Browns locker room is a mess (twitter report)
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Sacks aren't always on the OL and neither are minimized runs...
I guess I'm old school but if you need a belt as a reward to do your job there's the fucking door.
It's called positive reinforcement.
Since it seems it was Danny's first award, I think it is safe to assume he did not "need" a reward to show up vs. the Seahawks.
Can't find a list of belt winners, but I think it is safe to assume that there have been a couple weeks when none was handed out, e.g., the 2nd Bengals game.
As for the dog bones... just like with Buckeye leaves... win, lose or tie, there are good plays made and it's good to see them recognized.
Glad to see Tour posted the article about the belt, cause it's pretty unfair to attack Shelton for winning an award.....
But.....considering it was Walter......Im not surprised.....
Sacks aren't always on the OL and neither are minimized runs...
Right.....in fact.....out of the 46 sacks the team has taken, the adjusted grades have the OL allowing just 16 of them
i'd like to see the stats on how many of those 'QB kills' and 'rushes squashed' were to the left side and were JTs fault?
all the haters might not want to admit it but every GM in the game and anyone that knows anything about football knows that good LT is as important as the guy he's protecting. and we have a great one.
.....and Joe Thomas is credited with allowing only 2.....(which is priceless).....
And our terrible run game?......averages 2.8 yards per carry, except over LT/LG, where the average is 4.5 ypc....
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Glad to see Tour posted the article about the belt, cause it's pretty unfair to attack Shelton for winning an award.....
But.....considering it was Walter......Im not surprised.....
Sacks aren't always on the OL and neither are minimized runs...
Right.....in fact.....out of the 46 sacks the team has taken, the adjusted grades have the OL allowing just 16 of them
i'd like to see the stats on how many of those 'QB kills' and 'rushes squashed' were to the left side and were JTs fault?
all the haters might not want to admit it but every GM in the game and anyone that knows anything about football knows that good LT is as important as the guy he's protecting. and we have a great one.
.....and Joe Thomas is credited with allowing only 2.....(which is priceless).....
And our terrible run game?......averages 2.8 yards per carry, except over LT/LG, where the average is 4.5 ypc....
Glad to see Tour posted the article about the belt, cause it's pretty unfair to attack Shelton for winning an award.....
But.....considering it was Walter......Im not surprised.....
Right.....in fact.....out of the 46 sacks the team has taken, the adjusted grades have the OL allowing just 16 of them
.....and Joe Thomas is credited with allowing only 2.....(which is priceless).....
And our terrible run game?......averages 2.8 yards per carry, except over LT/LG, where the average is 4.5 ypc....
Maybe Ghoolie just misses Shaffer and Andruzzi on the blind side of QB.
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Glad to see Tour posted the article about the belt, cause it's pretty unfair to attack Shelton for winning an award.....
But.....considering it was Walter......Im not surprised.....
Sacks aren't always on the OL and neither are minimized runs...
Right.....in fact.....out of the 46 sacks the team has taken, the adjusted grades have the OL allowing just 16 of them
i'd like to see the stats on how many of those 'QB kills' and 'rushes squashed' were to the left side and were JTs fault?
all the haters might not want to admit it but every GM in the game and anyone that knows anything about football knows that good LT is as important as the guy he's protecting. and we have a great one.
.....and Joe Thomas is credited with allowing only 2.....(which is priceless).....
And our terrible run game?......averages 2.8 yards per carry, except over LT/LG, where the average is 4.5 ypc....
Glad to see Tour posted the article about the belt, cause it's pretty unfair to attack Shelton for winning an award.....
But.....considering it was Walter......Im not surprised.....
Right.....in fact.....out of the 46 sacks the team has taken, the adjusted grades have the OL allowing just 16 of them
.....and Joe Thomas is credited with allowing only 2.....(which is priceless).....
And our terrible run game?......averages 2.8 yards per carry, except over LT/LG, where the average is 4.5 ypc....
I don't think it's fair to criticize Shelton but I do think it's fair to criticize the need for such an award.
Mud I'd wager you've watched almost every snap this season. After how many games did you stop and say to yourself, "man that OLine was owning players today". I get that the lack of flash is due in part to the ZBS but after watching all but two games I can't honestly say the Browns look dominate in back to back games and they have had games, while healthy where they looked like absolute shit. I heard a lot of "Bitonio had a tough matchup", "the crowd was loud today" and "they have a very good defense". Just don't see the dominate from that many claim we have.
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Glad to see Tour posted the article about the belt, cause it's pretty unfair to attack Shelton for winning an award.....
But.....considering it was Walter......Im not surprised.....
Right.....in fact.....out of the 46 sacks the team has taken, the adjusted grades have the OL allowing just 16 of them
.....and Joe Thomas is credited with allowing only 2.....(which is priceless).....
And our terrible run game?......averages 2.8 yards per carry, except over LT/LG, where the average is 4.5 ypc....
I don't think it's fair to criticize Shelton but I do think it's fair to criticize the need for such an award.
Mud I'd wager you've watched almost every snap this season. After how many games did you stop and say to yourself, "man that OLine was owning players today". I get that the lack of flash is due in part to the ZBS but after watching all but two games I can't honestly say the Browns look dominate in back to back games and they have had games, while healthy where they looked like absolute shit. I heard a lot of "Bitonio had a tough matchup", "the crowd was loud today" and "they have a very good defense". Just don't see the dominate from that many claim we have.
I don't think it's fair to criticize Shelton but I do think it's fair to criticize the need for such an award.
Mud I'd wager you've watched almost every snap this season. After how many games did you stop and say to yourself, "man that OLine was owning players today". I get that the lack of flash is due in part to the ZBS but after watching all but two games I can't honestly say the Browns look dominate in back to back games and they have had games, while healthy where they looked like absolute shit. I heard a lot of "Bitonio had a tough matchup", "the crowd was loud today" and "they have a very good defense". Just don't see the dominate from that many claim we have.
I dont think our line dominated anyone this year....nor do I think they suck......
To me, they're just somewhere in the middle....
The tackles both had dominant years though.....it was the middle 3(Greco, Bito, Mack) that weren't on their game....
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If OL play is the most useless thing ever, how did the Packers lose to the Cardinals yesterday?
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
i'd like to see the stats on how many of those 'QB kills' and 'rushes squashed' were to the left side and were JTs fault?
all the haters might not want to admit it but every GM in the game and anyone that knows anything about football knows that good LT is as important as the guy he's protecting. and we have a great one.
The point isn't JT isn't very good it's that the OL is more than just one player and must be evaluated as a whole. As a whole the Browns offensive line is mediocre.
The point isn't JT isn't very good it's that the OL is more than just one player and must be evaluated as a whole. As a whole the Browns offensive line is mediocre.
below mediocre
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I don't think it's fair to criticize Shelton but I do think it's fair to criticize the need for such an award.
Mud I'd wager you've watched almost every snap this season. After how many games did you stop and say to yourself, "man that OLine was owning players today". I get that the lack of flash is due in part to the ZBS but after watching all but two games I can't honestly say the Browns look dominate in back to back games and they have had games, while healthy where they looked like absolute shit. I heard a lot of "Bitonio had a tough matchup", "the crowd was loud today" and "they have a very good defense". Just don't see the dominate from that many claim we have.
I dont think our line dominated anyone this year....nor do I think they suck......
To me, they're just somewhere in the middle....
The tackles both had dominant years though.....it was the middle 3(Greco, Bito, Mack) that weren't on their game....
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Glad to see Tour posted the article about the belt, cause it's pretty unfair to attack Shelton for winning an award.....
But.....considering it was Walter......Im not surprised.....
Right.....in fact.....out of the 46 sacks the team has taken, the adjusted grades have the OL allowing just 16 of them
.....and Joe Thomas is credited with allowing only 2.....(which is priceless).....
And our terrible run game?......averages 2.8 yards per carry, except over LT/LG, where the average is 4.5 ypc....
I don't think it's fair to criticize Shelton but I do think it's fair to criticize the need for such an award.
Mud I'd wager you've watched almost every snap this season. After how many games did you stop and say to yourself, "man that OLine was owning players today". I get that the lack of flash is due in part to the ZBS but after watching all but two games I can't honestly say the Browns look dominate in back to back games and they have had games, while healthy where they looked like absolute shit. I heard a lot of "Bitonio had a tough matchup", "the crowd was loud today" and "they have a very good defense". Just don't see the dominate from that many claim we have.
I don't think it's fair to criticize Shelton but I do think it's fair to criticize the need for such an award.
Mud I'd wager you've watched almost every snap this season. After how many games did you stop and say to yourself, "man that OLine was owning players today". I get that the lack of flash is due in part to the ZBS but after watching all but two games I can't honestly say the Browns look dominate in back to back games and they have had games, while healthy where they looked like absolute shit. I heard a lot of "Bitonio had a tough matchup", "the crowd was loud today" and "they have a very good defense". Just don't see the dominate from that many claim we have.
they dominated the titans and niners.....wooooo hoooooo.
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I don't think it's fair to criticize Shelton but I do think it's fair to criticize the need for such an award.
Mud I'd wager you've watched almost every snap this season. After how many games did you stop and say to yourself, "man that OLine was owning players today". I get that the lack of flash is due in part to the ZBS but after watching all but two games I can't honestly say the Browns look dominate in back to back games and they have had games, while healthy where they looked like absolute shit. I heard a lot of "Bitonio had a tough matchup", "the crowd was loud today" and "they have a very good defense". Just don't see the dominate from that many claim we have.
I dont think our line dominated anyone this year....nor do I think they suck......
To me, they're just somewhere in the middle....
The tackles both had dominant years though.....it was the middle 3(Greco, Bito, Mack) that weren't on their game....
I dont think our line dominated anyone this year....nor do I think they suck......
To me, they're just somewhere in the middle....
The tackles both had dominant years though.....it was the middle 3(Greco, Bito, Mack) that weren't on their game....
And oddly enough Mack is a pro bowler, shows how credible that is.
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If OL play is the most useless thing ever, how did the Packers lose to the Cardinals yesterday?
Arizona is the best team in the NFL right now. They killed Green Gay.If OL play is the most useless thing ever, how did the Packers lose to the Cardinals yesterday?
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Who cares if he carries around a WWE belt, That shows me he wants to be the champ. It takes a team effort and right now I don't believe any of them are giving their all.
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I've used that clip.
I love that clip.
But it just does not apply to this situation.
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