Jonathan Paul Manziel
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If you look at how the play develops, you can see Mack's just throwing a casual arm out there to help, but is straight away looking in to the next level.
What the assignment was we of course can't say - maybe Tour, who's looked at every running play we've made this season - can tell us if this is something out of the ordinary, but it's impossible to say for certain either way.
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VesnaKociper said:
Larry, have you been injecting Manitol Salt Agar into your veins? You are WONDERING IF PETTINE........???????????? Let me ask you bro, are you also wondering if you will wake up tomorrow and have a third testicle growing out of your taint? Are you wondering if Zombo will ever become a Steeler fan? Maybe you are wondering if Stan and I are ever going to be runway models for Hanes underwear?
Pettine is the Barney Fife of NFL coaches.
Even Lew Merletti wants to throw bottles at that cocksucker.
LOL Tom. If they shit-can Pettine the day after the season is over- believe me I won't get upset. We'll see if Ray the Farmer gets shown the door too. As was said, the Browns are shit because they've pretty much drafted like shit for the last 5 years. Since they took Haden and Ward in 2010, it's been a freaking disaster. We passed on Julio Jones and JJ Watt to take Phil Taylor- who's out of football. EDIT: forgot to mention the double busts Richardson & Wee-done. Next we take Barky Mingo, who's yet to live up to his draft status. 2014, we decide to take Justin Gilbert instead of Odell Beckham, and get our current Pipsqueak QB. I still have faint hope Manziel won't be total crap. I say you can't grade a player after just one year, but it's not like Sheldon and Erving are setting the league on fire. For your enjoyment, you can watch Erving getting knocked flat on his ass. Hey Joe T didn't get beat on that play.
I think some Internet wag put it- "The Browns are a couple of years away from being a couple of years away."
BTW, Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to ya.
LOL Tom. If they shit-can Pettine the day after the season is over- believe me I won't get upset. We'll see if Ray the Farmer gets shown the door too. As was said, the Browns are shit because they've pretty much drafted like shit for the last 5 years. Since they took Haden and Ward in 2010, it's been a freaking disaster. We passed on Julio Jones and JJ Watt to take Phil Taylor- who's out of football. EDIT: forgot to mention the double busts Richardson & Wee-done. Next we take Barky Mingo, who's yet to live up to his draft status. 2014, we decide to take Justin Gilbert instead of Odell Beckham, and get our current Pipsqueak QB. I still have faint hope Manziel won't be total crap. I say you can't grade a player after just one year, but it's not like Sheldon and Erving are setting the league on fire. For your enjoyment, you can watch Erving getting knocked flat on his ass. Hey Joe T didn't get beat on that play.
I think some Internet wag put it- "The Browns are a couple of years away from being a couple of years away."
BTW, Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to ya.
He would have a nice hole if Erving hadn't got blown up like a boy among men.
Don't know why they try that delayed draw so much though, get Crow going downhill and let him hit the hole.
Zombo
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Cant say JF has changed my mind....but it was never made up to begin with.....
Still waiting to be impressed, cause he just looks "ok" to me.....but much less depressed, at least, compared to how he started.....
Cant say JF has changed my mind....but it was never made up to begin with.....
Still waiting to be impressed, cause he just looks "ok" to me.....but much less depressed, at least, compared to how he started.....
That's a pretty good description to me. I think what gets me excited is the difference from last year. His rookie season was basically good for nothing, and he didn't get that much needed "rookie development" out of the way. What's worse, he really didn't get it THIS year either due to McCown starting so many games. As I previously stated, I see WHY Pettine did that, but it doesn't make sense for the long term. Throwing Manziel in against Seattle, K.C., and Pittsburgh isn't exactly a great way to evaluate a guy. At least we got San Fran, but there are many other games I would've loved to see Johnny play in. But honestly, does it matter when the defense gives up a 100 points a game?
I've seen enough of Johnny to know that I want to see more. And I DON'T want to take a QB in the top five of the draft. No way.
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I agree jiggins
How ironic it would be if the Browns prematurely trade him off to Dallas, which does have a truly excellent OL, and then have to watch him replace Mr. Brittle in the next 2-3 years.
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And, now, Thomas, Barnidge and Whitner are all stepping up for Coach Pettine.....
Waiting for the article about all the (unnamed sources)players who want him gone..... ...
Here's another one.....with a poll too.....
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I agree jiggins
How ironic it would be if the Browns prematurely trade him off to Dallas, which does have a truly excellent OL, and then have to watch him replace Mr. Brittle in the next 2-3 years.
I agree jiggins
How ironic it would be if the Browns prematurely trade him off to Dallas, which does have a truly excellent OL, and then have to watch him replace Mr. Brittle in the next 2-3 years.
Speaking of which Chris Mortensen just said on Sports Center that he thought Jerry Jones would try to get JM at a discount in the off season.
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This is all pretty common. You might hear some "unnamed sources" that start bickering, but generally the players will say they want the coaching staff to come back. I think the main reason is that they don't want to learn ALL NEW shit again, and they'd like to feel at least a little bit of continuity.
I'm not against Pettine coming back. He's a first time coach, and I'd like to see what he can do with some damn talent around him. Now, O'NEIL can go kick rocks, and honestly, I'd like to see Farmer gone. I can't bear the thought of that guy running another draft.
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They don't want to be viewed in a bad light by the new coach.
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Is it too surprising that the players would say they want Pettine back.....and actually mean it.
Sorry, but it seems that these players, especially the veterans have been give a cakewalk. All reports were that Pettine ran a cream puff training camp.....and gives the vets days off even during the most critical parts of the week when the team is trying to install its game plan.
Maybe that is why they seem so unprepared.
And as long as the paychecks come rolling in....why would these guys want things tougher on themselves?
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I agree jiggins
How ironic it would be if the Browns prematurely trade him off to Dallas, which does have a truly excellent OL, and then have to watch him replace Mr. Brittle in the next 2-3 years.
Speaking of which Chris Mortensen just said on Sports Center that he thought Jerry Jones would try to get JM at a discount in the off season.
Speaking of which Chris Mortensen just said on Sports Center that he thought Jerry Jones would try to get JM at a discount in the off season.
Well, that is more evidence of the stupidity of JJ.....he would have to pay more since he announced that he wants him.
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If you look at how the play develops, you can see Mack's just throwing a casual arm out there to help, but is straight away looking in to the next level.
What the assignment was we of course can't say - maybe Tour, who's looked at every running play we've made this season - can tell us if this is something out of the ordinary, but it's impossible to say for certain either way.
Discount? AS in only a 2nd rounder?
If you look at how the play develops, you can see Mack's just throwing a casual arm out there to help, but is straight away looking in to the next level.
What the assignment was we of course can't say - maybe Tour, who's looked at every running play we've made this season - can tell us if this is something out of the ordinary, but it's impossible to say for certain either way.
Why do I feel like the Browns OL equivalent of Life cereal Mikey?
Like I said repeatedly when I was grading, there was often a single failure... this is a great case.
Look at Erving... his set is not bad here. He's not too high. Waist bend is a bit much, but that yields rips not getting bulled on your ass... and while Heyward is damn good, he's not that much of a beast, and Erving is not that weak. Check Erving's stance and while a bit wide... whoa... there it is!
Look closely and you will see that Mack stepped on Cam's right foot... Cam was in the process of setting in a passpro look to escort Heyward's inside rush harmlessly to the inside. Erving's wide feet contributed, but Mack's were as wide or wider.
This draw was supposed to go between Cam and Joe T. and then to the left from there. Mack's set up, looking to seal off the inside, after he released says the later. The free rusher outside Joe T. and the unaccounted for Safety at top right (Allen #20) takeaway the Off tackle left and RG paths respectively.
So Mack can stay on the double team, but Allen will fill... not to mention the LB Greco overruns after releasing. In Greco's defense he is anticipating the LB pursuing to the left.
My guess is that Mack's chip was designed to sell the pass look and invite Heyward to fight the double-team. If Heyward does so, then his inside path is more assured, but instead he has a Clowney moment thanks to a stepped on foot.
Had the foot not been stepped upon? Not sure Joe sustained his block long enough for Crow to get cleanly by without Joe holding. Joe's rusher shaded inside just enough... probably because of the outside blitz.
As for why the draw? My guess is down and distance.
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I hear this ^^ and I hear people complaining about poor tackling and miss timed passing routes etc.....
But here is the truth.....4 years ago the CBA eliminated 5 weeks of practice.....it eliminated 2 a days....it eliminated the right for players to use the facility during the off season.....it eliminated CONTACT from practice, except for 1 hr per week.....and it eliminated afternoons from training camp....
So....they cannot practice tackling....and only get about 10-15 minutes a day to work on contact drills.....thats it.....
So its up to the players to know how to tackle, etc.....and its up to the players to train on their own in the off season....and by giving guys like Joe Thomas and Karlos Dansby an occassional day off(guys who ALWAYS perform, btw) ....it allows some of the younger guys and guys struggling to get the very few reps that are available.....
I honstly dont think people realize that since 2011, practice time has been cut by almost 70%....and contact has been cut even more.....
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And, now, Thomas, Barnidge and Whitner are all stepping up for Coach Pettine.....
Waiting for the article about all the (unnamed sources)players who want him gone..... ...
Here's another one.....with a poll too.....
And, now, Thomas, Barnidge and Whitner are all stepping up for Coach Pettine.....
Waiting for the article about all the (unnamed sources)players who want him gone..... ...
Here's another one.....with a poll too.....
& if you voted in the poll it's about nine to one Farmer is the culprit.
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I hear this ^^ and I hear people complaining about poor tackling and miss timed passing routes etc.....
But here is the truth.....4 years ago the CBA eliminated 5 weeks of practice.....it eliminated 2 a days....it eliminated the right for players to use the facility during the off season.....it eliminated CONTACT from practice, except for 1 hr per week.....and it eliminated afternoons from training camp....
So....they cannot practice tackling....and only get about 10-15 minutes a day to work on contact drills.....thats it.....
So its up to the players to know how to tackle, etc.....and its up to the players to train on their own in the off season....and by giving guys like Joe Thomas and Karlos Dansby an occassional day off(guys who ALWAYS perform, btw) ....it allows some of the younger guys and guys struggling to get the very few reps that are available.....
I honstly dont think people realize that since 2011, practice time has been cut by almost 70%....and contact has been cut even more.....
I hear this ^^ and I hear people complaining about poor tackling and miss timed passing routes etc.....
But here is the truth.....4 years ago the CBA eliminated 5 weeks of practice.....it eliminated 2 a days....it eliminated the right for players to use the facility during the off season.....it eliminated CONTACT from practice, except for 1 hr per week.....and it eliminated afternoons from training camp....
So....they cannot practice tackling....and only get about 10-15 minutes a day to work on contact drills.....thats it.....
So its up to the players to know how to tackle, etc.....and its up to the players to train on their own in the off season....and by giving guys like Joe Thomas and Karlos Dansby an occassional day off(guys who ALWAYS perform, btw) ....it allows some of the younger guys and guys struggling to get the very few reps that are available.....
I honstly dont think people realize that since 2011, practice time has been cut by almost 70%....and contact has been cut even more.....
And the game has suffered for it in my opinion.
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LOL Tom. If they shit-can Pettine the day after the season is over- believe me I won't get upset. We'll see if Ray the Farmer gets shown the door too. As was said, the Browns are shit because they've pretty much drafted like shit for the last 5 years. Since they took Haden and Ward in 2010, it's been a freaking disaster. We passed on Julio Jones and JJ Watt to take Phil Taylor- who's out of football. EDIT: forgot to mention the double busts Richardson & Wee-done. Next we take Barky Mingo, who's yet to live up to his draft status. 2014, we decide to take Justin Gilbert instead of Odell Beckham, and get our current Pipsqueak QB. I still have faint hope Manziel won't be total crap. I say you can't grade a player after just one year, but it's not like Sheldon and Erving are setting the league on fire. For your enjoyment, you can watch Erving getting knocked flat on his ass. Hey Joe T didn't get beat on that play.
I think some Internet wag put it- "The Browns are a couple of years away from being a couple of years away."
BTW, Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to ya.
Um...I think I need a hug.
Um...I think I need a hug.
You could say based on statistical odds, a blind monkey throwing darts at a draft board should hit 25% getting a great player in the first round, and a pretty good one another 20% of the time.Well, that is more evidence of the stupidity of JJ.....he would have to pay more since he announced that he wants him.
Not only that Gip- IIRC, it could be construed as tampering.
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Um...I think I need a hug.
You could say based on statistical odds, a blind monkey throwing darts at a draft board should hit 25% getting a great player in the first round, and a pretty good one another 20% of the time.Well, that is more evidence of the stupidity of JJ.....he would have to pay more since he announced that he wants him.
Not only that Gip- IIRC, it could be construed as tampering.
You could say based on statistical odds, a blind monkey throwing darts at a draft board should hit 25% getting a great player in the first round, and a pretty good one another 20% of the time.Not only that Gip- IIRC, it could be construed as tampering.
Maybe we can get a draft pick out of them.....and not even give up JFF!
Can a team lose a draft pick for violating the tampering rule? And if they do can that pick be given to the team that owned the player they tampered with?
That should be the rule......it would sure put a complete end to any tampering, wouldn't it.
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I hear this ^^ and I hear people complaining about poor tackling and miss timed passing routes etc.....
But here is the truth.....4 years ago the CBA eliminated 5 weeks of practice.....it eliminated 2 a days....it eliminated the right for players to use the facility during the off season.....it eliminated CONTACT from practice, except for 1 hr per week.....and it eliminated afternoons from training camp....
So....they cannot practice tackling....and only get about 10-15 minutes a day to work on contact drills.....thats it.....
So its up to the players to know how to tackle, etc.....and its up to the players to train on their own in the off season....and by giving guys like Joe Thomas and Karlos Dansby an occassional day off(guys who ALWAYS perform, btw) ....it allows some of the younger guys and guys struggling to get the very few reps that are available.....
I honstly dont think people realize that since 2011, practice time has been cut by almost 70%....and contact has been cut even more.....
And the game has suffered for it in my opinion.
And the game has suffered for it in my opinion.
Agreed......there are a million articles on it and some are pretty interesting....one of the ones I read had bunch of players(not Browns) laughing and talking about how easy practices have become....like its a joke...
It was supposed to diminish injuries, but some studies are showing an increase in certain injuries like muscle strains, ligament damage, etc......and they are implying its due to less "full speed" training.....(can you say hamstring?)...anyway...it is what it is and its showing up in a lot of ways.....
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And, now, Thomas, Barnidge and Whitner are all stepping up for Coach Pettine.....
Waiting for the article about all the (unnamed sources)players who want him gone..... ...
Here's another one.....with a poll too.....
& if you voted in the poll it's about nine to one Farmer is the culprit.
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