So..
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That's 2. Any others?
The Ravens didn't really contend until they got Flacco.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
I mean if there's a sure fire guy yeah you absolutely take him. But how often is that and you need to be able to evaluate talent which we cannot do.
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And the Bengals Dalton and the Pats Brady and the Seahawks...
Point is that they kept looking...
Prior to Flacco the Ravens drafted a QB 7 of the 12 prior years. Since then... twice in 7 years. The priority changes; the emphasis changes, but they kept looking and they keep looking..
Teams not waiting for a QB until last?
Bucs, Titans, Jags, Oakland, Indy, Washington, CAR
Teams that waited and are still waiting:
Philly, Houston, NYJ, BUF
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That's 2. Any others?
The Ravens didn't really contend until they got Flacco.
The Ravens didn't really contend until they got Flacco.
They won a SB before Flacco was there
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The Ravens didn't really contend until they got Flacco.
They won a SB before Flacco was there
True, 8 years prior to drafting Flacco.They won a SB before Flacco was there
The Stoolers were 9 years removed from a SB before drafting the Rapist.
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Well I don't know. I'm no professional all I know is we've been garbage from top to bottom for far to long. And I have no anwser.
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Point is that that if you have a new regime drafting who they want and releasing who aren't their guys keeps you treading water in the same place.
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VesnaKociper said:
There is NOTHING WRONG with drafting an OL in the first round. Paul Brown was against it and only drafted one... Munoz.
True... unless you count the other first round OL he took...
Like Dave Rimmington...
... and Vern Holland...
... and Bob Johnson...
... and Kurt Buris...
... and John Bauer...
but other than them... true...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Nothing like a 3-win season to bring out the pussies.
I can't even imagine how miserable you guys are in real life.
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VesnaKociper said:
There is NOTHING WRONG with drafting an OL in the first round. Paul Brown was against it and only drafted one... Munoz.
True... unless you count the other first round OL he took...
Like Dave Rimmington...
... and Vern Holland...
... and Bob Johnson...
... and Kurt Buris...
... and John Bauer...
but other than them... true...
True... unless you count the other first round OL he took...Like Dave Rimmington...... and Vern Holland...... and Bob Johnson...... and Kurt Buris...... and John Bauer...but other than them... true...
Don't let the facts get in the way of stupidity
He also said the Browns only NFL title was in 1964
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The Jets are 10-5..because of Fitzpatrick right? I know Johnny is probably not the answer but anyone who thinks a quarterback will fix this team is delusional. We need to keep attempting to build this team before we draft a quarterback.
QB as the last piece is the hardest path to follow.
IF there is a Rnd 1 worthy prospect in this year's draft, I say take him.
If not, then take a later prospect.
Either way, you have to keep looking for your next QB... especially when he is not on your roster. And I do not think he is...
QB as the last piece is the hardest path to follow.
IF there is a Rnd 1 worthy prospect in this year's draft, I say take him.
If not, then take a later prospect.
Either way, you have to keep looking for your next QB... especially when he is not on your roster. And I do not think he is...
For me this could be settled by waiting another year and I have two reasons to do so. First I just do not see a great one coming out this year that makes me think, "Clear #1 QB". And second by delaying a year we get to at least watch an entertaining QB prove one way or another through a whole season whether he really is the right guy or not. Either way get the QB some weapons (Bowe in at the end? Really?) this coming draft. Then find the right guy if he isn't on the roster already. And forget McCown as the starter. Roll with the guy you thought might have it and see what happens in a full season. Today was not his best day for sure, but we were still in it at the end against a team trying to get in the playoffs.
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QB as the last piece is the hardest path to follow.
IF there is a Rnd 1 worthy prospect in this year's draft, I say take him.
If not, then take a later prospect.
Either way, you have to keep looking for your next QB... especially when he is not on your roster. And I do not think he is...
For me this could be settled by waiting another year and I have two reasons to do so. First I just do not see a great one coming out this year that makes me think, "Clear #1 QB". And second by delaying a year we get to at least watch an entertaining QB prove one way or another through a whole season whether he really is the right guy or not. Either way get the QB some weapons (Bowe in at the end? Really?) this coming draft. Then find the right guy if he isn't on the roster already. And forget McCown as the starter. Roll with the guy you thought might have it and see what happens in a full season. Today was not his best day for sure, but we were still in it at the end against a team trying to get in the playoffs.
Roll with the guy you thought might have it and see what happens in a full season. Today was not his best day for sure, but we were still in it at the end against a team trying to get in the playoffs.
I'm not sure it's really whether he "might" have it. I think his mechanics suck and seem to be getting worse and i don't know for sure if they will ever get better. His intangibles are unquestioned but his accuracy is atrocious.
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Roll with the guy you thought might have it and see what happens in a full season. Today was not his best day for sure, but we were still in it at the end against a team trying to get in the playoffs.
I'm not sure it's really whether he "might" have it. I think his mechanics suck and seem to be getting worse and i don't know for sure if they will ever get better. His intangibles are unquestioned but his accuracy is atrocious.
I'm not sure it's really whether he "might" have it. I think his mechanics suck and seem to be getting worse and i don't know for sure if they will ever get better. His intangibles are unquestioned but his accuracy is atrocious.
And Aaron Rogers got creamed today as well and was nowhere near being in it at the end. Should they can him?
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I'm not sure it's really whether he "might" have it. I think his mechanics suck and seem to be getting worse and i don't know for sure if they will ever get better. His intangibles are unquestioned but his accuracy is atrocious.
And Aaron Rogers got creamed today as well and was nowhere near being in it at the end. Should they can him?
And Aaron Rogers got creamed today as well and was nowhere near being in it at the end. Should they can him?
Aaron Rogers has a super bowl ring and multiple playoff wins. Seriously comparing Rogers to Manziel? C'mon...I know you're a fan of his but be real here. His mechanics are dreadful.
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True, 8 years prior to drafting Flacco.They won a SB before Flacco was there
The Stoolers were 9 years removed from a SB before drafting the Rapist.
True, 8 years prior to drafting Flacco.
The Stoolers were 9 years removed from a SB before drafting the Rapist.
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And we are 50 years removed...
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That's 2. Any others?
Joe flacco, Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, Andy Dalton
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I hope they keep all three quarterbacks and draft WIDE RECEIVERS. Manziel had no one to throw to today or any day for that matter. When Benjamin can't get open the play is a bust or he runs with it. And they must commit to the run game in the off season. No team makes it very far without the running game. They need to draft receivers, running backs, weapons period.
Teams,who have a dominant running game win. It's a simple formula. I don't know why we haven't been able to get it goingbut look at all the running backs we've dumped in the last couple years! Ben Tate, Dion Lewis, Terence West, Shaun Draghn, Bobby Rainey,
Why can't they draft some big play makers. Sheesh!
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QB as the last piece is the hardest path to follow.
IF there is a Rnd 1 worthy prospect in this year's draft, I say take him.
If not, then take a later prospect.
Either way, you have to keep looking for your next QB... especially when he is not on your roster. And I do not think he is...
For me this could be settled by waiting another year and I have two reasons to do so. First I just do not see a great one coming out this year that makes me think, "Clear #1 QB". And second by delaying a year we get to at least watch an entertaining QB prove one way or another through a whole season whether he really is the right guy or not. Either way get the QB some weapons (Bowe in at the end? Really?) this coming draft. Then find the right guy if he isn't on the roster already. And forget McCown as the starter. Roll with the guy you thought might have it and see what happens in a full season. Today was not his best day for sure, but we were still in it at the end against a team trying to get in the playoffs.
For me this could be settled by waiting another year and I have two reasons to do so. First I just do not see a great one coming out this year that makes me think, "Clear #1 QB". And second by delaying a year we get to at least watch an entertaining QB prove one way or another through a whole season whether he really is the right guy or not. Either way get the QB some weapons (Bowe in at the end? Really?) this coming draft. Then find the right guy if he isn't on the roster already. And forget McCown as the starter. Roll with the guy you thought might have it and see what happens in a full season. Today was not his best day for sure, but we were still in it at the end against a team trying to get in the playoffs.
We need weapons! By now opponents are wise to Benjamin and Barnidge. Without a sound running game the offense is one of the worst in the league. Teams know not to defend the run and come after the quarterback on every play! Farmer better draft offensive weapons. If he doesn't there's no reason to believe they'll get any better.
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QB as the last piece is the hardest path to follow.IF there is a Rnd 1 worthy prospect in this year's draft, I say take him.If not, then take a later prospect.Either way, you have to keep looking for your next QB... especially when he is not on your roster. And I do not think he is...
How many teams have been built without a good Qb,and then plugged in a good Qb and won?
Kurt Warner and the Rams come to mind, but that's about it.
Most good teams have good Qb's
How many teams have been built without a good Qb,and then plugged in a good Qb and won?
Ummm... most of them.
They built defenses, first, starting with D-line and LBs.
Then offenses with good running games, starting with O-line.
Then they added the play makers - QB and WR.
Virtually NO one drafted a QB - with nothing else on their team - and played him as a rookie and won anything.
And let's not forget our very own Browns team in the '80s/'90s under Shottenheimer... QB was the last piece...
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