Farmer and Pettine both fired. Official
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Pettine is gone, sure as shit.
Farmer is gone also.
Get an experienced coach who's been in the playoffs. Someone under the radar. Like Arians.
Get a GM that's had some success.
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I feel if you fire Farmer, you gotta fire Pett and let the new football guy start with a head coach that he handpicks. I think the missing bit of info is what Farmer's organization is like. If he has just made some bad draft picks but has set up a good system, then give him another year. If there is disfunction throughout, everyone goes.
Z
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Yeah but you didn't answer my question. Do you think Pettine is the long term answer?
If we're keeping Pettine, i'd ship Johnny and Gordon to Jerry for a 2nd rounder.
Gordon has stood up for Johnny all season, and i doubt he'd want to "play" for pettine.
he seems more of like a randy moss play when you want to play type of player anyway.
Yeah but you didn't answer my question. Do you think Pettine is the long term answer?
If we're keeping Pettine, i'd ship Johnny and Gordon to Jerry for a 2nd rounder.
I did answer the question. The question was if i was Jimmy, what would I do. I think if Pettine stays, Johnny is gone.
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Pettine is gone, sure as shit.
Farmer is gone also.
Get an experienced coach who's been in the playoffs. Someone under the radar. Like Arians.
Get a GM that's had some success.
One Post From the Truth said:
Pettine is gone, sure as shit.
Farmer is gone also.
Get an experienced coach who's been in the playoffs. Someone under the radar. Like Arians.
Get a GM that's had some success.
Because coaches and GM's that have been to the playoffs and have had success other places grow on trees and are easy to find.
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If I owned this team, and increased my investment the way Jimmy has, I would go after whoever is at the top of my list
Give him $15 million a year and tell him you have COMPLETE control.
If you want to coach, so be it, if you want to hire a coach, so be it.
Just fix this CRAP!!!!!!!
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
You can't fire Pettine and here's why....the new GM isn't going to find anyone better to replace him. Period. We know this. You can get Elliot Wolf that's fine, but just because he becomes our GM doesn't mean we're gonna have elite level coaches banging down the door to come coach here. We know this. If this clown show continues, we can maybe get away with firing Pettine next year. We fire another coach after 2 years and it's over. Cleveland fans really need to wake up to that fact. No one is coming here that's worth a shit. We'll be rolling the dice again on some unproven coach who's coming here as mostly an audition for a job in some other organization. I'm not some huge Pettine fan, i have some real issues with our defense was handled this year and that is on him...he's a defense guy. And the fact that it's coming out that Gilbert was his pick. He's got one more year to show improvement in that defense.
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You can't fire Pettine and here's why....the new GM isn't going to find anyone better to replace him. Period. We know this. You can get Elliot Wolf that's fine, but just because he becomes our GM doesn't mean we're gonna have elite level coaches banging down the door to come coach here. We know this. If this clown show continues, we can maybe get away with firing Pettine next year. We fire another coach after 2 years and it's over. Cleveland fans really need to wake up to that fact. No one is coming here that's worth a shit. We'll be rolling the dice again on some unproven coach who's coming here as mostly an audition for a job in some other organization. I'm not some huge Pettine fan, i have some real issues with our defense was handled this year and that is on him...he's a defense guy. And the fact that it's coming out that Gilbert was his pick. He's got one more year to show improvement in that defense.
You can't fire Pettine and here's why....the new GM isn't going to find anyone better to replace him. Period. We know this. You can get Elliot Wolf that's fine, but just because he becomes our GM doesn't mean we're gonna have elite level coaches banging down the door to come coach here. We know this. If this clown show continues, we can maybe get away with firing Pettine next year. We fire another coach after 2 years and it's over. Cleveland fans really need to wake up to that fact. No one is coming here that's worth a shit. We'll be rolling the dice again on some unproven coach who's coming here as mostly an audition for a job in some other organization. I'm not some huge Pettine fan, i have some real issues with our defense was handled this year and that is on him...he's a defense guy. And the fact that it's coming out that Gilbert was his pick. He's got one more year to show improvement in that defense.
You underestimate the lure of cash.....
If Jimmy puts out the money, we can get anyone he wants
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This is a hard one. For me, it depends on what other coaches are available before I fire Pet. Farmer is easier, I fire him. Someone has to be held accountable for this 3-13 dumpster fire, and Ray and his phone get the boot. Now if the Colts are dumb enough to fire Pagano, then I also fire Pet and target Pags.
I like Pet the man, but I haven't seen enough improvement to hand him the keys again if there is a proven coach that I can replace him with....... If however there isn't that proven coach, then I keep him as making a lateral move just for the sake of making a move would set us back even further.
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This is a hard one. For me, it depends on what other coaches are available before I fire Pet. Farmer is easier, I fire him. Someone has to be held accountable for this 3-13 dumpster fire, and Ray and his phone get the boot. Now if the Colts are dumb enough to fire Pagano, then I also fire Pet and target Pags.
I like Pet the man, but I haven't seen enough improvement to hand him the keys again if there is a proven coach that I can replace him with....... If however there isn't that proven coach, then I keep him as making a lateral move just for the sake of making a move would set us back even further.
This is a hard one. For me, it depends on what other coaches are available before I fire Pet. Farmer is easier, I fire him. Someone has to be held accountable for this 3-13 dumpster fire, and Ray and his phone get the boot. Now if the Colts are dumb enough to fire Pagano, then I also fire Pet and target Pags.
I like Pet the man, but I haven't seen enough improvement to hand him the keys again if there is a proven coach that I can replace him with....... If there isn't that proven coach, then I keep him as making a lateral move just for the sake of making a move would set us back even further.
Are we really sure Pagano is that great of a coach? He "lucked" into a franchise QB and Arians coached that team for most of his first year anyways. I know he's won more games than Pettine has here...but are we really sure he's a great coach?
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Cash is nice when you sign a three year contract with guaranteed money no matter what shit effort you make.
Weather the storm for a year and walk out with three years pay. That is who will come if pettine is gone.
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If were me-- GM Scott Piolli HC Hugh Jackson DC Mike Singleterry OC Don't see Flip but maybe?...... Haslem & his street peeps will hire Chip Kelly than follow his insanity with his pick of JM. Football Gods Hate Cleveland!! Pound them F'in Pancakes Boys!! Again if Farmer goes the only GM candidate if he is? Is Bryan Billick that may keep Pet a job. If Wolfe Pet is gone.
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This is a hard one. For me, it depends on what other coaches are available before I fire Pet. Farmer is easier, I fire him. Someone has to be held accountable for this 3-13 dumpster fire, and Ray and his phone get the boot. Now if the Colts are dumb enough to fire Pagano, then I also fire Pet and target Pags.
I like Pet the man, but I haven't seen enough improvement to hand him the keys again if there is a proven coach that I can replace him with....... If there isn't that proven coach, then I keep him as making a lateral move just for the sake of making a move would set us back even further.
Are we really sure Pagano is that great of a coach? He "lucked" into a franchise QB and Arians coached that team for most of his first year anyways. I know he's won more games than Pettine has here...but are we really sure he's a great coach?
Are we really sure Pagano is that great of a coach? He "lucked" into a franchise QB and Arians coached that team for most of his first year anyways. I know he's won more games than Pettine has here...but are we really sure he's a great coach?
How many great coaches had crap QB's?
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
Cash is nice when you sign a three year contract with guaranteed money no matter what shit effort you make.
Weather the storm for a year and walk out with three years pay. That is who will come if pettine is gone.
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One Post From the Truth said:
Pettine is gone, sure as shit.
Farmer is gone also.
Get an experienced coach who's been in the playoffs. Someone under the radar. Like Arians.
Get a GM that's had some success.
Because coaches and GM's that have been to the playoffs and have had success other places grow on trees and are easy to find.
Rod Graves might be available. I believe Pagano will be also.Because coaches and GM's that have been to the playoffs and have had success other places grow on trees and are easy to find.
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If we fire .. We will get the 8th best candidate.
Our takent level is low,we have no qb, and Jimmy will have fired 3 coaches in 4 offseasons ... we will be last choice.
Z
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One Post From the Truth said:
Rod Graves might be available. I believe Pagano will be also.
Rod Graves I've never heard of. Pagano...definitely has had success in Indy. Just looked him up..didn't realize that he was a coach with the Browns with Butch.
Rod Graves was the GM when the Cards went to SB in '08. He's got an eye for talent. He lost his job when he couldn't land P. Manning in Az. No one knows too much other than Coach Whiz and him were shit canned.Rod Graves I've never heard of. Pagano...definitely has had success in Indy. Just looked him up..didn't realize that he was a coach with the Browns with Butch.
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If we fire .. We will get the 8th best candidate.
Our takent level is low,we have no qb, and Jimmy will have fired 3 coaches in 4 offseasons ... we will be last choice.
Z
Zombo said:
If we fire .. We will get the 8th best candidate.
Our takent level is low,we have no qb, and Jimmy will have fired 3 coaches in 4 offseasons ... we will be last choice.
Z
This is why Jimmy needs to open the wallet and pay
We can get a Gruden, Cowher, Parcells, Gibbs, type guy
Just pay the money
It isn't our money, and the team is worth Almost DOUBLE what Jimmy paid for it.
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If we fire .. We will get the 8th best candidate.
Our takent level is low,we have no qb, and Jimmy will have fired 3 coaches in 4 offseasons ... we will be last choice.
Z
Zombo said:
If we fire .. We will get the 8th best candidate.
Our takent level is low,we have no qb, and Jimmy will have fired 3 coaches in 4 offseasons ... we will be last choice.
Z
Unfortunately that is reality. So away with Farmer and O'Neil.
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