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Farmer and Pettine both fired. Official

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Ron Wolf as a consultant? Sure...

    Eliot Wolf? Did not know GM ability was a genetic trait.

    @tour2ma said:

    Ron Wolf as a consultant? Sure...

    Eliot Wolf? Did not know GM ability was a genetic trait.

    As was said, being a competent owner isn't a a genetic trait either. Mike Brown wandered for years in mediocrity. I have it on pretty good authority (a long time wino Bengals season ticket holder friend- like 50 yard line) that the intelligence skipped a generation down in Bungle land. Apparently Katie Blackburn- Mike's kid- is now effectively running the organization, and Mike just sits up in the owner's box for entertainment.

    If we hire the younger Wolf, let's hope that's not the case.

  • Keep everyone, except O'Neil and some position coaches.

  • htownbrownH htownbrown

    Farmer 6 yrs DOPP

    Wolf 1 yr DOPP

    GM would be an even bigger step for Wolf than Farmer.....IMO.

    @htownbrown said:

    Farmer 6 yrs DOPP

    Wolf 1 yr DOPP

    GM would be an even bigger step for Wolf than Farmer.....IMO.

    But could we do any worse, really, with a guy that has had 1 year vs. the 6 year guy?

    W htownbrownH W 3 Replies

  • I think Mr. Haslam needs to decide what offense and defense systems he wants run on his team and then find the best people to run those systems. Till he does that; it will just be business as usual.

    hoortaH MudflyM 2 Replies
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @htownbrown said:

    Farmer 6 yrs DOPP

    Wolf 1 yr DOPP

    GM would be an even bigger step for Wolf than Farmer.....IMO.

    But could we do any worse, really, with a guy that has had 1 year vs. the 6 year guy?

    @the-gipper said:

    But could we do any worse, really, with a guy that has had 1 year vs. the 6 year guy?

    Is that the goal? Not doing worse?

    WSS

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    The GipperT 1 Reply

  • HECK even id be a better gm then farmer i least know you dont give 9 million to someone who dont even play.

  • W Westside Steve

    @the-gipper said:

    But could we do any worse, really, with a guy that has had 1 year vs. the 6 year guy?

    Is that the goal? Not doing worse?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Is that the goal? Not doing worse?

    WSS

    For this team? Yes.

    W 1 Reply
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @htownbrown said:

    Farmer 6 yrs DOPP

    Wolf 1 yr DOPP

    GM would be an even bigger step for Wolf than Farmer.....IMO.

    But could we do any worse, really, with a guy that has had 1 year vs. the 6 year guy?

    @the-gipper said:

    But could we do any worse, really, with a guy that has had 1 year vs. the 6 year guy?

    Without question we could do worse. If I own the Browns and said to you, "Hey Gip, I'm letting you pick the GM this time." And in the other room Phil Savage, George Kokinis, and Ray Farmer sit at a big round table. I can't speak for anybody else, but Ray Farmer better be that guy. That's no endorsement of Ray Farmer btw, just we've seen much worse than Ray Farmer. Beau Bell our first pick in the draft, David Veikune who no one wanted for 200 more picks.....is any of this familiar?

    “It is impossible to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding.”
    Tour2maT 1 Reply

  • Won't the new GM want his own HC .........OK your hired by the way you don't have a say on who the coach will be.....strange one that.

    Pettine should go too ......

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @westside-steve said:

    Is that the goal? Not doing worse?

    WSS

    For this team? Yes.

    @the-gipper said:

    For this team? Yes.

    Great. So I'll expect you to STFU if there's no improvement.

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • J joedawg69

    I think Mr. Haslam needs to decide what offense and defense systems he wants run on his team and then find the best people to run those systems. Till he does that; it will just be business as usual.

    @joedawg69 said:

    I think Mr. Haslam needs to decide what offense and defense systems he wants run on his team and then find the best people to run those systems. Till he does that; it will just be business as usual.

    It's not just running "systems". The coach has to be flexible enough to fit his system to the players he has on hand.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @htownbrown said:

    Farmer 6 yrs DOPP

    Wolf 1 yr DOPP

    GM would be an even bigger step for Wolf than Farmer.....IMO.

    But could we do any worse, really, with a guy that has had 1 year vs. the 6 year guy?

    @the-gipper said:

    But could we do any worse, really, with a guy that has had 1 year vs. the 6 year guy?

    Well, the new guy could both whiff on first rounders AND not get any quality UDFAs. At least Farmer does the latter.

  • That is sooo true; but, when the coaching staff dislikes a player so much that they do their best not to play him then we have a problem. The staff needs to be on the same page or it just will not work.

  • J joedawg69

    I think Mr. Haslam needs to decide what offense and defense systems he wants run on his team and then find the best people to run those systems. Till he does that; it will just be business as usual.

    @joedawg69 said:

    I think Mr. Haslam needs to decide what offense and defense systems he wants run on his team and then find the best people to run those systems.

    I dont think Haslem should make any football decisions.....especially about "what systems to run" or players to pick.....

    Hire football people and let them evaluate the talent and make the football decisions.......

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @joedawg69 said:

    I think Mr. Haslam needs to decide what offense and defense systems he wants run on his team and then find the best people to run those systems.

    I dont think Haslem should make any football decisions.....especially about "what systems to run" or players to pick.....

    Hire football people and let them evaluate the talent and make the football decisions.......

    @mudfly said:

    I dont think Haslem should make any football decisions.....especially about "what systems to run" or players to pick.....

    Hire football people and let them evaluate the talent and make the football decisions.......

    Unless, of course, the fans don't like what the football people choose to do.

    WSS

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    MudflyM 1 Reply

  • OK, I can agree with that; but, he needs to pick one guy to decide on the rest of the staff so they all work together for the most part. And Haslam should never again make any decisions on player personnel from draft or free agency.

  • W Westside Steve

    @mudfly said:

    I dont think Haslem should make any football decisions.....especially about "what systems to run" or players to pick.....

    Hire football people and let them evaluate the talent and make the football decisions.......

    Unless, of course, the fans don't like what the football people choose to do.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Unless, of course, the fans don't like what the football people choose to do.

    Ok.....so Haslem should be the one deciding on Offensive and Defensive systems....got it.....

    @joedawg69 said:

    OK, I can agree with that; but, he needs to pick one guy to decide on the rest of the staff so they all work together for the most part. And Haslam should never again make any decisions on player personnel from draft or free agency.

    Well.....then you are advocating a clean sweep.....fire everybody and start over.......(personally, I cant agree with that yet)....

    And. Im not sure that Haslem had made any personnel decisions on the draft or free agency.....pure speculation there.....

    mohicanM 1 Reply
  • W Westside Steve

    @the-gipper said:

    For this team? Yes.

    Great. So I'll expect you to STFU if there's no improvement.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Great. So I'll expect you to STFU if there's no improvement.

    WSS

    NEVER!

  • Oh bullshit mud. Don't you want Jimmy to fire a big bunch of guys? Or and don't you want Jimmy to keep some guys whose performance really sucks? What football guy is making those decisions? Please.

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
  • W Westside Steve

    Oh bullshit mud. Don't you want Jimmy to fire a big bunch of guys? Or and don't you want Jimmy to keep some guys whose performance really sucks? What football guy is making those decisions? Please.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Oh bullshit mud. Don't you want Jimmy to fire a big bunch of guys? Or and don't you want Jimmy to keep some guys whose performance really sucks? What football guy is making those decisions? Please.

    WSS

    No....I positively dont want Jimmy to fire a big bunch of guys....In fact, Ive been one of the loudest voices to maintain the status quo for another year.....

    And, yes.....I do want Jimmy to maintain the current staff, if thats what you're asking......and w/o getting into a pissing match about it, im not convinced the coaching or drafting is as bad as some here think....Im on the side of not enough developed and difference making talent....but would let this staff have more than 2 years to make it work and let the new guys get some experience.....

    And what football guy is making what decisions?....dont really understand the question.......but Id say Farmer is making the personnel decisions and Pettine is making the coaching & systems decisions.....

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