Interesting question
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Pretty simple you save the pet and no religion needed.
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I have two dachshunds I love to pieces and I can tell you if possible I would save a human life over them without question or hesitation at any time.
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I have two dachshunds I love to pieces and I can tell you if possible I would save a human life over them without question or hesitation at any time.
I have two dachshunds I love to pieces and I can tell you if possible I would save a human life over them without question or hesitation at any time.
I'm pretty sure the key to the fellows question was without religion how could you make that choice?
WSS
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I have two dachshunds I love to pieces and I can tell you if possible I would save a human life over them without question or hesitation at any time.
I'm pretty sure the key to the fellows question was without religion how could you make that choice?
WSS
I'm pretty sure the key to the fellows question was without religion how could you make that choice?
WSS
Same way. Even without religion I would place the value of a human life way above an animal, even a pet.
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I'm pretty sure the key to the fellows question was without religion how could you make that choice?
WSS
Same way. Even without religion I would place the value of a human life way above an animal, even a pet.
Same way. Even without religion I would place the value of a human life way above an animal, even a pet.
Why?
I'm not being a dick and neither was he but...
I love my cat, that guy means nothing to me. See what I'm getting at?
WSS
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Same way. Even without religion I would place the value of a human life way above an animal, even a pet.
Why?
I'm not being a dick and neither was he but...
I love my cat, that guy means nothing to me. See what I'm getting at?
WSS
Why?
I'm not being a dick and neither was he but...
I love my cat, that guy means nothing to me. See what I'm getting at?
WSS
That stranger is someone else's son, or father, or brother. My conscience would never allow an animal to take priority over a human life. Even with religion out of the picture humans have consciences.
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Without religion there are no morals. No idea of right and wrong.
So I'd have to say I'd let both drown.
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morals?
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Why?
I'm not being a dick and neither was he but...
I love my cat, that guy means nothing to me. See what I'm getting at?
WSS
That stranger is someone else's son, or father, or brother. My conscience would never allow an animal to take priority over a human life. Even with religion out of the picture humans have consciences.
That stranger is someone else's son, or father, or brother. My conscience would never allow an animal to take priority over a human life. Even with religion out of the picture humans have consciences.
So conscience is innate not learned?
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Didn't say without ideologies so if the person was a liberal I'd save the pet.
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That stranger is someone else's son, or father, or brother. My conscience would never allow an animal to take priority over a human life. Even with religion out of the picture humans have consciences.
So conscience is innate not learned?
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So conscience is innate not learned?
WSS
I believe so. We all experience pain and pleasure and can empathize with others. These are all innate traits of the species. Religion IMO is of secondary relevance to the question. It would be heart-wrenching especially as I love my dog but I think I'd have to save the human.
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That stranger is someone else's son, or father, or brother. My conscience would never allow an animal to take priority over a human life. Even with religion out of the picture humans have consciences.
So conscience is innate not learned?
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So conscience is innate not learned?
WSS
Perhaps both. I do believe we get shaped by our environments and circumstances as well.
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Depends on the person.
Are we talking Jeffrey Dahmer or a big chested brunette.
Typically I'd say saving the person is a no brainer. If they were like 80 years old I may opt for the pet though.
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The way I heard it framed it is a stranger.
WSS
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Be reasonable.
If the stranger is a hot chick you save her.
Kidding of course.
Save the stranger. In the court of law it might be negligent to choose an animal over human life. The courts are based around religion so that would be the deal breaker.
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A kid is a no brainer. I guess I'd save an adult too but more reluctantly.
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And Cysko that's the heart of the question.
The stranger means nothing to you, the dog has been your friend for years who count on you and loves you and trusts you and would probably give his life to protect you.
If you never saw the stranger again or if he got run over by a bus next week you wouldn't care. Losing your dog would break your heart for a long time.
And there is no natural reason for you to behave otherwise than save your friend the dog.
Why would you behave in an unnatural manner, hurting yourself?
And think about it whether you call it religion or philosophy or some vague moral set of made up rules it's all about denying what you want for some ethereal higher power.
WSS
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Steve Buscemi the dachshund is family. That little dog would undoubtably take a bullet for me.
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And Cysko that's the heart of the question.
The stranger means nothing to you, the dog has been your friend for years who count on you and loves you and trusts you and would probably give his life to protect you.
If you never saw the stranger again or if he got run over by a bus next week you wouldn't care. Losing your dog would break your heart for a long time.
And there is no natural reason for you to behave otherwise than save your friend the dog.
Why would you behave in an unnatural manner, hurting yourself?
And think about it whether you call it religion or philosophy or some vague moral set of made up rules it's all about denying what you want for some ethereal higher power.
WSS
And Cysko that's the heart of the question.
The stranger means nothing to you, the dog has been your friend for years who count on you and loves you and trusts you and would probably give his life to protect you.
If you never saw the stranger again or if he got run over by a bus next week you wouldn't care. Losing your dog would break your heart for a long time.
And there is no natural reason for you to behave otherwise than save your friend the dog.
Why would you behave in an unnatural manner, hurting yourself?
And think about it whether you call it religion or philosophy or some vague moral set of made up rules it's all about denying what you want for some ethereal higher power.
WSS
What is natural for some is not for others. Some view pets as family members, some as property and others view them as tools.
I don't think it's unnatural to save a family member over a stranger.
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And Cysko that's the heart of the question.
The stranger means nothing to you, the dog has been your friend for years who count on you and loves you and trusts you and would probably give his life to protect you.
If you never saw the stranger again or if he got run over by a bus next week you wouldn't care. Losing your dog would break your heart for a long time.
And there is no natural reason for you to behave otherwise than save your friend the dog.
Why would you behave in an unnatural manner, hurting yourself?
And think about it whether you call it religion or philosophy or some vague moral set of made up rules it's all about denying what you want for some ethereal higher power.
WSS
What is natural for some is not for others. Some view pets as family members, some as property and others view them as tools.
I don't think it's unnatural to save a family member over a stranger.
What is natural for some is not for others. Some view pets as family members, some as property and others view them as tools.
I don't think it's unnatural to save a family member over a stranger.
Exactly my point Bacon.
Saving a creature very close to you would be the natural thing to do.
To let him die would be to defy nature.
WSS
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