Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Johnny is already showing he can win games in the NFL. IF he can avoid major off-field mistakes, he will be a good qb. I hope he stays with the Browns to do that.
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He hasn't changed my mind yet. Even though his WRs dropped 3 or 4 throws, it looked like the rest of the game was simply dump off throws (after the 1st drive). I don't know what to think about him, I just hope he stays clean in the off season, and the team gets healthier, adds some talent to help whoever the QB is in 2016.
I'd look at the QB from Indiana, Sudfeld and draft him after getting some D help and a tall WR.
This season has turned into such a disaster. The offense is just to easy to defend right now, and the defense can't stop anybody.
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I dig irony...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I'm sure the starting quarterback of a team is going to say he doesn't want the head coach to return......
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VesnaKociper said:
Larry, have you been injecting Manitol Salt Agar into your veins? You are WONDERING IF PETTINE........???????????? Let me ask you bro, are you also wondering if you will wake up tomorrow and have a third testicle growing out of your taint? Are you wondering if Zombo will ever become a Steeler fan? Maybe you are wondering if Stan and I are ever going to be runway models for Hanes underwear?
Pettine is the Barney Fife of NFL coaches.
Even Lew Merletti wants to throw bottles at that cocksucker.
LOL Tom. If they shit-can Pettine the day after the season is over- believe me I won't get upset. We'll see if Ray the Farmer gets shown the door too. As was said, the Browns are shit because they've pretty much drafted like shit for the last 5 years. Since they took Haden and Ward in 2010, it's been a freaking disaster. We passed on Julio Jones and JJ Watt to take Phil Taylor- who's out of football. EDIT: forgot to mention the double busts Richardson & Wee-done. Next we take Barky Mingo, who's yet to live up to his draft status. 2014, we decide to take Justin Gilbert instead of Odell Beckham, and get our current Pipsqueak QB. I still have faint hope Manziel won't be total crap. I say you can't grade a player after just one year, but it's not like Sheldon and Erving are setting the league on fire. For your enjoyment, you can watch Erving getting knocked flat on his ass. Hey Joe T didn't get beat on that play.
I think some Internet wag put it- "The Browns are a couple of years away from being a couple of years away."
BTW, Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to ya.
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Hell's Bells hoorta that was the best tackle any Brown made all day. Leave the kid alone.
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JM will not change Pettines mind if Josh or both our still around so our opinion is not shit till Haslem speaks at season ends. Cardell Jones keep sliding back.
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JM will not change Pettines mind if Josh or both our still around so our opinion is not shit till Haslem speaks at season ends. Cardell Jones keep sliding back.
Cardell Jones keep sliding back.
For very good reasons. Drafting a falling QB just because they're falling or you like their size or both is how you end up with Brady Quinn, or Johnny Manziel, or Blaine Gabbert, or Brandon Weeden, or Colt McCoy or a bunch of other guys whose names we don't remember because they weren't good enough.
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VesnaKociper said:
Larry, have you been injecting Manitol Salt Agar into your veins? You are WONDERING IF PETTINE........???????????? Let me ask you bro, are you also wondering if you will wake up tomorrow and have a third testicle growing out of your taint? Are you wondering if Zombo will ever become a Steeler fan? Maybe you are wondering if Stan and I are ever going to be runway models for Hanes underwear?
Pettine is the Barney Fife of NFL coaches.
Even Lew Merletti wants to throw bottles at that cocksucker.
LOL Tom. If they shit-can Pettine the day after the season is over- believe me I won't get upset. We'll see if Ray the Farmer gets shown the door too. As was said, the Browns are shit because they've pretty much drafted like shit for the last 5 years. Since they took Haden and Ward in 2010, it's been a freaking disaster. We passed on Julio Jones and JJ Watt to take Phil Taylor- who's out of football. EDIT: forgot to mention the double busts Richardson & Wee-done. Next we take Barky Mingo, who's yet to live up to his draft status. 2014, we decide to take Justin Gilbert instead of Odell Beckham, and get our current Pipsqueak QB. I still have faint hope Manziel won't be total crap. I say you can't grade a player after just one year, but it's not like Sheldon and Erving are setting the league on fire. For your enjoyment, you can watch Erving getting knocked flat on his ass. Hey Joe T didn't get beat on that play.
I think some Internet wag put it- "The Browns are a couple of years away from being a couple of years away."
BTW, Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to ya.
LOL Tom. If they shit-can Pettine the day after the season is over- believe me I won't get upset. We'll see if Ray the Farmer gets shown the door too. As was said, the Browns are shit because they've pretty much drafted like shit for the last 5 years. Since they took Haden and Ward in 2010, it's been a freaking disaster. We passed on Julio Jones and JJ Watt to take Phil Taylor- who's out of football. EDIT: forgot to mention the double busts Richardson & Wee-done. Next we take Barky Mingo, who's yet to live up to his draft status. 2014, we decide to take Justin Gilbert instead of Odell Beckham, and get our current Pipsqueak QB. I still have faint hope Manziel won't be total crap. I say you can't grade a player after just one year, but it's not like Sheldon and Erving are setting the league on fire. For your enjoyment, you can watch Erving getting knocked flat on his ass. Hey Joe T didn't get beat on that play.
I think some Internet wag put it- "The Browns are a couple of years away from being a couple of years away."
BTW, Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to ya.
Um...I think I need a hug.
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On that play, notice how if Erving holds up, Crowell has an easy 5 yard gain before the LB meets him, and if he follows Mack's second level block, maybe even more, and that's before you consider him breaking a tackle.
Schematically, it looks like Mack's giving a little chip to help Erving win the initial battle before heading out to the second level - perhaps we need to change that to help Erving...
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On that play, notice how if Erving holds up, Crowell has an easy 5 yard gain before the LB meets him, and if he follows Mack's second level block, maybe even more, and that's before you consider him breaking a tackle.
Schematically, it looks like Mack's giving a little chip to help Erving win the initial battle before heading out to the second level - perhaps we need to change that to help Erving...
On that play, notice how if Erving holds up, Crowell has an easy 5 yard gain before the LB meets him, and if he follows Mack's second level block, maybe even more, and that's before you consider him breaking a tackle.
Schematically, it looks like Mack's giving a little chip to help Erving win the initial battle before heading out to the second level - perhaps we need to change that to help Erving...
Funny thing is, if Mack doesn't release to next level and just pounds Erving's guy, Crow's going to get positive yards. Is it possible that Mack screwed up? Was the play REALLY meant to have Erving one on one against that guy? If Mack brings the pain, Crow can shoot straight up and to the right for 3-5 yards.
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If you look at how the play develops, you can see Mack's just throwing a casual arm out there to help, but is straight away looking in to the next level.
What the assignment was we of course can't say - maybe Tour, who's looked at every running play we've made this season - can tell us if this is something out of the ordinary, but it's impossible to say for certain either way.
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VesnaKociper said:
Larry, have you been injecting Manitol Salt Agar into your veins? You are WONDERING IF PETTINE........???????????? Let me ask you bro, are you also wondering if you will wake up tomorrow and have a third testicle growing out of your taint? Are you wondering if Zombo will ever become a Steeler fan? Maybe you are wondering if Stan and I are ever going to be runway models for Hanes underwear?
Pettine is the Barney Fife of NFL coaches.
Even Lew Merletti wants to throw bottles at that cocksucker.
LOL Tom. If they shit-can Pettine the day after the season is over- believe me I won't get upset. We'll see if Ray the Farmer gets shown the door too. As was said, the Browns are shit because they've pretty much drafted like shit for the last 5 years. Since they took Haden and Ward in 2010, it's been a freaking disaster. We passed on Julio Jones and JJ Watt to take Phil Taylor- who's out of football. EDIT: forgot to mention the double busts Richardson & Wee-done. Next we take Barky Mingo, who's yet to live up to his draft status. 2014, we decide to take Justin Gilbert instead of Odell Beckham, and get our current Pipsqueak QB. I still have faint hope Manziel won't be total crap. I say you can't grade a player after just one year, but it's not like Sheldon and Erving are setting the league on fire. For your enjoyment, you can watch Erving getting knocked flat on his ass. Hey Joe T didn't get beat on that play.
I think some Internet wag put it- "The Browns are a couple of years away from being a couple of years away."
BTW, Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to ya.
LOL Tom. If they shit-can Pettine the day after the season is over- believe me I won't get upset. We'll see if Ray the Farmer gets shown the door too. As was said, the Browns are shit because they've pretty much drafted like shit for the last 5 years. Since they took Haden and Ward in 2010, it's been a freaking disaster. We passed on Julio Jones and JJ Watt to take Phil Taylor- who's out of football. EDIT: forgot to mention the double busts Richardson & Wee-done. Next we take Barky Mingo, who's yet to live up to his draft status. 2014, we decide to take Justin Gilbert instead of Odell Beckham, and get our current Pipsqueak QB. I still have faint hope Manziel won't be total crap. I say you can't grade a player after just one year, but it's not like Sheldon and Erving are setting the league on fire. For your enjoyment, you can watch Erving getting knocked flat on his ass. Hey Joe T didn't get beat on that play.
I think some Internet wag put it- "The Browns are a couple of years away from being a couple of years away."
BTW, Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to ya.
He would have a nice hole if Erving hadn't got blown up like a boy among men.
Don't know why they try that delayed draw so much though, get Crow going downhill and let him hit the hole.
Zombo
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Cant say JF has changed my mind....but it was never made up to begin with.....
Still waiting to be impressed, cause he just looks "ok" to me.....but much less depressed, at least, compared to how he started.....
Cant say JF has changed my mind....but it was never made up to begin with.....
Still waiting to be impressed, cause he just looks "ok" to me.....but much less depressed, at least, compared to how he started.....
That's a pretty good description to me. I think what gets me excited is the difference from last year. His rookie season was basically good for nothing, and he didn't get that much needed "rookie development" out of the way. What's worse, he really didn't get it THIS year either due to McCown starting so many games. As I previously stated, I see WHY Pettine did that, but it doesn't make sense for the long term. Throwing Manziel in against Seattle, K.C., and Pittsburgh isn't exactly a great way to evaluate a guy. At least we got San Fran, but there are many other games I would've loved to see Johnny play in. But honestly, does it matter when the defense gives up a 100 points a game?
I've seen enough of Johnny to know that I want to see more. And I DON'T want to take a QB in the top five of the draft. No way.
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I agree jiggins
How ironic it would be if the Browns prematurely trade him off to Dallas, which does have a truly excellent OL, and then have to watch him replace Mr. Brittle in the next 2-3 years.
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And, now, Thomas, Barnidge and Whitner are all stepping up for Coach Pettine.....
Waiting for the article about all the (unnamed sources)players who want him gone..... ...
Here's another one.....with a poll too.....
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I agree jiggins
How ironic it would be if the Browns prematurely trade him off to Dallas, which does have a truly excellent OL, and then have to watch him replace Mr. Brittle in the next 2-3 years.
I agree jiggins
How ironic it would be if the Browns prematurely trade him off to Dallas, which does have a truly excellent OL, and then have to watch him replace Mr. Brittle in the next 2-3 years.
Speaking of which Chris Mortensen just said on Sports Center that he thought Jerry Jones would try to get JM at a discount in the off season.
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This is all pretty common. You might hear some "unnamed sources" that start bickering, but generally the players will say they want the coaching staff to come back. I think the main reason is that they don't want to learn ALL NEW shit again, and they'd like to feel at least a little bit of continuity.
I'm not against Pettine coming back. He's a first time coach, and I'd like to see what he can do with some damn talent around him. Now, O'NEIL can go kick rocks, and honestly, I'd like to see Farmer gone. I can't bear the thought of that guy running another draft.
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