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  • So if you look at the record, logically wanted Mike P fired weeks ago?

    Not accusing you or tour but there are plenty of the guys here that hated him off the bat who now say they were in his corner until he proved them wrong. Of course a lot of guys claim that they predicted a lot of shit a long time ago.

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    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
  • J joedawg69

    Yep, once again I agree with you. If we could just go back in time and get Carr; but, alas that is not going to happen. Anyway, like to read your posts because they are insightful and make sense.

    @joedawg69 said:

    Yep, once again I agree with you. If we could just go back in time and get Carr; but, alas that is not going to happen. Anyway, like to read your posts because they are insightful and make sense.

    I'm assuming you aren't talking to me.

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    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @westside-steve said:

    Yes mud, a lot of these fans deserve the finger. You .... border on haters but you guys aren't that bad.

    Cant speak for Tour.....and admit Im no longer a Johnny fan.....but definitely not a hater....

    I got right on board when he was drafted and then sat on the edge of my seat waiting for something great to happen....

    And it hasnt happened....(though, many of my initial concerns HAVE been proven to be true....so far.....)

    Im just willing to call a spade a spade, when I see one.....and, to me, Johnny is just that.....still time to prove me wrong though....

    @mudfly said:

    Cant speak for Tour.....and admit Im no longer a Johnny fan.....but definitely not a hater....

    I got right on board when he was drafted and then sat on the edge of my seat waiting for something great to happen....

    And it hasnt happened....(though, many of my initial concerns HAVE been proven to be true....so far.....)

    Im just willing to call a spade a spade, when I see one.....and, to me, Johnny is just that.....still time to prove me wrong though....

    I have been the most vocal this week and I'm certainly not a hater, so I am not sure who he is referring too.

    I had Johnny pegged as the best prospect in his draft. I didn't want him with our first pick because we were picking too high for his risk at 4 (or 😎 for my money, but I had no problem getting him where we did.

    Then I saw the first season. Was terrible when he finally played. Was unprepared and unfocused, as he admitted, and the first year was a complete waste. Then he misses a treatment at the end of the year because he's partying, and you just shake your head about him being a franchise QB.

    Despite that, I wiped the slate clean and was ready to root him on in 2015. Was encouraged he was owning up to things and was going to rehab. Then I saw his second season. Unable to beat out McCown, and it wasn't close. Played poorly in opener, but then came back the next week to beat the Titans and I was encouraged. And then the distractions start again ... obviously those three months in rehab were wasted, he could have been working on his QB skills, because he was drinking again. Ok ... I can live with the drinking ... let's see what he can do. Then the video, lying about the video, asking people to lie about the video ... sigh. Still not taking on the responsibility of a starting NFL QB. Then he plays, and it's not that good. He gives 100% effort on Sundays. But his footwork is horrible, he doesn't follow his progressions, he's not accurate, he's not disciplined, he's inconsistent, and our offense scored about a TD per game less when he starts. 13 out of 32 last week when we needed a passer down the stretch. I like his effort, but he is so fundamentally off, that either the coaching is not taking, his off-the-field work is not enough, or he simply lacks key NFL skills.

    Those are NOT good signs at the end of year two.

    So I am in favor of bringing in another prospect and seeing what we can get for Johnny. I wish the best for him, but I think he is done in Cleveland. It just didn't happen. In my mind he has not been dedicated enough to the Cleveland Browns. That's my opinion. I don't hate Johnny. I like him. I love to party too. I like that he gives his all on Sunday.

    But I've determined he's not good enough for the Browns. Maybe I'm wrong. But it doesn't make me a hater. It makes me a guy with an opinion ... Who wants the best for the Browns.

    Zombo

  • Actually Westside, you both made good points; but, I think mud is saying we would not have had to use another offense if we had 3 similar QBs and the Cinn game would not have been so bad. At least that is how I read it; I could be wrong.

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  • So, anyone heard who will be starting this week then? Maybe Shane Falco is available 😉.

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  • J joedawg69

    So, anyone heard who will be starting this week then? Maybe Shane Falco is available 😉.

    @joedawg69 said:

    So, anyone heard who will be starting this week then? Maybe Shane Falco is available 😉.

    Austin Davis. Pryor get reps as his backup.

    Zombo

  • J joedawg69

    So, anyone heard who will be starting this week then? Maybe Shane Falco is available 😉.

    @joedawg69 said:

    So, anyone heard who will be starting this week then? Maybe Shane Falco is available 😉.

    OSU homer.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride

  • Austin Davis is basically Tom Brady anyway

  • LOL, funny pulls out. OK, how about Adam Sandler's guy from the remake?.

  • J joedawg69

    LOL, funny pulls out. OK, how about Adam Sandler's guy from the remake?.

    @joedawg69 said:

    LOL, funny pulls out. OK, how about Adam Sandler's guy from the remake?.

    Too many off the field issues.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride

  • There goes the season down the toilet.

    "We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever.
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  • Does this seem fishy to anyone else?

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
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  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    Does this seem fishy to anyone else?

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Does this seem fishy to anyone else?

    After his latest (albeit harmless) party video? That's what i was thinking too. As much as I don't like John the person, this video is a non-story to me, but I can see Pet thinking otherwise.

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  • Yes! He has a concussion just in time so Pettine doesn't have to bench him again for his latest video. This way they avoid more controversy on a 3 win team going backwards.

    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!

  • Pettine already cleared him on the video. Said he was at home on a day off. But that he would talk to him re the judgment of posting it.

    Took some hard hits on Sunday, especially the sideline one.

    Z

  • He was riding his hoverboard around and hit his head on the dining room table. I thought those things had a minimum height requirement to avoid that. Also the hb was a Christmas gift from his father for toning down the drinking

  • T TexasAg1969

    I totally agree with his off the field immature jackassery. But on the field and in practice/preparation all his teammates and coaches are pleased with the changes and leadership in the huddle. Is he worth the tradeoff?

    If there were a clear cut no brainer QB in this draft I would say absolutely not. Or if we make an off season acquisition such as Bradford like you suggested, again nope he isn't worth keeping until he grows up to be a responsible man. Problem is there isn't an easy answer at the moment. McCown isn't it. Too slow and can't keep from getting creamed too often. Shaw? Maybe. Davis? He's a younger McCown without the accuracy.

    Here's a list of the 2016 FA QB's-Osweiler might be worth a shot. Or even Cousins. Both are young and getting better.

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/ufa/quarterback/

    @texasag1969 said:

    But on the field and in practice/preparation all his teammates and coaches are pleased with the changes and leadership in the huddle.

    Ag,

    That is strictly a comparative statement to the 2014 JM you want Mud revise as they are "the initial things he brought last year".

    You can't have it both ways.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • I call BS. Nicer way of benching him..

  • W Westside Steve

    Yes mud, a lot of these fans deserve the finger. You and tour border on haters but you guys aren't that bad. Read some of the shit on this board. If I was from out of town and read that crap I give some of these assholes the finger. I won't mention any names but you know who they are.

    Just the idea that there is all this crying about a complete non issue should give you a clue.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    You and tour border on haters but you guys aren't that bad.

    Certainly suits my borderline personality...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • W Westside Steve

    Then you don't recall correctly mud. I thought it was a stupid idea to put in an entirely new offense for the Cincinnati game. None of the players looked good. None of them.

    Again block and tackle and run and stop the run. Any slight differences between your quarterbacks shouldn't make that much difference.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Any slight differences between your quarterbacks shouldn't make that much difference.

    Problem is that the differences are not "slight" when JM is in the mix.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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