Fail for Cardale revisited.
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I dont have much to add to the whole QB thing....its been a conundrum for me all along.....
But, no matter what we do, Im thinking we need someone who can at least act as good back up immediately. And Im not certain Davis is it.....but well get another look Sunday though....
So.....if the Browns were to cut chase on Johnny....and McCown went down(which is oh so likely to happen)...then a season with Davis scares me.....or a guy like Cardale ftm.....
So....Im more likely to think pick a QB high and prepare him for immediate back up duty.....OR.....screw picking one this year and just sign a guy like Bradford....cause I think him and McCown would be a nice 1-2 punch, while Davis continues to learn....
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Would the possibility of drafting 2 qbs be an option? I understand that we need a lot of help, but would mccown starting next year and cardale and say Goff always competing for the backup spot all year be a positive going forward? Seeing that we constantly use 3 qbs during the season anyways. Hell keep Davis too. Lol
Well....thats the question.....in a league that usually likes to have 2 QB's on the roster, we just finished a season with 3........and now we have 4 guys under contract......and potentially a 5th coming in?....some are gonna have to go NOW, to make room......cause 4 or 5 guys getting reps at camp would be a freaking mess.....
So......count Shaw as gone already(ok)?......and, Id say, if we draft one, its gotta be Johnny who's gone to make room.....
Cause I dont see them cutting McCown(no way).....and they "just" signed Davis to 2 years guaranteed....(so he stays too)...
Room for one more.....(draft pick or Johnny)
Based our track record I suggest we take one in every round and hope for the blind squirrel effect.
Thats my plan for linebacker......draft 5 of them......we need em all!
Don't see Davis or Shaw (or JM) as the future, but short-term we can draft a developmental QB, spend 2016 on him and repeat with a new prospect, if necessary, in 2017.
Thats my plan for linebacker......draft 5 of them......we need em all!
With underclass declarations still pending, the issue I have is ID'ing 5 LBs I think improve us. Really warming to Ragland and like Perry, but beyond that??? Maybe the Utah St. OLB Fackrell?
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Well....thats the question.....in a league that usually likes to have 2 QB's on the roster, we just finished a season with 3........and now we have 4 guys under contract......and potentially a 5th coming in?....some are gonna have to go NOW, to make room......cause 4 or 5 guys getting reps at camp would be a freaking mess.....
So......count Shaw as gone already(ok)?......and, Id say, if we draft one, its gotta be Johnny who's gone to make room.....
Cause I dont see them cutting McCown(no way).....and they "just" signed Davis to 2 years guaranteed....(so he stays too)...
Room for one more.....(draft pick or Johnny)
Thats my plan for linebacker......draft 5 of them......we need em all!
LOL on the LB's too Mud. But I think you are right on the QB situation. I think the comments on JM's off the field problems needing addressing by Pettine this week either has him going back into some serious rehab with serious follow up or he's a goner from the Browns either by trade or by cutting. He has not shown yet that he gets his "alleged" alcohol problem at all. The fact hat his coaches other players think he is very talented (despite this board) is the only reason he isn't gone already.
LOL on the LB's too Mud. But I think you are right on the QB situation. I think the comments on JM's off the field problems needing addressing by Pettine this week either has him going back into some serious rehab with serious follow up or he's a goner from the Browns either by trade or by cutting. He has not shown yet that he gets his "alleged" alcohol problem at all. The fact hat his coaches other players think he is very talented (despite this board) is the only reason he isn't gone already.
Ag, with the last selfie, I think Johnny has finally worn out his welcome in Cleveland. For sure- it's back to rehab. For sure, the Browns can't count on him as their future. He's heading down a Justin Blackmon road of no return fast.
Cardale is a good late 4th or later pick if you see nothing better to see if you can catch lightning in a bottle. To draft him as a viable starting QB in 2016 is insane given all the other needs this team has.
He's a project with a capital P.
Depends where the compensatory picks fall. If Jones is getting his degree, it means he isn't totally stupid, even if his degree is in basket weaving.
Um, on the football side, he's got all the measurables you would want. It will depend on how he does with the chalk talk, and Wunderlich. If he aces those, I could see him going as high as the second round. If he's there in the third, MHO I tell the Browns to pull the trigger.
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Cardale Jones Career stats : 23 games played 167 comp 270 att 61.9% 2323 yards 8.6 yd avg. 15 td 7 int sacked 18 times for a loss of 119 yards. Rushing: 153 attempts for 617 yards 4 rushing Touchdowns 4.0 ypc avg.
so are you really going to tell me that you want to draft this guy with a top of the third a top 75 player in college football for the 2016 draft. a guy with less than 3000 career yards and 20 touchdowns
do you even realize how ridiculous you sound? for perspective Jared Goff has thrown for more yards in each of his 3 seasons than Cardale has had FROM SCRIMMAGE his entire career. Ridiculous complete homerism at its finest -
Cardale Jones Career stats : 23 games played 167 comp 270 att 61.9% 2323 yards 8.6 yd avg. 15 td 7 int sacked 18 times for a loss of 119 yards. Rushing: 153 attempts for 617 yards 4 rushing Touchdowns 4.0 ypc avg.
so are you really going to tell me that you want to draft this guy with a top of the third a top 75 player in college football for the 2016 draft. a guy with less than 3000 career yards and 20 touchdowns
do you even realize how ridiculous you sound? for perspective Jared Goff has thrown for more yards in each of his 3 seasons than Cardale has had FROM SCRIMMAGE his entire career. Ridiculous complete homerism at its finestCardale Jones Career stats : 23 games played 167 comp 270 att 61.9% 2323 yards 8.6 yd avg. 15 td 7 int sacked 18 times for a loss of 119 yards. Rushing: 153 attempts for 617 yards 4 rushing Touchdowns 4.0 ypc avg.
so are you really going to tell me that you want to draft this guy with a top of the third a top 75 player in college football for the 2016 draft. a guy with less than 3000 career yards and 20 touchdowns
do you even realize how ridiculous you sound? for perspective Jared Goff has thrown for more yards in each of his 3 seasons than Cardale has had FROM SCRIMMAGE his entire career. Ridiculous complete homerism at its finest
Did you seriously just compare a guy with 270 career attempts to a guy who's a three year started?
I just want to make sure that is what you're trying to say before I call you out on how that is the absolute dumbest fucking thing I've ever read.
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I believe Cardale's success came from using a limited playbook due to being thrust into action, when handed the entire playbook this season it proved to be too much for him to handle. I don't believe he will be able to handle an NFL playbook. Has all the tools except the mentality it takes to be an NFL QB.
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You realise your asking us to draft a qb with 270 career attempts? Thanks for validation lol
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You realise your asking us to draft a qb with 270 career attempts? Thanks for validation lol
You realise your asking us to draft a qb with 270 career attempts? Thanks for validation lol
You realize that the staying power of NFL draft picks drops significantly after the third round? You realize that only 5-8% of fourth round picks earn and maintain starting jobs, compared to about 25-30% of third rounders? You realize that, despite how much you don't like Jones, he's excelled on the biggest stage in college football - something no other QB prospect has done in this draft.
A QB needy team spending a fourth round pick on a 6'5" national champion QB is a no-fucking-brainer, regardless of his number of completions or relative inexperience. The potential benefit far outweighs the risk.
But I do see your point. Taking a flier on Cardale would be detrimental to us, because we could be missing out on guys like:
Vince Mayle
Pierre Desir
James Michael-Johnson
Owen Marecic
Kaluka Maiava
Beau Bell
Martin Rucker
Isaac Sowells
Leon Williams
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I'd prefer Wentz to Cardale and you'll be hard pressed to find a Buckeye as devout as myself.
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I'd prefer Wentz to Cardale and you'll be hard pressed to find a Buckeye as devout as myself.
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Wentz/cook/Kessler/Dak/Hogan/Hackenberg/lynch/Goff/Sudfield.... if all of those QB's are gone take cardale but not before then. Also the logic you are using is that because it is unlikely to work out anyway fuck it get the big guy who has shown he can hand it to zeke real good?
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Because we need 6 qbs on roster? Mccown,manziel,shaw,davis,wentz,jones?
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Because we need 6 qbs on roster? Mccown,manziel,shaw,davis,wentz,jones?
Because we need 6 qbs on roster? Mccown,manziel,shaw,davis,wentz,jones?
No. That's why I said trade Manziel, release Shaw and Davis.
Your reading comprehension is fantastic.
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Wentz/cook/Kessler/Dak/Hogan/Hackenberg/lynch/Goff/Sudfield.... if all of those QB's are gone take cardale but not before then. Also the logic you are using is that because it is unlikely to work out anyway fuck it get the big guy who has shown he can hand it to zeke real good?
Wentz/cook/Kessler/Dak/Hogan/Hackenberg/lynch/Goff/Sudfield.... if all of those QB's are gone take cardale but not before then. Also the logic you are using is that because it is unlikely to work out anyway fuck it get the big guy who has shown he can hand it to zeke real good?
No, my reasoning is more like "take a flier on the guy who has perfect measurables, a cannon arm, a national championship, and who passed for over 240 yards against Wisconsin, Alabama and Oregon each." There's at least a proof of concept there - as a project QB, that's more than most.
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Wentz/cook/Kessler/Dak/Hogan/Hackenberg/lynch/Goff/Sudfield.... if all of those QB's are gone take cardale but not before then. Also the logic you are using is that because it is unlikely to work out anyway fuck it get the big guy who has shown he can hand it to zeke real good?
No, my reasoning is more like "take a flier on the guy who has perfect measurables, a cannon arm, a national championship, and who passed for over 240 yards against Wisconsin, Alabama and Oregon each." There's at least a proof of concept there - as a project QB, that's more than most.
No, my reasoning is more like "take a flier on the guy who has perfect measurables, a cannon arm, a national championship, and who passed for over 240 yards against Wisconsin, Alabama and Oregon each." There's at least a proof of concept there - as a project QB, that's more than most.
In the 4th I'm completely in agreement. I could be talked into taking him in the 3rd...but I prefer the 4th.
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Somebody will waste a pick i really hope it isn't us.
Somebody will waste a pick i really hope it isn't us.
You're missing the point. If its a pick in the 4th round, is it really a waste? He probably won't pan out...but neither no 95% of other 4th round picks.
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EVERY pick has potential franchise changing implications Especially at QB. We reap what we sow here and i can't think of a better waste than drafting on size and what 4 goodish games? Some of the worst decision making i have seen at an osu qb and thats the guy your enamored with. Lol i hope the FO don't think this way
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EVERY pick has potential franchise changing implications Especially at QB. We reap what we sow here and i can't think of a better waste than drafting on size and what 4 goodish games? Some of the worst decision making i have seen at an osu qb and thats the guy your enamored with. Lol i hope the FO don't think this way
EVERY pick has potential franchise changing implications Especially at QB. We reap what we sow here and i can't think of a better waste than drafting on size and what 4 goodish games? Some of the worst decision making i have seen at an osu qb and thats the guy your enamored with. Lol i hope the FO don't think this way
Those four goodish games led to a national championship and he's what? 12-0 as the starting qb for osu. Don't forget about that.
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It's pretty clear i'm not going to change anyones mind with relevant facts so let's agree to disagree.
Just to point out ZERO QB's recruited by urban meyer have succeeded at the nfl level.
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