Farmer and Pettine both fired. Official

htownbrown

@the-gipper said:

No, GM is not a big step up....it is the next step up. What steps do you think are in between?

Let's put this caveat in: Hire this guy....but hid dad must sign an exclusive consultancy contract for 3-5 years. OK?

That next step is a huge step. Some people can't lead.

Opal312

Whoever and whatever happens must be a proven guy. No more throwing darts with your eyes closed. I think they should hire Doug Marrone. Buffalo's defense is scary in name only since he left. Get rid of Farmer is a must! He's useless! My mock draft the last two years were far better. I know football! He doesn't! Maybe I should replace Farmer. At least we'd have Mack and Carr!

Opal312

I got this from FanSided

Besides Wolf

Cole said possible candidates to replace Farmer include Chris Ballard from the Chiefs, George Paton from the Vikings, and Duke Tobin from the Bengals.

Browns149

He can't be any worse then Farmer

The Gipper

@htownbrown said:
That next step is a huge step. Some people can't lead.

But...it IS the NEXT step.

htownbrown

@the-gipper said:
But...it IS the NEXT step.

uhhh yeah.........not sure I implied otherwise.

The Gipper

@htownbrown said:
uhhh yeah.........not sure I implied otherwise.

Your implication was that someone who held the position of Director of Player personell may not be someone who is ready to take on a GM position.

So....assuming you are not going to hire someone who currently holds a GM position, there is only one place lower from which to promote someone to GM: DOPP. Which is a position this guy has held for the last year. Here is his resume:

Wolf joined the Packers as a pro personnel assistant in 2004. He became Assistant Director of Pro Personnel in 2008 and Assistant Director of Player Personnel in 2011 before assuming his current position in 2012. On January 2, 2015, Wolf was promoted to Director of Player Personnel.

Something goofy in there......can't be sure when he held which job.....but he has held jobs in player evaluation for about 12 years now.

Can we say that about Farmer?

Farmer is currently the general manager for the Cleveland Browns. Prior to his position with the Browns, he was director of pro personnel for the Kansas City Chiefs from 2006 to 2012 and a scout for the Atlanta Falcons from 2002 to 2006.^[4] Before working in the NFL, he was the academic coordinator for football at Duke University in 2001, and worked in TV and radio from 1998-2000.^[1]

^{Not much more experience at all really}

htownbrown

Farmer 6 yrs DOPP

Wolf 1 yr DOPP

GM would be an even bigger step for Wolf than Farmer.....IMO.

CaineDeSoulis

wolf would be the youngest GM in NFL history. but he does have lineage and a dad with a wealth of information and success

gumby73

When Pro Player Personnel has been the problem since return in 99, I trust no Wolfe/Holmgrem Tree. I would trust a old school Brown thought. The guy is married to Bill Parcells daughter named Dallas. Started with the Browns in 92 under Belichick till move to Baltimore in 95 as Personnel Asst. In 96 as Personnel Coordinator in Baltimore drafted Ogden &Ray Lewis. 1997-00 went to Jets Dir. Player Personnel (Mawae, Testaverde, B.Cox). 2000-01 Pats. (Brady, Welker, R. Moss). 2002-12 K.C. VP player personnel/GM yea they got better also on his picks. His name SCOTT PIOLI. Sitting in Atlanta as a Asst. GM since 2014 & screaming for a chance at GM once again. Haslem call Pioli, your barking up the wrong tree imho.

CaineDeSoulis

lets all take a moment to celebrate the fact we are talking about the next browns gm rather than having to be stuck with arguably the worst GM in the past 2 decades

hoorta

@tour2ma said:

Ron Wolf as a consultant? Sure...

Eliot Wolf? Did not know GM ability was a genetic trait.

As was said, being a competent owner isn't a a genetic trait either. Mike Brown wandered for years in mediocrity. I have it on pretty good authority (a long time wino Bengals season ticket holder friend- like 50 yard line) that the intelligence skipped a generation down in Bungle land. Apparently Katie Blackburn- Mike's kid- is now effectively running the organization, and Mike just sits up in the owner's box for entertainment.

If we hire the younger Wolf, let's hope that's not the case.

wargograw

Keep everyone, except O'Neil and some position coaches.

The Gipper

@htownbrown said:

Farmer 6 yrs DOPP

Wolf 1 yr DOPP

GM would be an even bigger step for Wolf than Farmer.....IMO.

But could we do any worse, really, with a guy that has had 1 year vs. the 6 year guy?

joedawg69

I think Mr. Haslam needs to decide what offense and defense systems he wants run on his team and then find the best people to run those systems. Till he does that; it will just be business as usual.

Westside Steve

@the-gipper said:
But could we do any worse, really, with a guy that has had 1 year vs. the 6 year guy?

Is that the goal? Not doing worse?

WSS

beare

HECK even id be a better gm then farmer i least know you dont give 9 million to someone who dont even play.

The Gipper

@westside-steve said:

Is that the goal? Not doing worse?

WSS

For this team? Yes.

htownbrown

@the-gipper said:
But could we do any worse, really, with a guy that has had 1 year vs. the 6 year guy?

Without question we could do worse. If I own the Browns and said to you, "Hey Gip, I'm letting you pick the GM this time." And in the other room Phil Savage, George Kokinis, and Ray Farmer sit at a big round table. I can't speak for anybody else, but Ray Farmer better be that guy. That's no endorsement of Ray Farmer btw, just we've seen much worse than Ray Farmer. Beau Bell our first pick in the draft, David Veikune who no one wanted for 200 more picks.....is any of this familiar?

darren15

Won't the new GM want his own HC .........OK your hired by the way you don't have a say on who the coach will be.....strange one that.

Pettine should go too ......