commandments that God, who is Jesus himself, made up...And apparently we only exist to worship the God/Jesus who loves us so much that he'd sentence people to an eternity of torment for not believing in him, despite the lack of evidence of his existence.I don't know about everyone else, but, to me, that whole scenario sounds a bit like nonsensical horseshit, but, I am not the one that made up the story.
Wrong on about everything. You started off well stating Jesus is God but you went downhill after that.
Wrong on about everything. You started off well stating Jesus is God but you went downhill after that.
How is that wrong? If you analyze the Bible logically, that is pretty much exactly what the Bible teaches.
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