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  • morals?

    WSS

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  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan

    @westside-steve said:

    Why?

    I'm not being a dick and neither was he but...

    I love my cat, that guy means nothing to me. See what I'm getting at?

    WSS

    That stranger is someone else's son, or father, or brother. My conscience would never allow an animal to take priority over a human life. Even with religion out of the picture humans have consciences.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    That stranger is someone else's son, or father, or brother. My conscience would never allow an animal to take priority over a human life. Even with religion out of the picture humans have consciences.

    So conscience is innate not learned?

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  • Stuart

    Didn't say without ideologies so if the person was a liberal I'd save the pet.

  • W Westside Steve

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    That stranger is someone else's son, or father, or brother. My conscience would never allow an animal to take priority over a human life. Even with religion out of the picture humans have consciences.

    So conscience is innate not learned?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    So conscience is innate not learned?

    WSS

    I believe so. We all experience pain and pleasure and can empathize with others. These are all innate traits of the species. Religion IMO is of secondary relevance to the question. It would be heart-wrenching especially as I love my dog but I think I'd have to save the human.

    "I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta
  • W Westside Steve

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    That stranger is someone else's son, or father, or brother. My conscience would never allow an animal to take priority over a human life. Even with religion out of the picture humans have consciences.

    So conscience is innate not learned?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    So conscience is innate not learned?

    WSS

    Perhaps both. I do believe we get shaped by our environments and circumstances as well.

  • Depends on the person.

    Are we talking Jeffrey Dahmer or a big chested brunette.

    Typically I'd say saving the person is a no brainer. If they were like 80 years old I may opt for the pet though.

  • The way I heard it framed it is a stranger.

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  • Be reasonable.

    If the stranger is a hot chick you save her.

    Kidding of course.

    Save the stranger. In the court of law it might be negligent to choose an animal over human life. The courts are based around religion so that would be the deal breaker.

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  • A kid is a no brainer. I guess I'd save an adult too but more reluctantly.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • And Cysko that's the heart of the question.

    The stranger means nothing to you, the dog has been your friend for years who count on you and loves you and trusts you and would probably give his life to protect you.

    If you never saw the stranger again or if he got run over by a bus next week you wouldn't care. Losing your dog would break your heart for a long time.

    And there is no natural reason for you to behave otherwise than save your friend the dog.

    Why would you behave in an unnatural manner, hurting yourself?

    And think about it whether you call it religion or philosophy or some vague moral set of made up rules it's all about denying what you want for some ethereal higher power.

    WSS

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  • Steve Buscemi the dachshund is family. That little dog would undoubtably take a bullet for me.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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  • W Westside Steve

    And Cysko that's the heart of the question.

    The stranger means nothing to you, the dog has been your friend for years who count on you and loves you and trusts you and would probably give his life to protect you.

    If you never saw the stranger again or if he got run over by a bus next week you wouldn't care. Losing your dog would break your heart for a long time.

    And there is no natural reason for you to behave otherwise than save your friend the dog.

    Why would you behave in an unnatural manner, hurting yourself?

    And think about it whether you call it religion or philosophy or some vague moral set of made up rules it's all about denying what you want for some ethereal higher power.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    And Cysko that's the heart of the question.

    The stranger means nothing to you, the dog has been your friend for years who count on you and loves you and trusts you and would probably give his life to protect you.

    If you never saw the stranger again or if he got run over by a bus next week you wouldn't care. Losing your dog would break your heart for a long time.

    And there is no natural reason for you to behave otherwise than save your friend the dog.

    Why would you behave in an unnatural manner, hurting yourself?

    And think about it whether you call it religion or philosophy or some vague moral set of made up rules it's all about denying what you want for some ethereal higher power.

    WSS

    What is natural for some is not for others. Some view pets as family members, some as property and others view them as tools.

    I don't think it's unnatural to save a family member over a stranger.

  • B BaconHound

    @westside-steve said:

    And Cysko that's the heart of the question.

    The stranger means nothing to you, the dog has been your friend for years who count on you and loves you and trusts you and would probably give his life to protect you.

    If you never saw the stranger again or if he got run over by a bus next week you wouldn't care. Losing your dog would break your heart for a long time.

    And there is no natural reason for you to behave otherwise than save your friend the dog.

    Why would you behave in an unnatural manner, hurting yourself?

    And think about it whether you call it religion or philosophy or some vague moral set of made up rules it's all about denying what you want for some ethereal higher power.

    WSS

    What is natural for some is not for others. Some view pets as family members, some as property and others view them as tools.

    I don't think it's unnatural to save a family member over a stranger.

    @baconhound said:

    What is natural for some is not for others. Some view pets as family members, some as property and others view them as tools.

    I don't think it's unnatural to save a family member over a stranger.

    Exactly my point Bacon.

    Saving a creature very close to you would be the natural thing to do.

    To let him die would be to defy nature.

    WSS

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  • I would save my pet. I will be that asshole.

    Call it misanthropy but my dog has done me more solids and is willing to have my back way more than a random stranger.

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  • Dog.

  • What kind of dumbass dog can't swim? Wtf does a dog that can't swim deserve to live?

    :neutral_face:
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  • The dog.

    If your religious your going to end up in a better place and it was god's will. Thats what I'd tell his family anyway when I walk my dog every morning.

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  • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares

    I would save my pet. I will be that asshole.

    Call it misanthropy but my dog has done me more solids and is willing to have my back way more than a random stranger.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    I would save my pet. I will be that asshole.

    Call it misanthropy but my dog has done me more solids and is willing to have my back way more than a random stranger.

    I bet your dog has done plenty of solids.

    To be honest, if my pet were drowning, I wouldn't even see the guy most likely. I'm going for my dog first, who can probably get himself to safety with my help (maybe a push in the right direction) and then try to get to the other guy.

  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    Without religion there are no morals. No idea of right and wrong.

    So I'd have to say I'd let both drown.

    @mld-woody said:

    Without religion there are no morals. No idea of right and wrong.

    So I'd have to say I'd let both drown.

    attaboy, shit all over this cool story from wss. 😁

    W 1 Reply
  • T The Cysko Kid

    Steve Buscemi the dachshund is family. That little dog would undoubtably take a bullet for me.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Steve Buscemi the dachshund is family. That little dog would undoubtably take a bullet for me.

    As much of a dick as you are sometimes, I will always have a soft spot for you that you named your dachshund steve buscemi. I roll everytime you bring him up. When you're mad at him do you yell out "Steven Vincent Buscemi"? I would lose it completely if I heard someone say that to their little dachshund.

    as per the story, reluctantly i'd have to say the pet. Unless it's Walter or Stuart than there's no reluctance whatsoever....i'm probably giving them the finger and trolling them as i'm power backstroking for my pet.

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