Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Pettine said in his press conference that this was a step forward for Manziel, I'm on board now fire his ass.
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did you see the stat line?
http://m.clevelandbrowns.com/s/35610/201?itemUri=-1861016346/1111039910010158131315212130
Johnny Manziel is a fucking stud. he's "getting it". i am proud of the Kid--many seem to overlook that he's still young as hell--it matters. he also has low miles, a high FB IQ, fire. he is a natural, has seemingly unltd moxie...like a fiesty squirmy lump of clay with intangible HOF potential.
admit these are some tough ass games, and with only 6 starts we are competitive. San Diego, Denver, Balt2, K.C...in a vacuum next year these would all be wins.
yes, he leaves a ton of plays on the field. but he is also a down converting beast when it's do or die.
to me i feel he is getting better every game. once the game slows down and the playbook becomes second nature it's gonna get crazy in Cleveland. my biggest concern is durability: the AFCN is hell on QB's.
there's probably more than a million people who believe in him, and fwiw i am one of them. give him weapons, reps, and continuity and get the hell out of his way.
i hope they do go ahead and draft Paxton cuz chances are it would just make Johnny better. they have a Heath Miller, but they are missing a Jordan Cameron...Dray just drops too many balls.
year 2 w a healthy Hartline, Benjamin and Barnidge is gonna be huge. Hawkins and Gabriel are invisible, it's time to focus on Pryor full time imo.
Barnidge, Pryor, Moore and Gordon blocking on running plays? who needs a fullback w those mismatches??? combining that with play action Johnny could take over the league in 2016.
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Manziel is horrible. Literally horrible. 13 out of 32? Take Paxton Lynch and move on from this assclown.
Throws were open and he didnt see them or missed them.
I'm sorry, but this is the NFL. You can run around like Steve Young if you can pass like Steve Young, but if you pass like Johnny Manziel you are nothing but a poor man's Doug Flutie. Fuck that.
Z
Zombo said:
Manziel is horrible. Literally horrible. 13 out of 32? Take Paxton Lynch and move on from this assclown.
Throws were open and he didnt see them or missed them.
I'm sorry, but this is the NFL. You can run around like Steve Young if you can pass like Steve Young, but if you pass like Johnny Manziel you are nothing but a poor man's Doug Flutie. Fuck that.
Z
Our resident genius analyst.
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Zombo said:
Manziel is horrible. Literally horrible. 13 out of 32? Take Paxton Lynch and move on from this assclown.
Throws were open and he didnt see them or missed them.
I'm sorry, but this is the NFL. You can run around like Steve Young if you can pass like Steve Young, but if you pass like Johnny Manziel you are nothing but a poor man's Doug Flutie. Fuck that.
Z
Our resident genius analyst.
Our resident genius analyst.
Ok, should we revisit this in two years, or do you want to tell me right now where my analysis is wrong?
Please don't start with the guards. Name all of the teams with Pro Bowl Left Tackles and Centers and tell me why their 5'11 quarterback can't throw an out to save his life.
Z
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Our resident genius analyst.
Ok, should we revisit this in two years, or do you want to tell me right now where my analysis is wrong?
Please don't start with the guards. Name all of the teams with Pro Bowl Left Tackles and Centers and tell me why their 5'11 quarterback can't throw an out to save his life.
Z
Zombo said:
Ok, should we revisit this in two years, or do you want to tell me right now where my analysis is wrong?
Please don't start with the guards. Name all of the teams with Pro Bowl Left Tackles and Centers and tell me why their 5'11 quarterback can't throw an out to save his life.
Z
I think you're right, we should can our 23-year old QB after a bad performance to sign a 23-year old rookie, just because he's taller.
That's a fantastic plan.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
And trade up so we can get Lynch at number one. That will make him better.
And we will all meet same time, same station next year.
The year after, and the year after...
WSS
Question, aren't we at #2, and the Titans don't need a qb, we should get him at 2. I know nothing about Lynch, but wait a year and get Rosen from UCLA.
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Zombo said:
Ok, should we revisit this in two years, or do you want to tell me right now where my analysis is wrong?
Please don't start with the guards. Name all of the teams with Pro Bowl Left Tackles and Centers and tell me why their 5'11 quarterback can't throw an out to save his life.
Z
I think you're right, we should can our 23-year old QB after a bad performance to sign a 23-year old rookie, just because he's taller.
That's a fantastic plan.
hmmmm, that's pretty good. fuck it i'm in....we should...sign a 23-year old rookie, just because he's taller.
here's to proactively finding a franchise QB. **cheers**
i'm all for doubling down
it's just monopoly money anyway, rt? money should be no object until we find one.
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Zombo said:
Ok, should we revisit this in two years, or do you want to tell me right now where my analysis is wrong?
Please don't start with the guards. Name all of the teams with Pro Bowl Left Tackles and Centers and tell me why their 5'11 quarterback can't throw an out to save his life.
Z
I think you're right, we should can our 23-year old QB after a bad performance to sign a 23-year old rookie, just because he's taller.
That's a fantastic plan.
I think you're right, we should can our 23-year old QB after a bad performance to sign a 23-year old rookie, just because he's taller.
That's a fantastic plan.
Ok good, because your little tiny NFL wannabe just went 13 for 32 in a game that really mattered.
So I take it you won't be offended if we take a flyer on the NFL prototype with a real body and an NFL arm?
Z
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I think you're right, we should can our 23-year old QB after a bad performance to sign a 23-year old rookie, just because he's taller.
That's a fantastic plan.
Ok good, because your little tiny NFL wannabe just went 13 for 32 in a game that really mattered.
So I take it you won't be offended if we take a flyer on the NFL prototype with a real body and an NFL arm?
Z
Zombo said:
Ok good, because your little tiny NFL wannabe just went 13 for 32 in a game that really mattered.
So I take it you won't be offended if we take a flyer on the NFL prototype with a real body and an NFL arm?
Z
While I do think you're being to harsh on him Z, I agree he played like shit. I think Paxton will be too much a project player, and would have to wait behind Mccown for a year or two.
I like Connor Cook despite all of the bad talk about him. I think he's the most NFL ready QB coming out of the draft.
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I think you're right, we should can our 23-year old QB after a bad performance to sign a 23-year old rookie, just because he's taller.
That's a fantastic plan.
Ok good, because your little tiny NFL wannabe just went 13 for 32 in a game that really mattered.
So I take it you won't be offended if we take a flyer on the NFL prototype with a real body and an NFL arm?
Z
Yeah, that game was fucking crucial. Our playoff hopes were on the line and Manziel definitely didn't have the flu, nor was he missing his top three WR's or two starting guards.Zombo said:
Ok good, because your little tiny NFL wannabe just went 13 for 32 in a game that really mattered.
So I take it you won't be offended if we take a flyer on the NFL prototype with a real body and an NFL arm?
Z
You see John Krasinski on the cover of Men's Health? We should take a flier on him too, prototypical QB size there.
He's your tiny NFL wannabe QB too. For the foreseeable future. But if you want to spank it to tall, built guys, I'm sure there's a website for you.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
I completely agree Z. This was by far and away the worst play from the qb position this year. I honestly don't know where all the support for this asshole comes from when the same people were in such a hurry to move on from colt McCoy and Brian Hoyer. In a game where the defense played well, there was a decent running game, and the line was giving the kid all they had. Seriously at times he had 5-6 seconds with a clean pocket on a 4 man rush and he had no vision and missed wide open checkdowns.
And it's not like we have to frantically sign a new rookie from the draft. If they willing to make a project outta a first round flop then atleast make a project outta a kid that fits the bill with height, arm strength, and proper footwork. I have absolutely no problem rolling into next year with depth chart of McCown, Austin, and Shaw. Build the team in other areas and then sell out and draft a qb when you have a team worthy of evaluating talents.
Its no secret I hated the pick and I have been proven correctly for the last 2 years. He basically threw away his rookie season. He was completely lost in the fact he didn't know the teams playbook or schemes. Basically cost us a pretty good OC in the process and a decent placeholdong qb. I want a qb that is all about football and he is not. Is he the first guy there and the last one to leave? Well unless your talking about the local watering hole in Texas the answer is NO. Hell there is reports of him being late to meetings about 4 times over the last 2 years. Hell the second time he was named starter this year after his discipline be totally blew off weight room session the morning after his birthday. And pettine totally gave him a pass because he is in great football shape. Really showed today when he was completely gased to start the 4th qrter are u fucking kidding me?? If the only reason this kid is on the team is because he was a First Rounder then I fucking quit. You can't figure that level of incompetent out anyways.
Bottom line Josh McCown has outworked, outplayed, and just simply outclassed the legend of Johnny Football this year kinda the same way Conner Shaw did last year. We signed Josh to a two year deal and he showed me enough to get excited about watching him lead this team in2016 and mentor whomever is here and eager to follow his lead. If u disagree with myself or Z I would like to know y? Are you still buying into the teabowesk hype, or do you truley believe he has improved the qb position? Amazingly there is less and less Texas AM fairweathers in this group. If John is not on this team next year it wont bother me very much.
"We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever. -
I completely agree Z. This was by far and away the worst play from the qb position this year. I honestly don't know where all the support for this asshole comes from when the same people were in such a hurry to move on from colt McCoy and Brian Hoyer. In a game where the defense played well, there was a decent running game, and the line was giving the kid all they had. Seriously at times he had 5-6 seconds with a clean pocket on a 4 man rush and he had no vision and missed wide open checkdowns.
And it's not like we have to frantically sign a new rookie from the draft. If they willing to make a project outta a first round flop then atleast make a project outta a kid that fits the bill with height, arm strength, and proper footwork. I have absolutely no problem rolling into next year with depth chart of McCown, Austin, and Shaw. Build the team in other areas and then sell out and draft a qb when you have a team worthy of evaluating talents.
Its no secret I hated the pick and I have been proven correctly for the last 2 years. He basically threw away his rookie season. He was completely lost in the fact he didn't know the teams playbook or schemes. Basically cost us a pretty good OC in the process and a decent placeholdong qb. I want a qb that is all about football and he is not. Is he the first guy there and the last one to leave? Well unless your talking about the local watering hole in Texas the answer is NO. Hell there is reports of him being late to meetings about 4 times over the last 2 years. Hell the second time he was named starter this year after his discipline be totally blew off weight room session the morning after his birthday. And pettine totally gave him a pass because he is in great football shape. Really showed today when he was completely gased to start the 4th qrter are u fucking kidding me?? If the only reason this kid is on the team is because he was a First Rounder then I fucking quit. You can't figure that level of incompetent out anyways.
Bottom line Josh McCown has outworked, outplayed, and just simply outclassed the legend of Johnny Football this year kinda the same way Conner Shaw did last year. We signed Josh to a two year deal and he showed me enough to get excited about watching him lead this team in2016 and mentor whomever is here and eager to follow his lead. If u disagree with myself or Z I would like to know y? Are you still buying into the teabowesk hype, or do you truley believe he has improved the qb position? Amazingly there is less and less Texas AM fairweathers in this group. If John is not on this team next year it wont bother me very much.
I completely agree Z. This was by far and away the worst play from the qb position this year. I honestly don't know where all the support for this asshole comes from when the same people were in such a hurry to move on from colt McCoy and Brian Hoyer. In a game where the defense played well, there was a decent running game, and the line was giving the kid all they had. Seriously at times he had 5-6 seconds with a clean pocket on a 4 man rush and he had no vision and missed wide open checkdowns.
And it's not like we have to frantically sign a new rookie from the draft. If they willing to make a project outta a first round flop then atleast make a project outta a kid that fits the bill with height, arm strength, and proper footwork. I have absolutely no problem rolling into next year with depth chart of McCown, Austin, and Shaw. Build the team in other areas and then sell out and draft a qb when you have a team worthy of evaluating talents.
Its no secret I hated the pick and I have been proven correctly for the last 2 years. He basically threw away his rookie season. He was completely lost in the fact he didn't know the teams playbook or schemes. Basically cost us a pretty good OC in the process and a decent placeholdong qb. I want a qb that is all about football and he is not. Is he the first guy there and the last one to leave? Well unless your talking about the local watering hole in Texas the answer is NO. Hell there is reports of him being late to meetings about 4 times over the last 2 years. Hell the second time he was named starter this year after his discipline be totally blew off weight room session the morning after his birthday. And pettine totally gave him a pass because he is in great football shape. Really showed today when he was completely gased to start the 4th qrter are u fucking kidding me?? If the only reason this kid is on the team is because he was a First Rounder then I fucking quit. You can't figure that level of incompetent out anyways.
Bottom line Josh McCown has outworked, outplayed, and just simply outclassed the legend of Johnny Football this year kinda the same way Conner Shaw did last year. We signed Josh to a two year deal and he showed me enough to get excited about watching him lead this team in2016 and mentor whomever is here and eager to follow his lead. If u disagree with myself or Z I would like to know y? Are you still buying into the teabowesk hype, or do you truley believe he has improved the qb position? Amazingly there is less and less Texas AM fairweathers in this group. If John is not on this team next year it wont bother me very much.
Johnny Manziel - Browns 2016 starting QB.
So sorry.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Yeah, that game was fucking crucial. Our playoff hopes were on the line and Manziel definitely didn't have the flu, nor was he missing his top three WR's or two starting guards.Zombo said:
Ok good, because your little tiny NFL wannabe just went 13 for 32 in a game that really mattered.
So I take it you won't be offended if we take a flyer on the NFL prototype with a real body and an NFL arm?
Z
You see John Krasinski on the cover of Men's Health? We should take a flier on him too, prototypical QB size there.
He's your tiny NFL wannabe QB too. For the foreseeable future. But if you want to spank it to tall, built guys, I'm sure there's a website for you.
Yeah, that game was fucking crucial. Our playoff hopes were on the line and Manziel definitely didn't have the flu, nor was he missing his top three WR's or two starting guards.
You see John Krasinski on the cover of Men's Health? We should take a flier on him too, prototypical QB size there.
He's your tiny NFL wannabe QB too. For the foreseeable future. But if you want to spank it to tall, built guys, I'm sure there's a website for you.
This is a work of art!
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I completely agree Z. This was by far and away the worst play from the qb position this year. I honestly don't know where all the support for this asshole comes from when the same people were in such a hurry to move on from colt McCoy and Brian Hoyer. In a game where the defense played well, there was a decent running game, and the line was giving the kid all they had. Seriously at times he had 5-6 seconds with a clean pocket on a 4 man rush and he had no vision and missed wide open checkdowns.
And it's not like we have to frantically sign a new rookie from the draft. If they willing to make a project outta a first round flop then atleast make a project outta a kid that fits the bill with height, arm strength, and proper footwork. I have absolutely no problem rolling into next year with depth chart of McCown, Austin, and Shaw. Build the team in other areas and then sell out and draft a qb when you have a team worthy of evaluating talents.
Its no secret I hated the pick and I have been proven correctly for the last 2 years. He basically threw away his rookie season. He was completely lost in the fact he didn't know the teams playbook or schemes. Basically cost us a pretty good OC in the process and a decent placeholdong qb. I want a qb that is all about football and he is not. Is he the first guy there and the last one to leave? Well unless your talking about the local watering hole in Texas the answer is NO. Hell there is reports of him being late to meetings about 4 times over the last 2 years. Hell the second time he was named starter this year after his discipline be totally blew off weight room session the morning after his birthday. And pettine totally gave him a pass because he is in great football shape. Really showed today when he was completely gased to start the 4th qrter are u fucking kidding me?? If the only reason this kid is on the team is because he was a First Rounder then I fucking quit. You can't figure that level of incompetent out anyways.
Bottom line Josh McCown has outworked, outplayed, and just simply outclassed the legend of Johnny Football this year kinda the same way Conner Shaw did last year. We signed Josh to a two year deal and he showed me enough to get excited about watching him lead this team in2016 and mentor whomever is here and eager to follow his lead. If u disagree with myself or Z I would like to know y? Are you still buying into the teabowesk hype, or do you truley believe he has improved the qb position? Amazingly there is less and less Texas AM fairweathers in this group. If John is not on this team next year it wont bother me very much.
Johnny Manziel - Browns 2016 starting QB.
So sorry.
Johnny Manziel - Browns 2016 starting QB.
So sorry.
I'm not convinced based on his shitty footwork and slow reads that he could beat out Josh McCown for the starting job next year. If he's not shipped off to Dallas in the offseason.
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I completely agree Z. This was by far and away the worst play from the qb position this year. I honestly don't know where all the support for this asshole comes from when the same people were in such a hurry to move on from colt McCoy and Brian Hoyer. In a game where the defense played well, there was a decent running game, and the line was giving the kid all they had. Seriously at times he had 5-6 seconds with a clean pocket on a 4 man rush and he had no vision and missed wide open checkdowns.
And it's not like we have to frantically sign a new rookie from the draft. If they willing to make a project outta a first round flop then atleast make a project outta a kid that fits the bill with height, arm strength, and proper footwork. I have absolutely no problem rolling into next year with depth chart of McCown, Austin, and Shaw. Build the team in other areas and then sell out and draft a qb when you have a team worthy of evaluating talents.
Its no secret I hated the pick and I have been proven correctly for the last 2 years. He basically threw away his rookie season. He was completely lost in the fact he didn't know the teams playbook or schemes. Basically cost us a pretty good OC in the process and a decent placeholdong qb. I want a qb that is all about football and he is not. Is he the first guy there and the last one to leave? Well unless your talking about the local watering hole in Texas the answer is NO. Hell there is reports of him being late to meetings about 4 times over the last 2 years. Hell the second time he was named starter this year after his discipline be totally blew off weight room session the morning after his birthday. And pettine totally gave him a pass because he is in great football shape. Really showed today when he was completely gased to start the 4th qrter are u fucking kidding me?? If the only reason this kid is on the team is because he was a First Rounder then I fucking quit. You can't figure that level of incompetent out anyways.
Bottom line Josh McCown has outworked, outplayed, and just simply outclassed the legend of Johnny Football this year kinda the same way Conner Shaw did last year. We signed Josh to a two year deal and he showed me enough to get excited about watching him lead this team in2016 and mentor whomever is here and eager to follow his lead. If u disagree with myself or Z I would like to know y? Are you still buying into the teabowesk hype, or do you truley believe he has improved the qb position? Amazingly there is less and less Texas AM fairweathers in this group. If John is not on this team next year it wont bother me very much.
Johnny Manziel - Browns 2016 starting QB.
So sorry.
Johnny Manziel - Browns 2016 starting QB.
So sorry.
As am I. Don't know if your playing devil's advocate bout I've never seen this much loyalty outta you Tim. I seemed to remember you not being thrilled about the pick and was in the Blake bortles bandwagon. But you wanna be proud of what you seen outta the position today I can respect that. It's what you've always wanted I guess.
"We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever. -
can't wait to have lynch and mccown on the roster next year hopefully we can get some big WR and some linebackers too
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Johnny Manziel - Browns 2016 starting QB.
So sorry.
As am I. Don't know if your playing devil's advocate bout I've never seen this much loyalty outta you Tim. I seemed to remember you not being thrilled about the pick and was in the Blake bortles bandwagon. But you wanna be proud of what you seen outta the position today I can respect that. It's what you've always wanted I guess.
As am I. Don't know if your playing devil's advocate bout I've never seen this much loyalty outta you Tim. I seemed to remember you not being thrilled about the pick and was in the Blake bortles bandwagon. But you wanna be proud of what you seen outta the position today I can respect that. It's what you've always wanted I guess.
I wasn't thrilled about the pick, and I haven't been thrilled by his last two performances. But the "this guy sucks, let's get this this guy instead" mindset has literally NEVER worked for us.
I was proud of what I saw from Manziel in glimpses. He had the flu, we were missing multiple receivers and our two starting guards...and Manziel said nothing about any of that in his post game presser.
It was a bad performance, but it's not the end of the world.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Yeah, that game was fucking crucial. Our playoff hopes were on the line and Manziel definitely didn't have the flu, nor was he missing his top three WR's or two starting guards.Zombo said:
Ok good, because your little tiny NFL wannabe just went 13 for 32 in a game that really mattered.
So I take it you won't be offended if we take a flyer on the NFL prototype with a real body and an NFL arm?
Z
You see John Krasinski on the cover of Men's Health? We should take a flier on him too, prototypical QB size there.
He's your tiny NFL wannabe QB too. For the foreseeable future. But if you want to spank it to tall, built guys, I'm sure there's a website for you.
Yeah, that game was fucking crucial. Our playoff hopes were on the line and Manziel definitely didn't have the flu, nor was he missing his top three WR's or two starting guards.
You see John Krasinski on the cover of Men's Health? We should take a flier on him too, prototypical QB size there.
He's your tiny NFL wannabe QB too. For the foreseeable future. But if you want to spank it to tall, built guys, I'm sure there's a website for you.
I knew somebody would blame it on the guards.
Congratulations, you are THAT pussy.
Zombo
--Now, please name all of the guards that Tom Brdy, Peyton Manning and Aaron Rogers have played behind.
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http://thebiglead.com/2015/12/27/johnny-manziel-had-a-jolly-christmas-video/
It's this.
And if this is a world where this is news...then fuck our society.
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